Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is not how this guy explains it. He even said an ex 49er lineman, who played under Shanahan, stated the same thing.

https://youtu.be/Z9neccxOFd0

Yeah, it's possible. We'll never know for certain unless Kyle Shanahan comes out and says it. Matt Ryan has said in the past that Alex Mack handled all protection calls in Atlanta so who knows.

But even numbers and a 13-year vet center. It shouldn't happen, especially not on the first play of the game.

That's a fan take. Alex Mack himself confirmed he makes the protection calls when he got here. He said Kyle likes to take that off his QB's plate since he already has so much to deal with pre snap.

My question on that play is did Mack think the RB was going to stay in and protect there, instead of getting split out before the snap.

That's very possible. With so many changes at RB, it's very possible a RB missed a pass protection assignment. That's why I always talk about unit pass protection as the team's biggest weakness (top 2/3) as that includes the TE, FB and RB's as well and overall, that's not a good unit at all in pass protection either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
Is he still not practicing?

Nope. We're replacing a injury prone QB with possibly another injury prone QB. Weeeee

pretty much....but you know he's not bias at all, dude hasn't even tried to hide it and get's upset if you call him out

If he's a 49er, he's injury prone now.

Only two players have ever escaped the curse: DeForest Buckner and Dontae Johnson

Originally posted by NCommand:
You've got it backwards. When your QB is getting rid of the ball top 5-7 fastest every year AND getting hit 125 times a year, that's 100% on pass protection.

Look at how many Trey fans are already noticing the pass protection now and he's GOING to hold it much longer than Garoppolo.

Double standard.

And my original point all along was no matter the style of QB, pass protection is critical. Hell, I even argued it was MORE important for a raw rookie like Trey so he doesn't develop early poor habits.

But many fans just figured a mobile QB could transcend poor pass protection. That's been one of the biggest fallacies on this board.

Nah you said TTT was a PP stat and used it over and over....then when I told you it has more to do with play-calling and QB style you decided to move goalposts...but please change it up now NC. Missing reads are just as much an issue, but you never talk about that. You use the term "unit blocking" which in fact means QB play as well.

No one ever said PP doesn't matter, that's your problem...you're making up all these arguments and fighting people in here that don't exist. We all see McG getting beat and while it's not every play, it's an issue. NO ONE ever said it wasn't.

Yes go tell that to Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, Watson NONE have/had outstanding lineman across the board and yet their "mobility" helps everything. Knowing where to go with the ball pre-snap is stupid important. You think Jimmy is great at that? I don't. Clearly Lance isn't, he's a 21 yr old kid with less then 400 passing attempts in his career from college to now.

It was painfully obvious that this OL had little to no snaps with Lance from May-Oct. We all saw the reports, there's freaking google docs by Lombardi lol. You have to PP differently for a guy that can move, compare to a guy like Jimmy....YOU YOURSELF said that in you long list of continuing PP issues (PP for in the pocket QBs vs mobile QBs) There is no continuity with the OL, Lance, and our WRs right now BECAUSE they've never played together.

Lance needs to understand & trust his reads better, that only happens with more playing time. The OL needs to play better no doubt, Mack and Brunskill had horrible games vs some very good DL. Lance moving actually HELPED a porous OL that game. I was told Banks was some PP monster and he's been a ghost

Originally posted by NCommand:
If he's a 49er, he's injury prone now.

Only two players have ever escaped the curse: DeForest Buckner and Dontae Johnson

The whole I didn't want Lance so I'll make up s**t is pretty lame though....bangs his finger on a helmet in TC and getting a knee strain after doing next to nothing for 4 months, I mean give me a break. Imagine sitting on the bench for months then all of a sudden being forced to go balls to the wall, we see guys put in that position get "hurt" all the time.

This is the same poster who's defended Jimmy at all costs forever...now he's trying to push a injury narrative yeah I don't think so.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is not how this guy explains it. He even said an ex 49er lineman, who played under Shanahan, stated the same thing.

https://youtu.be/Z9neccxOFd0

Yeah, it's possible. We'll never know for certain unless Kyle Shanahan comes out and says it. Matt Ryan has said in the past that Alex Mack handled all protection calls in Atlanta so who knows.

But even numbers and a 13-year vet center. It shouldn't happen, especially not on the first play of the game.

That's a fan take. Alex Mack himself confirmed he makes the protection calls when he got here. He said Kyle likes to take that off his QB's plate since he already has so much to deal with pre snap.

So I went back and tried to find Alex Mack making this statement and the only thing I can find is your post from back in July. You posted a link to an article that stated the center was responsible for protection calls. It wasn't a quote. It was a statement by the writer. Guess who that writer was? The same guy who also made the video that I posted. lol

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/7/13/22575728/49ers-90-in-90-alex-mack-is-just-what-the-doctor-ordered-for-the-niners-ol

Question for the Lance should sit a yr folks....So he's "red shirt" from basically May-Oct now and got one week to "prepare" to play against the best team in the NFL. Do you think he's developed over that 5+ month time span? From what you saw in that game, is he that much better then when he showed up at Santa Clara after the draft?

Also do you think if he did start week 1 (and got first string reps in TC camp like a bunch of other rookie QBs) do you truthfully think he would look better vs AZ in week 5 or the same? I mean according to you folks he should look better because he's "sat and learned" for the past 5 months or so.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You've got it backwards. When your QB is getting rid of the ball top 5-7 fastest every year AND getting hit 125 times a year, that's 100% on pass protection.

Look at how many Trey fans are already noticing the pass protection now and he's GOING to hold it much longer than Garoppolo.

Double standard.

And my original point all along was no matter the style of QB, pass protection is critical. Hell, I even argued it was MORE important for a raw rookie like Trey so he doesn't develop early poor habits.

But many fans just figured a mobile QB could transcend poor pass protection. That's been one of the biggest fallacies on this board.

Nah you said TTT was a PP stat and used it over and over....then when I told you it has more to do with play-calling and QB style you decided to move goalposts...but please change it up now NC. Missing reads are just as much an issue, but you never talk about that. You use the term "unit blocking" which in fact means QB play as well.

No one ever said PP doesn't matter, that's your problem...you're making up all these arguments and fighting people in here that don't exist. We all see McG getting beat and while it's not every play, it's an issue. NO ONE ever said it wasn't.

Yes go tell that to Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Herbert, Watson NONE have/had outstanding lineman across the board and yet their "mobility" helps everything. Knowing where to go with the ball pre-snap is stupid important. You think Jimmy is great at that? I don't. Clearly Lance isn't, he's a 21 yr old kid with less then 400 passing attempts in his career from college to now.

It was painfully obvious that this OL had little to no snaps with Lance from May-Oct. We all saw the reports, there's freaking google docs by Lombardi lol. You have to PP differently for a guy that can move, compare to a guy like Jimmy....YOU YOURSELF said that in you long list of continuing PP issues (PP for in the pocket QBs vs mobile QBs) There is no continuity with the OL, Lance, and our WRs right now BECAUSE they've never played together.

Lance needs to understand & trust his reads better, that only happens with more playing time. The OL needs to play better no doubt, Mack and Brunskill had horrible games vs some very good DL. Lance moving actually HELPED a porous OL that game. I was told Banks was some PP monster and he's been a ghost

So weird. I've been writing the same thing verbatim for years and years and years and you still have it all twisted.

Then again you were the leading mouthpiece that a mobile QB can transcend an OL. It was laughable then and it's laughable now.

I agree with the rest of your takes though.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is not how this guy explains it. He even said an ex 49er lineman, who played under Shanahan, stated the same thing.

https://youtu.be/Z9neccxOFd0

Yeah, it's possible. We'll never know for certain unless Kyle Shanahan comes out and says it. Matt Ryan has said in the past that Alex Mack handled all protection calls in Atlanta so who knows.

But even numbers and a 13-year vet center. It shouldn't happen, especially not on the first play of the game.

That's a fan take. Alex Mack himself confirmed he makes the protection calls when he got here. He said Kyle likes to take that off his QB's plate since he already has so much to deal with pre snap.

So I went back and tried to find Alex Mack making this statement and the only thing I can find is your post from back in July. You posted a link to an article that stated the center was responsible for protection calls. It wasn't a quote. It was a statement by the writer. Guess who that writer was? The same guy who also made the video that I posted. lol

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/7/13/22575728/49ers-90-in-90-alex-mack-is-just-what-the-doctor-ordered-for-the-niners-ol

IIRC, Mack's was a video talking about it. I think Kyle's talked about the C being responsible for the protections which is why it was tough having Brunskill and so many others, Mack, Ryan, etc.

Do you think the QB calls the protections?

His very own fan confirmation. You see the irony in this, right?

In Kyle Shanahan's offense, the center is responsible for setting the protections and making the line calls.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
That is not how this guy explains it. He even said an ex 49er lineman, who played under Shanahan, stated the same thing.

https://youtu.be/Z9neccxOFd0

Yeah, it's possible. We'll never know for certain unless Kyle Shanahan comes out and says it. Matt Ryan has said in the past that Alex Mack handled all protection calls in Atlanta so who knows.

But even numbers and a 13-year vet center. It shouldn't happen, especially not on the first play of the game.

That's a fan take. Alex Mack himself confirmed he makes the protection calls when he got here. He said Kyle likes to take that off his QB's plate since he already has so much to deal with pre snap.

So I went back and tried to find Alex Mack making this statement and the only thing I can find is your post from back in July. You posted a link to an article that stated the center was responsible for protection calls. It wasn't a quote. It was a statement by the writer. Guess who that writer was? The same guy who also made the video that I posted. lol

https://www.ninersnation.com/2021/7/13/22575728/49ers-90-in-90-alex-mack-is-just-what-the-doctor-ordered-for-the-niners-ol

a "fan's take"



I do think the center has a ton of responsibility in protection calls no matter the scheme, the QB always plays a big part in it. Can't tell me otherwise.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If he's a 49er, he's injury prone now.

Only two players have ever escaped the curse: DeForest Buckner and Dontae Johnson

The whole I didn't want Lance so I'll make up s**t is pretty lame though....bangs his finger on a helmet in TC and getting a knee strain after doing next to nothing for 4 months, I mean give me a break. Imagine sitting on the bench for months then all of a sudden being forced to go balls to the wall, we see guys put in that position get "hurt" all the time.

This is the same poster who's defended Jimmy at all costs forever...now he's trying to push a injury narrative yeah I don't think so.

Hey, these aren't my facts. They're just facts.

No college injury history. He becomes a 49er and bam, finger and knee injury in 50 snaps.

Then again, you've denied our injury issues for 7 straight years and thought fans were overreacting to Kinlaw's knee too.

So...LOL

I wasn't a fan of Trey coming out of college. He was third on my list of who we should have taken at #3. I was a supporter of Jimmy starting day one. I thought Trey was far from ready after watching his preseason. After 4 weeks into the season and realizing we aren't the sb caliber team I thought we were. Also, after watching Trey play against Arizona and seeing how he improved from preseason to now. I am convinced of the high ceiling this kid has and I believe he should be given the start the rest of the season when healthy. While I do believe Jimmy gives us the best chance of making the playoffs, I don't believe that the season is an automatic loss with Trey starting. I just think we should focus on getting him ready for next season.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
a "fan's take"



I do think the center has a ton of responsibility in protection calls no matter the scheme, the QB always plays a big part in it. Can't tell me otherwise.

Kyle Posey is a fan and part of a pod (ain't great). He's literally contradicting himself. LOL

Sure, a QB can see a blitzer and point it out to the C to call the protections in case he missed it.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I wasn't a fan of Trey coming out of college. He was third on my list of who we should have taken at #3. I was a supporter of Jimmy starting day one. I thought Trey was far from ready after watching his preseason. After 4 weeks into the season and realizing we aren't the sb caliber team I thought we were. Also, after watching Trey play against Arizona and seeing how he improved from preseason to now. I am convinced of the high ceiling this kid has and I believe he should be given the start the rest of the season when healthy. While I do believe Jimmy gives us the best chance of making the playoffs, I don't believe that the season is an automatic loss with Trey starting. I just think we should focus on getting him ready for next season.

Yeah, get him ready for next year, but still feed him a couple snaps though out the season, to get his feet wet.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
a "fan's take"



I do think the center has a ton of responsibility in protection calls no matter the scheme, the QB always plays a big part in it. Can't tell me otherwise.

Kyle Posey is a fan and a pod (ain't great). He's literally contradicting himself. LOL

Sure, a QB can see a blitzer and point it out to the C to call the protections in case he missed it.

Posey knows more about football then most in here...not right all the time, but you can't pick which "take" you want from him and then call him a fan at the same time

I agree the center is super important to every offense, including making protection calls. A QB is very important to all of that just as well. It's not one or the other. "unit blocking"

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If he's a 49er, he's injury prone now.

Only two players have ever escaped the curse: DeForest Buckner and Dontae Johnson

The whole I didn't want Lance so I'll make up s**t is pretty lame though....bangs his finger on a helmet in TC and getting a knee strain after doing next to nothing for 4 months, I mean give me a break. Imagine sitting on the bench for months then all of a sudden being forced to go balls to the wall, we see guys put in that position get "hurt" all the time.

This is the same poster who's defended Jimmy at all costs forever...now he's trying to push a injury narrative yeah I don't think so.

I've said for a few weeks now I'm not defending Jimmy anymore, he's been mediocre this season and tired of the injuries. I don't get attached to players anymore, in a way I haven't been since the year we lost T.O., Hearst, & Garcia in the same offseason . As far as Trey, 2 injuries in a 1 month span is not a good look, that's not trolling . And It's comical how butthurt you get when someone doesn't give praise to your baby boy Trey, so you have to make things up to fit your narrative, Youre still saying I'm bias? I thought he looked great for most of the preseason game against KC despite some bad drops by the WRs, everything else hes left a lot to be desired.

Also not sure why TheSnore49er still replies to me, I've put him on mute for months now. It's weird