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Originally posted by WINiner:
Just because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he's ready to run the offense. Kyles offense is notoriously difficult to fully grasp. NFL MVP's have taken a season+ to figure it our and get comfortable. There is little chance that starting Trey would have benefitted imo and I agree is a good way to make your rookie hear ghost steps for the rest of his career. He sat just as he should have. Now today, in light of Jimmy injury, I am 100% on Trey starting the rest of the way.

And if he comes out and lays an egg, would you then think maybe getting reps for 8 months running the offense might have benefited him?
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Sadly it's gonna be the Jimmy homers, if most don't leave with him, who are gonna be the ones over critical of what would basically be his rookie year.

Jimmy has been in the league for 8 years and got his FQB contract. If you can't see why people are critical of Jimmy, then I really don't know what to say bc obviously nothing will change your mind when it comes to him.

4 years of Jimmy was on the bench. He's basically a 4 year player.
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Originally posted by WINiner:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by Niners99:
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

Why do you continue this narrative when Kyle himself said IN TRAINING CAMP, and again in season that Trey knows the playbook.

There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

Let the kid walk.

Just because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he's ready to run the offense. Kyles offense is notoriously difficult to fully grasp. NFL MVP's have taken a season+ to figure it our and get comfortable. There is little chance that starting Trey would have benefitted imo and I agree is a good way to make your rookie hear ghost steps for the rest of his career. He sat just as he should have. Now today, in light of Jimmy injury, I am 100% on Trey starting the rest of the way.

Exactly! I know the niners playbook in madden like the back of my hand, but I still get my ass kicked online.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Just because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he's ready to run the offense. Kyles offense is notoriously difficult to fully grasp. NFL MVP's have taken a season+ to figure it our and get comfortable. There is little chance that starting Trey would have benefitted imo and I agree is a good way to make your rookie hear ghost steps for the rest of his career. He sat just as he should have. Now today, in light of Jimmy injury, I am 100% on Trey starting the rest of the way.

And if he comes out and lays an egg, would you then think maybe getting reps for 8 months running the offense might have benefited him?

I tend to agree with you NY, but let's not front load Trey with excuses if he fails his second start. I think he will do well, but in case he doesn't we have to assess why. He may fail because of Kyles play calling, poor run game, bad oline play, etc. It may not be because he's a rookie.

Or he may kick ass and we all have a big sigh of relief
Originally posted by hummbabybear:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Well no s**t


I have a hard time taking the word of someone named "Jack Hammer" seriously. Maybe he should change his name to "Howitzer Kaboom."

LOL. Golden and some love them some Jack Hammer.
So Kyle passed on Tom Brady and he's now effectively passing on Aaron Rodgers by trading so many picks for Trey.

I really, really, really hope the kid can play. At least show us something for the future.

We can't afford to bust on this pick after passing on 2 all-time greats.

Kyle the GM is about the get a plane flying over Levi's saying that him and the GM should "respectfully part ways".
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by WINiner:
Just because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he's ready to run the offense. Kyles offense is notoriously difficult to fully grasp. NFL MVP's have taken a season+ to figure it our and get comfortable. There is little chance that starting Trey would have benefitted imo and I agree is a good way to make your rookie hear ghost steps for the rest of his career. He sat just as he should have. Now today, in light of Jimmy injury, I am 100% on Trey starting the rest of the way.

And if he comes out and lays an egg, would you then think maybe getting reps for 8 months running the offense might have benefited him?

I think most people can agree with the premise you've been pounding about getting better by playing.

But ultimately, especially at the quarterback position, there's no one size fits all answer. Depends on the player and the person.

Knowing the playbook and having it memorized and in your head is great. Executing it in practice while wearing a "can't hit me jersey" is cool.

Doing it week in and week out at full speed with angry pass rushers who can and will hit you is something else.

Some guys, especially if they're struggling, they let that set their development back in the wrong direction. Some guys overcome it.

Trey seems like the type of kid, from what we're told anyway, can probably overcome it. But there, at least imo, indeed at that position is no "playing them makes every single one of them better". Especially, my gosh, how much crap has an "8 year veteran" taken from this fan base and the media because he plays the most visible and important position on the field and has warts in his game?

Doing that, some will wind up flourishing when it's all said and done. Some will wind up crashing and burning out of the league in short order.

In any event, we know what Kyle has done.
Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Sadly it's gonna be the Jimmy homers, if most don't leave with him, who are gonna be the ones over critical of what would basically be his rookie year.

Jimmy has been in the league for 8 years and got his FQB contract. If you can't see why people are critical of Jimmy, then I really don't know what to say bc obviously nothing will change your mind when it comes to him.

4 years of Jimmy was on the bench. He's basically a 4 year player.

Yet you're one of the people wanting to keep Jimmy and sit Trey 2 years!!!!!!
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Why do you continue this narrative when Kyle himself said IN TRAINING CAMP, and again in season that Trey knows the playbook.

There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

Let the kid walk.

lol actions speak louder than words. If Trey knew the entire playbook Shanahan wouldn't have called so many designed QB runs. He was making due with what he had in Lance early on. Are you naive enough to think Trey Lance learned that entire complicated playbook in camp? Please.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
So Kyle passed on Tom Brady and he's now effectively passing on Aaron Rodgers by trading so many picks for Trey.

I really, really, really hope the kid can play. At least show us something for the future.

We can't afford to bust on this pick after passing on 2 all-time greats.

Kyle the GM is about the get a plane flying over Levi's saying that him and the GM should "respectfully part ways".

It's cool to say he passed on Tom Brady in hindsight and I mean he did. But there was logic to it. Brady is/was 40 plus and no matter how much longer he said he wanted to play, that is/was an unknown and quite honestly he looked pretty meh his last year in New England. He had next to nothing around him and that was the biggest part of it but he looked pretty meh.

One had to look and I'm sure they looked at it too as was it worth dumping or demoting a player loved in the locker room to maybe satisfy the instant gratification crowd in the fan base and their own instant gratification? And what kind of message are you sending to any future free agents who might be interested? "Yeah, we'll sign you to a long term contract but if you're less than perfect and someone who is a Hall of Famer is interested, good bye." I mean, I get it's a business and results are paramount but you're maybe hurting how you're viewed by players around the league too.

Personally, I would have I guess had to bite my tongue and root for the trashy douchebag if he was here. Because that's what I think he is. Don't know him, don't know what he does in his personal life. But I think the model wife and the prim and proper attitude with the media is all a facade. Whined and pointed fingers and threw teammates under the bus during games his last year in New England. Whines and runs off the field ASAP after losing a game if he thinks the other team's quarterback is far beneath him. My dad pointed out that when they recently lost to the Saints they were stopped on downs or stopped and forced to punt and he literally ran over to the Saints sideline and screamed "FU" at one of the coaches. So yeah, he's a trash person as far as I'm concerned. But hey, he's one of the all time greats at the position. Not arguing that.

Rodgers, who knows. I don't think Aaron Rodgers knows. Before the year started he almost certainly wanted out of Green Bay. Now, with the #1 overall seed today and a win Christmas Day he was waxing poetically about how he was essentially the most fortunate man on earth to get to play for the Green Bay Packers. The reality at any rate is barring a Deshaun Watson type rift, and the Texans still did not want to trade him or part ways with him until all the allegations came out, the Packers probably are not looking to trade/let Aaron leave until he retires.
The reason I have so much faith in Trey has absolutely nothing to do with his talent, it's also the reason that besides keeping us in the playoff hunt his play in this game just doesn't matter.

You can tell by hearing him talk, and by hearing people talk about him, that he has the drive and determination to be great.

Add that to his reported acumen, and if he was half as talented he would have a shot.

He simply needs time, no one will know how much, but when it's enough, we'll all know.
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
The reason I have so much faith in Trey has absolutely nothing to do with his talent, it's also the reason that besides keeping us in the playoff hunt his play in this game just doesn't matter.

You can tell by hearing him talk, and by hearing people talk about him, that he has the drive and determination to be great.

Add that to his reported acumen, and if he was half as talented he would have a shot.

He simply needs time, no one will know how much, but when it's enough, we'll all know.

I'd agree by all accounts he has the right mentality to be successful.

Now the thing is, just like everything else, no one is going to say publicly, "This kid is a lazy idiot".

But it seems that he does have the drive, intelligence, and mentality to be successful.
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
So Kyle passed on Tom Brady and he's now effectively passing on Aaron Rodgers by trading so many picks for Trey.

I really, really, really hope the kid can play. At least show us something for the future.

We can't afford to bust on this pick after passing on 2 all-time greats.

Kyle the GM is about the get a plane flying over Levi's saying that him and the GM should "respectfully part ways".

Everyone thought Brady was washed and Aaron Rodgers hasn't been and may never even be available to trade for.
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
So Kyle passed on Tom Brady and he's now effectively passing on Aaron Rodgers by trading so many picks for Trey.

I really, really, really hope the kid can play. At least show us something for the future.

We can't afford to bust on this pick after passing on 2 all-time greats.

Kyle the GM is about the get a plane flying over Levi's saying that him and the GM should "respectfully part ways".

Everyone thought Brady was washed and Aaron Rodgers hasn't been and may never even be available to trade for.

Rodgers was definitely never available, and Brady looked like crap after 2019. Two incredibly dumb hindsight narratives that crybaby fans love to latch on to.
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