Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is not how this guy explains it. He even said an ex 49er lineman, who played under Shanahan, stated the same thing.

https://youtu.be/Z9neccxOFd0

Yeah, it's possible. We'll never know for certain unless Kyle Shanahan comes out and says it. Matt Ryan has said in the past that Alex Mack handled all protection calls in Atlanta so who knows.

But even numbers and a 13-year vet center. It shouldn't happen, especially not on the first play of the game.

That's a fan take. Alex Mack himself confirmed he makes the protection calls when he got here. He said Kyle likes to take that off his QB's plate since he already has so much to deal with pre snap.

So I went back and tried to find Alex Mack making this statement and the only thing I can find is your post from back in July. You posted a link to an article that stated the center was responsible for protection calls. It wasn't a quote. It was a statement by the writer. Guess who that writer was? The same guy who also made the video that I posted. lol

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/7/13/22575728/49ers-90-in-90-alex-mack-is-just-what-the-doctor-ordered-for-the-niners-ol

IIRC, Mack's was a video talking about it. I think Kyle's talked about the C being responsible for the protections which is why it was tough having Brunskill and so many others, Mack, Ryan, etc.

Do you think the QB calls the protections?

His very own fan confirmation. You see the irony in this, right?

In Kyle Shanahan's offense, the center is responsible for setting the protections and making the line calls.

Why can it not be how he stated it in the video? That the center is responsible if one of the guards is uncovered and the qb's responsibility if a defender is showing blitz on the outside. If you look at the play, the blitzer comes to the los late and Trey is looking that way just before the snap. No way can Mack see that just before he snaps the ball.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If he's a 49er, he's injury prone now.

Only two players have ever escaped the curse: DeForest Buckner and Dontae Johnson

The whole I didn't want Lance so I'll make up s**t is pretty lame though....bangs his finger on a helmet in TC and getting a knee strain after doing next to nothing for 4 months, I mean give me a break. Imagine sitting on the bench for months then all of a sudden being forced to go balls to the wall, we see guys put in that position get "hurt" all the time.

This is the same poster who's defended Jimmy at all costs forever...now he's trying to push a injury narrative yeah I don't think so.

I've said for a few weeks now I'm not defending Jimmy anymore, he's been mediocre this season and tired of the injuries. As far as Trey, 2 injuries in a 1 month span is not a good look, that's not trolling . And It's comical how butthurt you get when someone doesn't give praise to your baby boy Trey, so you have to make things up to fit your narrative, Youre still saying I'm bias? I thought he looked great for most of the preseason game against KC despite some bad drops by the WRs, everything else hes left a lot to be desired.

Also not sure why TheSnore49er still replies to me, I've put him on mute for months now. It's weird

Jimmy is injury prone and an above average qb. Trey is injury prone and is running around the field like a chicken with its head cutoff. Thanks shanahan.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I wasn't a fan of Trey coming out of college. He was third on my list of who we should have taken at #3. I was a supporter of Jimmy starting day one. I thought Trey was far from ready after watching his preseason. After 4 weeks into the season and realizing we aren't the sb caliber team I thought we were. Also, after watching Trey play against Arizona and seeing how he improved from preseason to now. I am convinced of the high ceiling this kid has and I believe he should be given the start the rest of the season when healthy. While I do believe Jimmy gives us the best chance of making the playoffs, I don't believe that the season is an automatic loss with Trey starting. I just think we should focus on getting him ready for next season.

Yeah, this weekend will go a long ways towards Trey starting and when. Knowing Kyle, he'll hold out as long as possible. I don't care either way...just want Trey to start playing more within Kyle's passing game as that's the big area he needs to learn.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hey, these aren't my facts. They're just facts.

No college injury history. He becomes a 49er and bam, finger and knee injury in 50 snaps.

Then again, you've denied our injury issues for 7 straight years and thought fans were overreacting to Kinlaw's knee too.

So...LOL

Kin's knee injury happened because he legit got hurt in the Dallas game...not because he might have tendonitis down the road. Those are separate things. I'm annoyed just like any fan with the idea of continually drafting/signing guys with medical issues and acting like they're gonna take on meaningful snaps, sure that's dumb and I've said that.

Hitting a finger off a helmet has nothing to do with how hard a team practices, but I'm sure you'll try to make it sound that way (you talk about Seattle and their bad ass practices lol and yet Wilson banged his hand and is out for 6 weeks)...kid runs 16 times in one game after doing next to nothing in real football for 5 months and you think that's because of some bad omen or something lol?

I never denied injuries that's a dumb thing to say...I've denied why you think they're happening.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Posey knows more about football then most in here...not right all the time, but you can't pick which "take" you want from him and then call him a fan at the same time

I agree the center is super important to every offense, including making protection calls. A QB is very important to all of that just as well. It's not one or the other. "unit blocking"

All I said was he contradicted himself from his (own) original statement back in July. Obviously he got that information from a source at that time to where he wrote it in his very own article. And given the other sources over the years that's also verified it, it's probably most accurate.

It makes sense Kyle would want that off both Trey and Jimmy's plate and when we had inexperienced C's, the protection call issues were even greater, which lends itself even further to the C owning that responsibility.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I've said for a few weeks now I'm not defending Jimmy anymore, he's been mediocre this season and tired of the injuries. I don't get attached to players anymore, in a way I haven't been since the year we lost T.O., Hearst, & Garcia in 2004. As far as Trey, 2 injuries in a 1 month span is not a good look, that's not trolling . And It's comical how butthurt you get when someone doesn't give praise to your baby boy Trey, so you have to make things up to fit your narrative, Youre still saying I'm bias? I thought he looked great for most of the preseason game against KC despite some bad drops by the WRs, everything else hes left a lot to be desired.

Also not sure why TheSnore49er still replies to me, I've put him on mute for months now. It's weird

Making up how serious an injury is to prop up a narrative is dumb. It is trolling.

Smashing your hand off a helmet isn't a injury that is based around if a player is injury prone...that's like saying taking a helmet to the knee makes you injury prone. Dumb take.

Only one getting butt hurt in here is you constantly....making up s**t and then pretending someone else is pushing a narrative. We all see your posts, you don't hide it. Lance wasn't my golden boy, there's plenty of posts showing who I really wanted. I got the pick though. I understand the process and some in here can't stand the idea of it.

Let's just see how it all plays out instead of trying so hard to prove you're right about something that you have zero control over. K thanks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hey, these aren't my facts. They're just facts.

No college injury history. He becomes a 49er and bam, finger and knee injury in 50 snaps.

Then again, you've denied our injury issues for 7 straight years and thought fans were overreacting to Kinlaw's knee too.

So...LOL

Kin's knee injury happened because he legit got hurt in the Dallas game...not because he might have tendonitis down the road. Those are separate things. I'm annoyed just like any fan with the idea of continually drafting/signing guys with medical issues and acting like they're gonna take on meaningful snaps, sure that's dumb and I've said that.

Hitting a finger off a helmet has nothing to do with how hard a team practices, but I'm sure you'll try to make it sound that way (you talk about Seattle and their bad ass practices lol and yet Wilson banged his hand and is out for 6 weeks)...kid runs 16 times in one game after doing next to nothing in real football for 5 months and you think that's because of some bad omen or something lol?

I never denied injuries that's a dumb thing to say...I've denied why you think they're happening.

Stop minimizing.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Jimmy is injury prone and an above average qb. Trey is injury prone and is running around the field like a chicken with its head cutoff. Thanks shanahan.

Only he's not really an above avg QB.

Jose thinks Lance should sit a yr to "develop" THEN when he's forced to play because his favorite QB is hurt again....Lance goes out and has an up and down game. (All while getting no legit snaps for 5 months and not playing football for a yr) Jose then conveniently calls him a bust, like he never wrote he should sit for a yr first.

Do I have that correct? bunch of hypocrites

Originally posted by NCommand:
Stop minimizing.

stop being dramatic and making up theories with no backbone behind it

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Why can it not be how he stated it in the video? That the center is responsible if one of the guards is uncovered and the qb's responsibility if a defender is showing blitz on the outside. If you look at the play, the blitzer comes to the los late and Trey is looking that way just before the snap. No way can Mack see that just before he snaps the ball.

Because that has nothing to do with the slide protection or owning that responsibility. The C calls/owns that.

You'll see the QB (can) point out a blitzer to aid in that effort but pre snap, that's not his job. His job is to recognize the defensive alignment and extra blitzer and hot read to that spot but ultimately, if the C calls the wrong slide, he's screwed.

And that's what happened in the first play in the Cardinals game. Neither saw it so the first snap on offense was blown up by nobody blocking their best pass rusher.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Stop minimizing.

stop being dramatic and making up theories with no backbone behind it

I've got 8 years of documented evidence. Whatchu got?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I've said for a few weeks now I'm not defending Jimmy anymore, he's been mediocre this season and tired of the injuries. I don't get attached to players anymore, in a way I haven't been since the year we lost T.O., Hearst, & Garcia in 2004. As far as Trey, 2 injuries in a 1 month span is not a good look, that's not trolling . And It's comical how butthurt you get when someone doesn't give praise to your baby boy Trey, so you have to make things up to fit your narrative, Youre still saying I'm bias? I thought he looked great for most of the preseason game against KC despite some bad drops by the WRs, everything else hes left a lot to be desired.

Also not sure why TheSnore49er still replies to me, I've put him on mute for months now. It's weird

Making up how serious an injury is to prop up a narrative is dumb. It is trolling.

Smashing your hand off a helmet isn't a injury that is based around if a player is injury prone...that's like saying taking a helmet to the knee makes you injury prone. Dumb take.

Only one getting butt hurt in here is you constantly....making up s**t and then pretending someone else is pushing a narrative. We all see your posts, you don't hide it. Lance wasn't my golden boy, there's plenty of posts showing who I really wanted. I got the pick though. I understand the process and some in here can't stand the idea of it.

Let's just see how it all plays out instead of trying so hard to prove you're right about something that you have zero control over. K thanks.

I'm not making this up lmao, I'm reading reports like everyone else ….His calf is still affecting him even though you said after the AZ game it was "just sore" , if he was the starting QB and not for a bye week, he would be missing 2 games right now, and if the 49ers had to play a game the week after the Raiders game, he would have been out. Again, not saying he's injury prone but my eyebrows are raising a bit. I can make countless excuses on Jimmy's injuries and how opposing players take tons of cheap shots at him, but that would be pointless, because either way dude just can't stay healthy. Baby boy Trey wasn't your guy??? Hmmm I seem to remember you drooling over him as the next Josh Allen predraft but ok

Originally posted by NCommand:
So weird. I've been writing the same thing verbatim for years and years and years and you still have it all twisted.

Then again you were the leading mouthpiece that a mobile QB can transcend an OL. It was laughable then and it's laughable now.

I agree with the rest of your takes though.

You've moved goalposts out to the parking lot over the yrs, so I don't even know where you're at anymore.

conveniently leave out the part where I said go look at Lamar, Watson, Murray, Herbert and even Allen...they don't have pro-bowlers across the board on the their OLs. mobility does help PP as long as everyone is on the same page.

Go watch the AZ game, jimmy would have been sacked like 8 times in that game. The OL overall didn't play well BUT Lance being able to move helped remove some of those sacks. He's got to learn to take what's given and be more confident in his reads, but again that only happens with more playing time. Making a gotcha moment based off one game of a 21 yr old rookie who hasn't played with the 1st team or really any legit football since 2019 is pretty lame dude.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
I'm not making this up lmao, I'm reading reports like everyone else ….His calf is still affecting him even though you said after the AZ game it was "just sore" , if he was the starting QB and not for a bye week, he would be missing 2 games right now, and if the 49ers had to play a game the week after the Raiders game, he would have been out. Again, not saying he's injury prone but my eyebrows are raising a bit. I can make countless excuses on Jimmy's injuries and how opposing players take tons of cheap shots at him, but that would be pointless, because either way dude just can't stay healthy. Baby boy Trey wasn't your guy??? Hmmm I seem to remember you drooling over him as the next Josh Allen predraft but ok

Who's calf? Lance didn't hurt his calf. That's your boy Jimmy.

If he played from week 1 maybe he doesn't tweak his knee because he's sat for 5 months on the bench.

Fields was my pick and that's been documented. I like Lance and the upside, Fields was my QB2. We all know how you felt about Lance all through the process and you've taken every shot at him at every point since he's been here. again that's being bias and you don't hide it. It's fine just own up to it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Question for the Lance should sit a yr folks....So he's "red shirt" from basically May-Oct now and got one week to "prepare" to play against the best team in the NFL. Do you think he's developed over that 5 month time span? From what you saw in that game, is he that much better then when he showed up at Santa Clara after the draft?

Also do you think if he did start week 1 (and got first string reps in TC camp like a bunch of other rookie QBs) do you truthfully think he would look better vs AZ in week 5 or the same? I mean according to you folks he should look better because he's "sat and learned" for the past 5 months or so.

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