Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, Mac would have been a decent pick at #12...he went at #15. But at. #3, that was WAY over drafted. So no, at 3 he was a no no.

as for Fields who has terrific talent , i suspect we'll never know but the media had him, Trey , Mac all lumped together ...one week it was one, next week the other, But then one Fri, something must have been released to media or somebody found out. (It was known long before Fields had epilepsy, well controlled), but something huge happened that Fri because by Monday, Fields dropped out of sight, and was reported to be as low as 32nd on the draft board. (He went back up shortly thereafter, obviously)

Only thing i can think of is that a hypothetical leaked/discovered report that a neurologist specializing in epilepsy (epileptologist), did NOT clear Fields and issued a statement that a severe hit to the head would be a serious setback for his epilepsy which has been well controlled to date. At least, that was all i can think of to suddenly find him plummeting to the bottom of the board. What else could have precipitated that? I guess some team (CHI??) could have somehow sent out a bogus report on him, so he would be there at 11 for them, but....either way, once that piece of info was out....Mac was out based on draft position, (12-15) and. Fields had a ding from a possible medical report....that left Lance.

FTR, with all our massive IR and PUP setting negative records last yr and same for games lost by starters, if we had taken Fields I would have been sick,
scared silly that every time he stepped out on the field would be his last. Kyle and John later said that one of the key things in their picks had to be good health. And if Fields had been taken by us and then a helmet hit precipitated his epilepsy, KS/JL would have had egg on their faces and shortened their careers here. The gamble was way, way too high. Frankly i just hope Fields has a great career. Good kid, talented. Rocket arm. But Just NOT for us.

That left one guy....Trey.

I'm thinking there's some type of undisclosed character trait that rubbed out front office the wrong way with Fields but right now I gotta think they mostly liked Treys tape better than Fields

This is all very possible. I was very surprised how far Fields dropped, although Jones not so much. Several qb-hungry teams did not react what he dropped. I also hope he is healthy and has a good career.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
"It is of my belief that I am hearing..."

- media trying to predict what 49ers will do

This did not happen.

At all. https://t.co/8mMEMwQLWk

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) May 4, 2021

Lombardi is a joke

Still butthurt that he wasn't picked to be our GM in 2011.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by thl408:
"It is of my belief that I am hearing..."

- media trying to predict what 49ers will do

This did not happen.

At all. https://t.co/8mMEMwQLWk

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) May 4, 2021

Lombardi is a joke

So does this mean we put our sources against his and we won?

Did the 49ers call Lance just before the pick was announced, or was it after? I'd love to see a video that combines the backstage and front stage views into the actual timeline as events happened.

Lombardi is just another Chris Collinsworth type hater because the 9ers dissed him at some point in his career.

Kyle has stones and doesn't blink, nobody is going to dissuade him from picking his guy at the most important position on the team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Literally this

The information I had was that all the Mac Jones talk was B.S. because "there's nothing coming out of that building." So whatever people heard, it wasn't from the #49ers.

Regardless of what's been said since, I thought it was Lance from the jump. Still feel that way. https://t.co/VXOOuFH8cS

— Al Sacco (@AlSacco49) May 4, 2021

Lol Adam Schefter said - There are no leaks from
the 49ers but he believes that the pick will be Mac Jones.

So clearly - he's guessing. He thinks it's a very educated guess but guess nonetheless.

I'm not sure why Lynch and Kyle both will cook up stories that Kyle was obsessed with Lance's film in late January? Kyle said it very clearly - they wanted to move up in Feb - and they eventually wanted to move up to 3 bc they felt if they traded to a lower spot - someone will jump to 3. He also felt the price will go higher - so better to make the move now. All of this makes sense.

It was Lance all along. Could they have changed their minds? Of course - if he turned out to be a know-it-all brat who doesn't sound like he wants to be coached - sure. But, they liked the person too and they were already gaga over his tape.

Lombardi and Simms right now

And Florio.

I think the source for picking Jones was always Simms saying that Kyle would want the most pro-ready QB and he thought that was Jones. Other analysts and GMs were like "Hey, he's Kyle's buddy he must know something!"

Maybe Simms was the one who actually started the "smokescreen" in the 1st place.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.

Why?

Logically break it down to me why you believe that garbage?

People refuse to believe that got had by hot take NFL "reporters" lol. Even Adam would "logically" say at the end of most of his comments...it could be someone else and the 49ers weren't talking (Rapp said the same thing).

It was all guessing and echo-chambering with not a ton of proof....people gotta get over it, Trey in the bay

There were several things that bugged me throughout this whole process.

1. The widespread belief in these reports about Mac Jones being FACTS without concrete evidence.
2. The fact that I was told to PROVE the reports weren't true when again there wasn't any evidence they were true to begin with.
3. The inability for people to acknowledge that Lance was playing in an offense that was very similar to ours and that Kyle wouldn't care about that. (Obviously he did)
4. The failure of posters to isolate these prospects and grade them on their own traits and abilities instead of focusing on their team's success or level of competition.

I hope people learn from this draft and don't fall into those same pitfalls they did this offseason. But if I had to guess it will be more of the same next offseason.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Thanks guys. 3rd daughter so I know the deal lol.

Yeah, their fiasco was proof nobody really knew anything and a lesson for us to really not believe anything when it comes to this regime. They don't leak. The media was garbage opinionated fluff with little substance when it came to our pick.

If we're speculating I would believe way more it was between Lance and Fields than Jones. He makes sense as the fail safe as was also reported.

Kyle has balls man, I may not agree with him at all times, but nothing but respect since his actions show he is trying to win and it beating a dead horse of stubbornness.

Didn't the timing of the trade come down right after Lance's first pro day?

Wilson's.

Originally posted by thl408:
"It is of my belief that I am hearing..."

- media trying to predict what 49ers will do

ie. they were second and third hand sources. Garbage reporting and fact checking. Sports media at its best is in that Newsmax level of journalistic integrity. These turds deserve the egg on their face.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:
So it looks like shanny caved to public pressure and changed his pick to lance. Also looks like we probably didn't need to trade up that high to draft him or McCorkle.

Hopefully it turns out good but once again this team doesn't seem to know what it's doing.

Oh, that proves that Lombardi was wrong. Sustroll input.

Wow ok, so mods can call people names?

I'm just going what the media is reporting. I didn't make up these theories.

Media also said there were no leaks from the 49ers - so how did they know it was going to be Mac Jones?!? Lol

They can still get lucky and lance can become a stud but he was the riskiest of all the prospects.

I disagree. I think with skill set he possesses and the kind of person he is (super intelligent, lighting quick decision maker in the pocket with incredible work ethic + understanding that you not only gotta master your strengths but work harder on your weaknesses to eliminate them) - makes him a good candidate to be successful. How successful will depend on him and Shanahan. I think he has potential to be the top 3 QB in the league. So, even if you think he's the riskiest pick - IMO - potential is worth it

I think risk comes from him playing in FCS and only playing 1 year. I don't think that's a huge deal bc of what I say about his person. And, it wasn't like he was just sitting at home. He was working with private QB gurus and refining his mechanics. I actually think he needed that just as much as the game reps. I think it really helps the Niners that they don't have to make him unlearn things and then teach him. He already started that process last fall.

Lastly - 49ers already went all in when they made the trade - you don't do all that to play it safe and bunt or find the gap for a single. You swing for fences. You don't try to draft a QB with Kirk Cousins' ceiling - you try to draft one with top 3 QB ceiling.

Originally posted by 49erminion:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Trey Lance had a GPS tracked time at 21.54 MPH on this run.

That would of made him the 14th fastest ball carrier in the NFL last year right behind Will Fuller but ahead of AJ Brown.

Lamar Jackson's 2 fastest times in 2020 were at 20.64 and 20.52 MPH.👀#TreyLance #49ers pic.twitter.com/jdsuCpohjK

— John Chapman (@JL_Chapman) May 3, 2021

There are ppl on this board and in the media who think it's hard to get how good or fast of a runner Lance is bc he's playing against future car salesmen. Well - here it is.



Lamar Jackson is 6'2 210 24 years old in his physical prime
Lance is 6'4 225 20 year old

This is sort of a relief for me. Was difficult to tell Lance's speed because he appears so under control when he's running. But I guess his top speed is very fast. I think his 40-time is faster than what was clocked. I'm sure his primary focus wasn't coming out of a sprinter's stance.

Quoting myself. I know Kyler Murray ran a 4.3 but I wonder if he has clocked faster than 20mph with a uniform. If not, then this is what we have:

1. The biggest QB in the NFC West
2. The fastest QB in the NFC West
3. The strongest arm in the NFC West
4. Physical ability: Lance = Wilson + Murray + Stafford

Kap was also the biggest fastest strongest and had the most physical abilitity in the NFC West.
For Trey arm strength is debateable. Stafford and Wilson have stronger arms imo.

I'm sure Kyle could have done some big things with Kaep.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.

Why?

Logically break it down to me why you believe that garbage?

When an idiot and an intelligent person say the Sun rises in the East, you agree with both "on that issue". I guess the idiot is not always wrong.

When the first two picks were obvious, and you have the 3rd pick, there is no reason to make a big deal out of that. I think Shanahan and Lynch wouldn't waste time on some tricks, etc. I think they were genuinely uncertain who they would pick, hence the hesitation to openly talk about it. Nothing wrong with that. Based on their presser two days before the draft, both were uneasy, it seemed like.
So some discussion, some convincing had to happen.
Anyways, who cares at this point, the draft is over, time to move on, and more importantly, win!
It would be a shame if Lance was a bust.

Originally posted by susweel:
So it looks like shanny caved to public pressure and changed his pick to lance. Also looks like we probably didn't need to trade up that high to draft him or McCorkle.

Hopefully it turns out good but once again this team doesn't seem to know what it's doing.

You must be a CNN viewer because you sure seem to buy media b******t hook line and sinker.

Don't confuse "journalists" trying to save face with the truth.

This process has revealed to me how uneducated I am and 99 percent of people are when evaluating QB prospects. That includes the media. I and most people wanted Fields based on his level of competition and his highlight reel. There was a minority that was pro Jones that were going off of stats and "he's just like Brady" narrative. Very few people were on the Lance train, but the pick makes sense. Ignore the stats and level of competition, he was selected based on his intelligence that doesn't always show in the highlight reel(hardly anyone knows to look at pre snap reads etc), his raw traits and his mastery of an offense that is eerily similar to what we run.

not saying there's any guarantees with any of these QBs but there is so much that goes into the evaluation process. That's why we pay Kyle and John the big bucks, I was right to trust in their decision.