Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
What are realistic expectations for Lance? He hasn't even played in garbage time in the past month or two. He's apparently "lighting up" the defense during practice, but that's all team-speak. I expect there to be some QB runs, but I do think it won't be at the level of the ARI game.

My guess:
55% comp. 215 yds 1 TD 1 INT 30 yd rushing 1 TD

I'm just hoping Kyle doesn't run him into the ground again if he starts.

I'm just hoping we're not facing an undefeated Cardinals team w/ Chandler Jones and JJ Watt rushing a 1st time starter again.

I've gone back and watched all of Lance's snaps this season, and I think my estimate seems reasonable, if even conservative. And since Jimmy hasn't "held a football" since Thursday (according to MM), I'd say it's very likely to be Lance.

I've been a big proponent in starting Lance from day one and cutting Jimmy (just getting my bias out of the way). I think we'd probably have a similar record at this point, but that's irrelevant now. The question is can Lance win on Sunday. Because a win on Sunday and one other outcome (wk 18 win, Saints loss in wk 17 or 18, or Eagles loss in wk 17 or 18) puts us in. I've seen one estimate put it out there that we'd have a 94% chance of making the playoffs with a win. Could be higher because the Eagles and Saints play before us. Lance could be playing to clinch a playoff birth.

We win if:
- 30+ runs
- turnover margin of (-1) or better
- limit Texans to <100 rushing

We need Lance to be game manager here, not Mahomes. We obviously want that for the future (and potentially even next week), but for this week, we need Alex Smith.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So kittle and Warner now coming out saying Trey was using his legs and not trusting his arms, he's matured blah blah blah.

I have no problem with that happening earlier in the year

My problem was the news coming out from beat reporters and players earlier in the year saying how far along trey was and how great he was looking. It gave everyone false expectations of Trey when he did play. I now know I can't trust anyone with any player assessment. I'll just watch the game myself.

So you were ok with them telling us how great Jimmy looked and how this was his best TC EVER and then was absolutely buttcheeks for most of the first half of the season not being able to score in the fast half of multiple games? But now you lose faith in them?

Wtf are you even bringing Jimmy I to this conversation for.

This is about how we had higher expectations of Trey based on what they fed us. Calm down.

Im calm. This isn't a Trey vs Jimmy thing. More a, it was clear the reports have been BS all season thing.

I agree. I just refuse to accept anything i read anymore. MM kept saying he's never seen anything as great as Trey in his history of covering nfl. Other reporters saying jimmy looking like a different Jimmy. All crap. I'm just gonna wait until inwatch the games myself to form any opinion

I'd like to read that. Have you got a link?

MM said he's never seen a 49ers rookie QB look this good in his 27 years covering the team.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

We should expect a better version of the Lance we saw in ARI. The real question is how much better. I put a lot of that on Shanahan too, QB runs up the middle aren't a good game plan.

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
I'd like to read that. Have you got a link?

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/8/5/22610655/stats-eggs-matt-maiocco-says-trey-lance-is-the-best-rookie-qb-hes-ever-seen

Originally posted by Niners99:
Totally disagree. Too many great QB's were picked later on in drafts by quality organizations that developed them correctly, and too many busts were picked early by the same dumpster fire organizations who had coaches and GM's on the hot seat trying to rush the savior franchise QB by playing them with a crap roster.

I think situation is MASSIVE in a QB's career trajectory.

Yup, all true. For example I would be worried for Trevor Lawrence. It's like his rookie year diminished his skills. We have seen promising rookie qbs completely s**t their career away after having bad early experiences. I really hope he does well. I would be pissed if I was a jags fan

For trey he came into an incredible situation. Yes everyone is anxious and wants him to play n stuff but we just need to be patient. His time will come. At the end of the day we want the best for the 49ers no matter who is playing. If he goes out and blows the roof off on sunday....my body is ready. But I'm not gonna be mad if he doesnt d well. He is a very raw rookie and havent had much playing time at all. I'm expecting bumps and bruises.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

Where did that come from? I just mentioned what I think are the keys for a rookie QB to not get ruined. I don't know that I gave my opinion on whether or not Trey would be successful, but since you asked, I'll give it. No, I don't think Trey would have been a superstar had he been our starter this year. I wanted him to get as much playing time as pos, as that is the best way to develop a young QB. The situation in SF is ideal for him to play vs other rookie QBs in that this team has the traits I mentioned before that are keys to him being successful.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

We should expect a better version of the Lance we saw in ARI. The real question is how much better. I put a lot of that on Shanahan too, QB runs up the middle aren't a good game plan.

They are if he's untouched for a TD. They aren't when he's stuffed for no gain, and/or we lose the game.

The "runs up the middle" game plan jab is simply lazy posting, at best. He's never been a 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach, yet some are coming out of every crack and crevice to tell us that's not a good game plan.

Tell us what IS a good game plan if you really feel like you know something.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So kittle and Warner now coming out saying Trey was using his legs and not trusting his arms, he's matured blah blah blah.

I have no problem with that happening earlier in the year

My problem was the news coming out from beat reporters and players earlier in the year saying how far along trey was and how great he was looking. It gave everyone false expectations of Trey when he did play. I now know I can't trust anyone with any player assessment. I'll just watch the game myself.

So you were ok with them telling us how great Jimmy looked and how this was his best TC EVER and then was absolutely buttcheeks for most of the first half of the season not being able to score in the fast half of multiple games? But now you lose faith in them?

Wtf are you even bringing Jimmy I to this conversation for.

This is about how we had higher expectations of Trey based on what they fed us. Calm down.

Im calm. This isn't a Trey vs Jimmy thing. More a, it was clear the reports have been BS all season thing.

I agree. I just refuse to accept anything i read anymore. MM kept saying he's never seen anything as great as Trey in his history of covering nfl. Other reporters saying jimmy looking like a different Jimmy. All crap. I'm just gonna wait until inwatch the games myself to form any opinion

I'd like to read that. Have you got a link?

MM said he's never seen a 49ers rookie QB look this good in his 27 years covering the team.

I was hoping to see the article saying he was the best thing Matt had seen in the history of the league. Pretty solid reporter, so that would have been something.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

We should expect a better version of the Lance we saw in ARI. The real question is how much better. I put a lot of that on Shanahan too, QB runs up the middle aren't a good game plan.

They are if he's untouched for a TD. They aren't when he's stuffed for no gain, and/or we lose the game.

The "runs up the middle" game plan jab is simply lazy posting, at best. He's never been a 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach, yet some are coming out of every crack and crevice to tell us that's not a good game plan.

Tell us what IS a good game plan if you really feel like you know something.

Id still like to know how bad his finger was and if that played any part in the high amount of runs.

I just want to see Trey articulate the ball down the field. Don't force the ball into double coverage, just keep the chains moving. Maybe, a couple of passing TD's to Kittle, Deebo and Aiyuk. Good luck, kid - let's get it!

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

Why do you continue this narrative when Kyle himself said IN TRAINING CAMP, and again in season that Trey knows the playbook.

There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

Let the kid walk.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Why do you continue this narrative when Kyle himself said IN TRAINING CAMP, and again in season that Trey knows the playbook.

There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

Let the kid walk.

Yeah there's a difference between knowing the playbook and being able to run the plays affectively, knowing the whys. You only get there by actually running the plays in game over and over.

Originally posted by eastie:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by eastie:
Gonna be funny reading the posts in here after Trey has been QB for a season. He'll get the same crap that JG got from the s called 49er fans here. But when JG got ripped on here we had a prospect in the wings, but we won't have one waiting for Trey to fall from grace. This will be interesting to watch unfold.

Yup, the Trey haters gonna be wild next season. Hopefully he comes out great and shuts them up.

I'm curious to see what excuses will be recycled, and what complaints will be the same as those hurled at JG. There is plenty of room for crossover, both in complaints and for those that jump ship.

Sadly it's gonna be the Jimmy homers, if most don't leave with him, who are gonna be the ones over critical of what would basically be his rookie year.

Jimmy has been in the league for 8 years and got his FQB contract. If you can't see why people are critical of Jimmy, then I really don't know what to say bc obviously nothing will change your mind when it comes to him.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NotAFinga42:
What? No, the key is to have a good team for him to play on. A good offensive line to pass protect and run the ball. A good defense to provide more opportunities and not put the kid in a situation he has to play catch up. A good coach that understands offense and the QBs strengths and weaknesses.

Lance had one season of experience past high school. He wasn't ready. The Arizona game was obvious proof. He only knew half the playbook and had to have a bunch of QB runs called to fill the gaps. You don't just throw a 21 year old kid with 1 season of college experience into a complicated NFL offense and tell him to figure it out on the fly. Thats how kids get sacked and intercepted into bad habits where they get gun-shy and start seeing ghosts in the pocket.

"Nervousness creeps into the unprepared". Confidence stems from being prepared. With a season to prepare, Lance will bring tremendous confidence into being the new starter.

Why do you continue this narrative when Kyle himself said IN TRAINING CAMP, and again in season that Trey knows the playbook.

There's a difference between knowing the path, and walking the path.

Let the kid walk.

Just because he knows the playbook doesn't mean he's ready to run the offense. Kyles offense is notoriously difficult to fully grasp. NFL MVP's have taken a season+ to figure it our and get comfortable. There is little chance that starting Trey would have benefitted imo and I agree is a good way to make your rookie hear ghost steps for the rest of his career. He sat just as he should have. Now today, in light of Jimmy injury, I am 100% on Trey starting the rest of the way.