Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

We have 80% of the history of what led to Lance.

Look, I liked Mac Jones the QB. I don't like what I know about Mac the person. I have an issue with DUI people in general, but logically the 49ers have too much of a history with players that have responsibility issues to risk a Mac Jones in my opinion.

I think what we have come to find out, Mac was never really in contention.

I think the 49ers liked Lance at 12. They knew he had real fundamental issues, and probably encouraged the work with McAvoy and Beck. When his QB coaches started to talk about Lance as a generational talent, and NFL coaches started to interact with Lance They started to look at who Lance would be and not what Lance was in college.

That likely Scared the 49ers into the trade to 3.

If your sitting there watching the college games and say to yourself... I don't get it, this dude is highly flawed... your not wrong. The dudes college tape has some major issues red flags.

The 49ers didn't draft the dude because of what he did in college.

They drafted him because of who he is. Dude has some unicorn attributes.

You might not like him, but I would challenge any fan to sit back and let this 20 year old guy learn to run shanny's offense in an organized coaching environment. The dude can be truly special.

This draft was likely always going to be Lance. We got as lucky with this pic as we did with Bosa. We have some really fun football coming our way in the next few years.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
wonder if Kyle rolls him out against a CB and tries some trickery with him since hes so damn fast

He's less fast than Kaepernick. Keep it in perspective. He's here to throw.

Who are these people???. They need 👁 implants. This dude is gonna be handing off to himself on 3d and short and the goal line.🤣. He'll call his protections then blast out on a boot and either hit a second or 3d window at 55 yards or just keep it and truck corners. Wish the Kap Shlit would stop. This dude's top end is faster than LJ's

I don't know. Kap's top speed was like a cheetah.

But Trey doesn't need to be the fastest QB. He just needs to be fast enough to scare defenses — and he is.

I hope to God he isn't like Kaep. I want a QB that can read defenses, go through his progressions, have some pocket awareness, anticipate a receiver getting open, and not just run to run, but do it when its truly the best option. Just saying. 😂

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I hate to break it to you guys, but lombardi is right. There is waaay too much evidence to suggest otherwise. If there were no leaks how did schefter know that it was trey lance gaining steam at the end? He didn't need to report it, he didn't need to make that up. He could have stuck with his mac jones prediction. They caved and now we have to hope that it works out. I'm disappointed in the whole process, starting with the trade up. I think shanahan panicked. I think giving up two first rounders was a terrible move. Just all around disappointed.

Real simple:

Scouts — who were NOT told by Lynch and Shanahan who they favored — ranted to their family members because they felt like Lynch and Shanahan weren't listening, and so THEY assumed it was Jones, and then family or friends were contacted by media.

The HUGE MISTAKE that was made in this hypothetical scenario (which I believe is very likely right) is that the scouts failed to realize Shanahan was DELIBERATELY vague and stoic in the meetings because he (a) wanted unbiased reports on the prospects and (b) didn't want ANY leaks getting to a rival team. He even said in his career teams have jumped right in from of his team and taken his guy because of these leaks.

In short, we have SCOUTS misunderstanding Shanahan's stoicism as support for Jones (because the scouts in question were arguing for Fields or Lance), them ranting about it to someone, and media heads hearing it that way.

There's the sources of your "evidence." It was speculation made by people who were attempting to read Shanahan — who was DELIBERATELY being obtuse — which made its way to the media and was then taken as gospel, when all along it was a misunderstanding.

That is BY FAR the most likely scenario, in some form or another, outside of media people just making stuff up or getting their information from OTHER teams (which us suspect anyway).

Very good point, and very possible.

Although I honestly feel like people were just talking out of their ass thinking they knew something.

Bingo, this is almost certainly what happened.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by IceMan1763:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2942548-49ers-kyle-shanahan-john-lynch-explain-how-they-decided-on-trey-lance.amp.html

Straight from lynch's mouth

You aren't f**king with me, are you?

But yes. Lance from the start.

Do you understand the context of that conversation AT ALL? Do you know that Lynch and Kyle never shared their preferences? Lynch was ECSTATIC they both loved the same guy.

So yes, Lance from the start. Got any more brain busters for me?

Yeah I can see the meeting now..

Lynch: WHo do you like, Kyle?

Shanahan: I'm not going to tell you now. How about you?

Lynch: I'd rather not say either. Hey why don;t we surprise each other right before the draft??

I'm going to chose my words carefully here so as not to get dinged by the mods but...

You need to work on your reasoning/reading skills.

It's not difficult to follow what happened considering the press conference is readily available to get full context.

BEFORE they made the trade up Kyle was highly impressed by Lance "I'm getting obsessed", he shares the breakdown of Lance with Lynch so he can get his thoughts on him. Lynch loves him as well.

They don't give their takes on Lance to anyone else in the building. They get the go ahead to make the trade up for a QB without telling Jed or anyone else in the building who they're targeting.

I hate to use a fictional movie to make a point but did you watch Draft Day? Cleveland makes their huge trade up to #1 for Bo Callahan. They then spend the rest of the day looking for any reason not to draft him. In the movie they find that reason and take the guy the GM liked in the first place at his original pick.

We moved up for Lance and then knew they could freely check all the QBs without hiding the fact they were looking at QB. That includes potentially finding holes in Lance's game/person to change their pick to one of the other QBs, or potentially falling in love with one of the other QBs.

Obviously in the end they picked the same guy who they fell in love with in the first place.

All of the Mac Jones talk was people speculating on what Kyle would do. Yet everything logical pointed to it NOT being Mac Jones.

These are facts or at the very least reports which have not been denied by us.

49ers realized they were limited with Jimmy G at QB and wanted to draft his replacement
Rams, who run a similar offense as us, realized they were limited with Jared Goff and basically paid extra to get rid of him for a Matt Stafford
Kyle's takes on QBs recently have all mentioned how his QB evaluations have changed and if he had his say he'd get the biggest, fastest, most athletic QB with the biggest arm and ability to run as long as he could play in the pocket.
We missed out on Mahomes/Watson because we were looking ahead to sign a limited QB like Kirk Cousins
QBs in the Conference Championship games last year - Mahomes/Allen/Rodgers/Brady

Yet people really want to pretend after all of that we gave up all that to get to #3 overall to draft a POSSIBLE slight upgrade over Jimmy G???

Sure...

Originally posted by 49ersking:
I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.

I think that is why everyone is arguing. We want to win. We know how important the QB position is. We want to make sure we have the right guy that gives us the best chance to have another dynasty. Time will tell.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:
So it looks like shanny caved to public pressure and changed his pick to lance. Also looks like we probably didn't need to trade up that high to draft him or McCorkle.

Hopefully it turns out good but once again this team doesn't seem to know what it's doing.

Oh, that proves that Lombardi was wrong. Sustroll input.

Wow ok, so mods can call people names?

I'm just going what the media is reporting. I didn't make up these theories.

I am not calling you names. I am making an honest observation on your posting here.

Why are we arguing this or that.

Bottom line is we got Lance and we should be set at the QB position for the next 10-15 years

Originally posted by Dshearn:
We have 80% of the history of what led to Lance.

Look, I liked Mac Jones the QB. I don't like what I know about Mac the person. I have an issue with DUI people in general, but logically the 49ers have too much of a history with players that have responsibility issues to risk a Mac Jones in my opinion.

I think what we have come to find out, Mac was never really in contention.

I think the 49ers liked Lance at 12. They knew he had real fundamental issues, and probably encouraged the work with McAvoy and Beck. When his QB coaches started to talk about Lance as a generational talent, and NFL coaches started to interact with Lance They started to look at who Lance would be and not what Lance was in college.

That likely Scared the 49ers into the trade to 3.

If your sitting there watching the college games and say to yourself... I don't get it, this dude is highly flawed... your not wrong. The dudes college tape has some major issues red flags.

The 49ers didn't draft the dude because of what he did in college.

They drafted him because of who he is. Dude has some unicorn attributes.

You might not like him, but I would challenge any fan to sit back and let this 20 year old guy learn to run shanny's offense in an organized coaching environment. The dude can be truly special.

This draft was likely always going to be Lance. We got as lucky with this pic as we did with Bosa. We have some really fun football coming our way in the next few years.

I think the ShanaLynch strategy was to be in the super bowl year 1, tank year 2 for draft picks, be in super bowl contention for year 3, and then tank year 4, and rinse and repeat. Now with Lance, maybe you don't have to tank every other year anymore. Just once in a while.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think John and Kyle strongly suggested working with Beck, but it wasn't an order. More like, let's see what Lance will do with our suggestion. Because (from what I understand) QB mechanics are worked on in the off-season on the QBs own time for the majority. Can't really work on it in camp because you have to work on group play, like the 7 on 7 drills and the like vs individual drills. That was a good indication that Trey is really motivated to be a QB vs an RB like Colin.

Beck said Lance came to him on his own because he had previously worked with Easton Stick (the NDSU QB that Lance played behind in 2018).

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hate to break it to you guys, but lombardi is right. There is waaay too much evidence to suggest otherwise. If there were no leaks how did schefter know that it was trey lance gaining steam at the end? He didn't need to report it, he didn't need to make that up. He could have stuck with his mac jones prediction. They caved and now we have to hope that it works out. I'm disappointed in the whole process, starting with the trade up. I think shanahan panicked. I think giving up two first rounders was a terrible move. Just all around disappointed.

Real simple:

Scouts — who were NOT told by Lynch and Shanahan who they favored — ranted to their family members because they felt like Lynch and Shanahan weren't listening, and so THEY assumed it was Jones, and then family or friends were contacted by media.

The HUGE MISTAKE that was made in this hypothetical scenario (which I believe is very likely right) is that the scouts failed to realize Shanahan was DELIBERATELY vague and stoic in the meetings because he (a) wanted unbiased reports on the prospects and (b) didn't want ANY leaks getting to a rival team. He even said in his career teams have jumped right in from of his team and taken his guy because of these leaks.

In short, we have SCOUTS misunderstanding Shanahan's stoicism as support for Jones (because the scouts in question were arguing for Fields or Lance), them ranting about it to someone, and media heads hearing it that way.

There's the sources of your "evidence." It was speculation made by people who were attempting to read Shanahan — who was DELIBERATELY being obtuse — which made its way to the media and was then taken as gospel, when all along it was a misunderstanding.

That is BY FAR the most likely scenario, in some form or another, outside of media people just making stuff up or getting their information from OTHER teams (which us suspect anyway).

Very good point, and very possible.

Although I honestly feel like people were just talking out of their ass thinking they knew something.

Bingo, this is almost certainly what happened.

Agree, and I'll just add that one of the biggest voices for Mac was Chris Simms, and he made a compelling argument that a lot of folks including me, bought hook line and sinker. But he's always been honest and said he doesn't know the truth, and was just speculating. Also, credit ShanaLynch for not correcting the public narrative when they could easily have. I also think ShanaLynch changing their draft pick because of social media pressure is ridiculous. Their lives and their family's lives are on the line if they make a mistake in drafting - specially one with this much draft capital involved. I think their family's lives and their kids lives are far more important than what social media thinks.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think John and Kyle strongly suggested working with Beck, but it wasn't an order. More like, let's see what Lance will do with our suggestion. Because (from what I understand) QB mechanics are worked on in the off-season on the QBs own time for the majority. Can't really work on it in camp because you have to work on group play, like the 7 on 7 drills and the like vs individual drills. That was a good indication that Trey is really motivated to be a QB vs an RB like Colin.

Beck said Lance came to him on his own because he had previously worked with Easton Stick (the NDSU QB that Lance played behind in 2018).

Yeah, but then John talked to both Beck and Quinn, and I'm sure both Beck and Quinn talked to Lance about whatever John Said.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, Mac would have been a decent pick at #12...he went at #15. But at. #3, that was WAY over drafted. So no, at 3 he was a no no.

as for Fields who has terrific talent , i suspect we'll never know but the media had him, Trey , Mac all lumped together ...one week it was one, next week the other, But then one Fri, something must have been released to media or somebody found out. (It was known long before Fields had epilepsy, well controlled), but something huge happened that Fri because by Monday, Fields dropped out of sight, and was reported to be as low as 32nd on the draft board. (He went back up shortly thereafter, obviously)

Only thing i can think of is that a hypothetical leaked/discovered report that a neurologist specializing in epilepsy (epileptologist), did NOT clear Fields and issued a statement that a severe hit to the head would be a serious setback for his epilepsy which has been well controlled to date. At least, that was all i can think of to suddenly find him plummeting to the bottom of the board. What else could have precipitated that? I guess some team (CHI??) could have somehow sent out a bogus report on him, so he would be there at 11 for them, but....either way, once that piece of info was out....Mac was out based on draft position, (12-15) and. Fields had a ding from a possible medical report....that left Lance.

FTR, with all our massive IR and PUP setting negative records last yr and same for games lost by starters, if we had taken Fields I would have been sick,
scared silly that every time he stepped out on the field would be his last. Kyle and John later said that one of the key things in their picks had to be good health. And if Fields had been taken by us and then a helmet hit precipitated his epilepsy, KS/JL would have had egg on their faces and shortened their careers here. The gamble was way, way too high. Frankly i just hope Fields has a great career. Good kid, talented. Rocket arm. But Just NOT for us.

That left one guy....Trey.

I'm thinking there's some type of undisclosed character trait that rubbed out front office the wrong way with Fields but right now I gotta think they mostly liked Treys tape better than Fields

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
wonder if Kyle rolls him out against a CB and tries some trickery with him since hes so damn fast

He's less fast than Kaepernick. Keep it in perspective. He's here to throw.

Who are these people???. They need 👁 implants. This dude is gonna be handing off to himself on 3d and short and the goal line.🤣. He'll call his protections then blast out on a boot and either hit a second or 3d window at 55 yards or just keep it and truck corners. Wish the Kap Shlit would stop. This dude's top end is faster than LJ's

I don't know. Kap's top speed was like a cheetah.

But Trey doesn't need to be the fastest QB. He just needs to be fast enough to scare defenses — and he is.

I hope to God he isn't like Kaep. I want a QB that can read defenses, go through his progressions, have some pocket awareness, anticipate a receiver getting open, and not just run to run, but do it when its truly the best option. Just saying. 😂

His tape shows he is miles ahead of Kap when it comes to reading defenses, going thru progressions, decision making etc

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hey, Mac would have been a decent pick at #12...he went at #15. But at. #3, that was WAY over drafted. So no, at 3 he was a no no.

as for Fields who has terrific talent , i suspect we'll never know but the media had him, Trey , Mac all lumped together ...one week it was one, next week the other, But then one Fri, something must have been released to media or somebody found out. (It was known long before Fields had epilepsy, well controlled), but something huge happened that Fri because by Monday, Fields dropped out of sight, and was reported to be as low as 32nd on the draft board. (He went back up shortly thereafter, obviously)

Only thing i can think of is that a hypothetical leaked/discovered report that a neurologist specializing in epilepsy (epileptologist), did NOT clear Fields and issued a statement that a severe hit to the head would be a serious setback for his epilepsy which has been well controlled to date. At least, that was all i can think of to suddenly find him plummeting to the bottom of the board. What else could have precipitated that? I guess some team (CHI??) could have somehow sent out a bogus report on him, so he would be there at 11 for them, but....either way, once that piece of info was out....Mac was out based on draft position, (12-15) and. Fields had a ding from a possible medical report....that left Lance.

FTR, with all our massive IR and PUP setting negative records last yr and same for games lost by starters, if we had taken Fields I would have been sick,
scared silly that every time he stepped out on the field would be his last. Kyle and John later said that one of the key things in their picks had to be good health. And if Fields had been taken by us and then a helmet hit precipitated his epilepsy, KS/JL would have had egg on their faces and shortened their careers here. The gamble was way, way too high. Frankly i just hope Fields has a great career. Good kid, talented. Rocket arm. But Just NOT for us.

That left one guy....Trey.

I'm thinking there's some type of undisclosed character trait that rubbed out front office the wrong way with Fields but right now I gotta think they mostly liked Treys tape better than Fields

I think the answer is more simple, Treys skillset in the passing game is just a better fit for us than Justin.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by socal1632:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
wonder if Kyle rolls him out against a CB and tries some trickery with him since hes so damn fast

He's less fast than Kaepernick. Keep it in perspective. He's here to throw.

Who are these people???. They need 👁 implants. This dude is gonna be handing off to himself on 3d and short and the goal line.🤣. He'll call his protections then blast out on a boot and either hit a second or 3d window at 55 yards or just keep it and truck corners. Wish the Kap Shlit would stop. This dude's top end is faster than LJ's

I don't know. Kap's top speed was like a cheetah.

But Trey doesn't need to be the fastest QB. He just needs to be fast enough to scare defenses — and he is.

I hope to God he isn't like Kaep. I want a QB that can read defenses, go through his progressions, have some pocket awareness, anticipate a receiver getting open, and not just run to run, but do it when its truly the best option. Just saying. 😂

His tape shows he is miles ahead of Kap when it comes to reading defenses, going thru progressions, decision making etc

AGree, and I'll just add that Kyle is a much better QB developer than Harbaugh ever was. On top of that, his GM (Lynch) is a hell of a lot better than Baalke. Two OLine picks to protect Trey, and Two tough power running/zone skilled RB's for Trey to hand off to if he's having a bad QB day. Nice!