Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I hate to break it to you guys, but lombardi is right. There is waaay too much evidence to suggest otherwise. If there were no leaks how did schefter know that it was trey lance gaining steam at the end? He didn't need to report it, he didn't need to make that up. He could have stuck with his mac jones prediction. They caved and now we have to hope that it works out. I'm disappointed in the whole process, starting with the trade up. I think shanahan panicked. I think giving up two first rounders was a terrible move. Just all around disappointed.

Real simple:

Scouts — who were NOT told by Lynch and Shanahan who they favored — ranted to their family members because they felt like Lynch and Shanahan weren't listening, and so THEY assumed it was Jones, and then family or friends were contacted by media.

The HUGE MISTAKE that was made in this hypothetical scenario (which I believe is very likely right) is that the scouts failed to realize Shanahan was DELIBERATELY vague and stoic in the meetings because he (a) wanted unbiased reports on the prospects and (b) didn't want ANY leaks getting to a rival team. He even said in his career teams have jumped right in from of his team and taken his guy because of these leaks.

In short, we have SCOUTS misunderstanding Shanahan's stoicism as support for Jones (because the scouts in question were arguing for Fields or Lance), them ranting about it to someone, and media heads hearing it that way.

There's the sources of your "evidence." It was speculation made by people who were attempting to read Shanahan — who was DELIBERATELY being obtuse — which made its way to the media and was then taken as gospel, when all along it was a misunderstanding.

That is BY FAR the most likely scenario, in some form or another, outside of media people just making stuff up or getting their information from OTHER teams (which us suspect anyway).

Very good point, and very possible.

Although I honestly feel like people were just talking out of their ass thinking they knew something.

Chris Simms been looking so dejected and salty since we made the pick. Kinda lost respect for him.

also Lombardi is a clown

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by susweel:

So it looks like shanny caved to public pressure and changed his pick to lance. Also looks like we probably didn't need to trade up that high to draft him or McCorkle.

Hopefully it turns out good but once again this team doesn't seem to know what it's doing.

Oh, that proves that Lombardi was wrong. Sustroll input.

Wow ok, so mods can call people names?

I'm just going what the media is reporting. I didn't make up these theories.

Media also said there were no leaks from the 49ers - so how did they know it was going to be Mac Jones?!? Lol

They can still get lucky and lance can become a stud but he was the riskiest of all the prospects.

Originally posted by susweel:
So it looks like shanny caved to public pressure and changed his pick to lance. Also looks like we probably didn't need to trade up that high to draft him or McCorkle.

Hopefully it turns out good but once again this team doesn't seem to know what it's doing.

why would you believe this?

kyle and john already said what happened

Its simply a joke that anyone actually think that Lynch and Shanny would change their QB decision based on fan reactions. People with half a brain would realize that this is stupid.

Did they trade up for Lance only? Maybe. Maybe not. But that isnt the point. I have no doubt that they made the decision to draft Trey Lance based on his ability, his upside, and what he can become. I also have no doubt that they did due diligence on all 3 QBS and came to the conclusion that Lance was the best choice to make the 49ers a better team.

Guys like Lombardi, Florio, and Simms are just upset that they were SO wrong. Now they have to do whatever they can to try and make it sound like they were right and the Lynch and Shanny caved. RIDICULOUS

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This can't be correct. We are to believe that they did not divulge their love for lance to each other until a few days prior to avoid bias , and lynch was so ecstatic that shanahan wanted lance that he started pinching his own nipples.

We are to believe that Trey was picked at three and Mac Jones had to pop a NoDoz trying to stay awake long enough to hear his name called

Hey, Mac would have been a decent pick at #12...he went at #15. But at. #3, that was WAY over drafted. So no, at 3 he was a no no.

as for Fields who has terrific talent , i suspect we'll never know but the media had him, Trey , Mac all lumped together ...one week it was one, next week the other, But then one Fri, something must have been released to media or somebody found out. (It was known long before Fields had epilepsy, well controlled), but something huge happened that Fri because by Monday, Fields dropped out of sight, and was reported to be as low as 32nd on the draft board. (He went back up shortly thereafter, obviously)

Only thing i can think of is that a hypothetical leaked/discovered report that a neurologist specializing in epilepsy (epileptologist), did NOT clear Fields and issued a statement that a severe hit to the head would be a serious setback for his epilepsy which has been well controlled to date. At least, that was all i can think of to suddenly find him plummeting to the bottom of the board. What else could have precipitated that? I guess some team (CHI??) could have somehow sent out a bogus report on him, so he would be there at 11 for them, but....either way, once that piece of info was out....Mac was out based on draft position, (12-15) and. Fields had a ding from a possible medical report....that left Lance.

FTR, with all our massive IR and PUP setting negative records last yr and same for games lost by starters, if we had taken Fields I would have been sick,
scared silly that every time he stepped out on the field would be his last. Kyle and John later said that one of the key things in their picks had to be good health. And if Fields had been taken by us and then a helmet hit precipitated his epilepsy, KS/JL would have had egg on their faces and shortened their careers here. The gamble was way, way too high. Frankly i just hope Fields has a great career. Good kid, talented. Rocket arm. But Just NOT for us.

That left one guy....Trey.

Agree Doc, I think the DUI and the epileptic preexisting conditions knocked both Mac and Fields a lot more than most folks think. Trey had great character and no health issues. Just from that standpoint (nevermore the athleticism and intangibles that are through the roof) it makes sense that Trey was the pick, just from a player evaluation standpoint.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Chris Simms been looking so dejected and salty since we made the pick. Kinda lost respect for him.

also Lombardi is a clown

Same, Simms just needs to take the L. Florio, Simms and Lombardi are all doubling down lol

Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Its simply a joke that anyone actually think that Lynch and Shanny would change their QB decision based on fan reactions. People with half a brain would realize that this is stupid.

Did they trade up for Lance only? Maybe. Maybe not. But that isnt the point. I have no doubt that they made the decision to draft Trey Lance based on his ability, his upside, and what he can become. I also have no doubt that they did due diligence on all 3 QBS and came to the conclusion that Lance was the best choice to make the 49ers a better team.

Guys like Lombardi, Florio, and Simms are just upset that they were SO wrong. Now they have to do whatever they can to try and make it sound like they were right and the Lynch and Shanny caved. RIDICULOUS

I honestly don't understand how someone can see/hear what Kyle has done lately and think Mac Jones was our target at #3 overall.

Look at every QB we kicked the tires on this offseason?

Matt Stafford - huge arm, doesn't improve the run game but sure as hell doesn't limit you in the passing game
Aaron Rodgers - one of the best to play, huge arm and mobile
Deshaun Watson - the new breed of QB
Sam Darnold - and I'm not sure how much we really looked into him but he's definitely a talented kid arm/athletically

We didn't get any of those guys and we want to move on from Jimmy G so we move up to #3 overall for Mac Jones

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Kap was still affected by surgery when he ran that 40. He's faster than that.

Kap was outrunning pro DBs.

who are you talking about and why is it here. general patton would say you are disgracing a place of honor by bringing up this person and then he would slap you

Originally posted by genus49:
I honestly don't understand how someone can see/hear what Kyle has done lately and think Mac Jones was our target at #3 overall.

Look at every QB we kicked the tires on this offseason?

Matt Stafford - huge arm, doesn't improve the run game but sure as hell doesn't limit you in the passing game
Aaron Rodgers - one of the best to play, huge arm and mobile
Deshaun Watson - the new breed of QB
Sam Darnold - and I'm not sure how much we really looked into him but he's definitely a talented kid arm/athletically

We didn't get any of those guys and we want to move on from Jimmy G so we move up to #3 overall for Mac Jones

All these QBs would improve our run game bevause safeties would have to actually play more than 8 yards back

I really hope JG balls out this upcoming season. First and foremost, I love to see us win. Secondly, if he does - we can trade him for at least a first round pick.

we can soften the blow of losing the 2 first rounders we traded away if Jimmy can net us a first or second round pick next off season. I don't see why we couldn't get at least one first round pick if he has a good year. we got two second round picks for Alex Smith and I think JG is a lot better than Smith was when we traded him.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Crazy bro. My wife had the baby yesterday. They are doing great, so I've obviously been busy with more important things at this time. I come check this thread and it's people complaining. Lol

Just say damn I really wanted Fields or Jones. That's fair, we all get it. We both said drafting Lance would be massive balls and it is. I hope it works out because we will be contenders for 12+ years if so.

The media is full of s**t. Simms took an educated guess and was wrong, but he always said. I don't know. I'm just assuming based on what I know about Kyle. He's always said that and I mean, it's honest.

Lombardi is a jackass. I've seen reports saying it was Lance and Fields, not even Lance and Jones. Who knows, but it's done and over with now. I'm super glad it wasn't t Jones lol

I will say Fields looked like he was pissed and probably had his heart set on coming here. I admire that. I hope he does well except when playing us.

Hey congrats man!

yeah everyone guessed and a lot of them got it wrong...let's move on and enjoy the idea of having a potential top 5 QB for the next decade

Hey congrats Cisco! I became a dad last year and it's the best thing ever. May not get much sleep first few months but all worth it.

It's the ppl who believed Mac Jones is worthy to be a 3rd overall pick who are having a rough time that no one traded up for Mac Jones even when he fell to teens.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Oh wow! Congrats Cisco!!!

It's hilarious to me that reporters are more butthurt their "sources" got exposed than actually reporting the truth. Even though they're getting their info second hand, it's John and Kyle who are lying not their sources who may have incomplete information.

Thanks guys. 3rd daughter so I know the deal lol.

Yeah, their fiasco was proof nobody really knew anything and a lesson for us to really not believe anything when it comes to this regime. They don't leak. The media was garbage opinionated fluff with little substance when it came to our pick.

If we're speculating I would believe way more it was between Lance and Fields than Jones. He makes sense as the fail safe as was also reported.

Kyle has balls man, I may not agree with him at all times, but nothing but respect since his actions show he is trying to win and it beating a dead horse of stubbornness.

Lying journalists butthurt that they got burned by bad sources. It's only sports.

I tend to agree with Michael Lombardi when he says Shanahan changed his mind because of outside pressure.
At this point, these idiot so-called sports analysts have to say something everyday in the off season so people continue to watch their show.
The draft is done, the 49ers selected Lance, just go out and win the whole thing (with Jimmy or Lance whoever the heck it is). Two SB losses in 7 years, it's time to win one.