Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

a very fair an objective breakdown of Lance's first NFL start good/bad

Stopped reading an article about Lance's first start because the 2nd sentence was "In his first NFL start, however, it seems the 49ers wanted Lance to be Garoppolo."

Originally posted by NYniner85:
a very fair an objective breakdown of Lance's first NFL start good/bad

Really good breakdown on Trey Lance's debut via @MarkSchofield. https://t.co/ai8jx0rYNC

— #Kyle Madson (@KyleAMadson) October 13, 2021

haha that's the article I was just referencing.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
a very fair an objective breakdown of Lance's first NFL start good/bad

Really good breakdown on Trey Lance's debut via @MarkSchofield. https://t.co/ai8jx0rYNC

— #Kyle Madson (@KyleAMadson) October 13, 2021

haha that's the article I was just referencing.

I thought it was a great breakdown of some good and bad plays. Schofield knows what he's talking about.

I believe this is what he was referring too...

Now, he ended up in a great spot with Shanahan, and there are elements of the offense he ran at NDSU that mirror concepts in Shanahan's system, but the balancing act for the 49ers between a "Garoppolo" offense and a "Lance" offense is going to be tricky. Many of these designs relied heavily on timing and rhythm, which fit well with Garoppolo's game, but not the rookie quarterback making his first start.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
a very fair an objective breakdown of Lance's first NFL start good/bad

Really good breakdown on Trey Lance's debut via @MarkSchofield. https://t.co/ai8jx0rYNC

— #Kyle Madson (@KyleAMadson) October 13, 2021

haha that's the article I was just referencing.

I thought it was a great breakdown of some good and bad plays. Schofield knows what he's talking about.

I believe this is what he was referring too...

Now, he ended up in a great spot with Shanahan, and there are elements of the offense he ran at NDSU that mirror concepts in Shanahan's system, but the balancing act for the 49ers between a "Garoppolo" offense and a "Lance" offense is going to be tricky. Many of these designs relied heavily on timing and rhythm, which fit well with Garoppolo's game, but not the rookie quarterback making his first start.

I don't know. Most passing plays rely on timing and rhythm to an extent. I'm not sure what plays he wants called.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:
We ran that play vs tha Packers to convert a 4th down. Juice f**ked up big time. Trey would have a walk in TD with Mitchell and Trent leading the way. You can see Trent Sheffield coming in for the crack block to set the edge.

On everyone's favorite 4th down play call from Sunday.

Shanahan mentioned in his presser that something went wrong with this play.

IMO it looks like Jusczyk was supposed to pitch this ball to Trey Lance who would have had a convoy to the end zone pic.twitter.com/glwj6BzwZn

— Jr (@SammyJunyuhh) October 12, 2021

Omg...what was juice doing. That was a designed pitch.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:
best case scenario for anyone not living in fantasy land

Rookie: red shirt season/ learning Shannys complex playbook

sophomore: first year as full-time starter with a year of studying the playbook under his belt, still green as a player, but ton of promise with a good chance to compete in the playoffs

3rd season: he's ready to go, shows us why we traded so much for him as the team contends for a super bowl and Trey becomes a yearly mvp candidate

It's not even about the playbook though...Kyle said the kid had no problem digesting it. The problem is he hasn't played football. His rookie yr will be his sophomore yr if he doesn't play meaningful snaps this yr.

Learning the playbook doesn't mean anything if you don't get to apply it during live reps (game speed). You can watch all the film in the world, but that means nothing if you can't see it with guys coming down on you every play... It's much different seeing cover 0 pre-snap only to see them switch to zone with JJ Watt/Jones coming down on you vs a coach asking you what you would do while watching the film... You can't replicate that by sitting on the bench.

IMO I think he should start as soon as he's healthy. I get Jimmy going in if Kyle truthfully thinks he gives this team a massively better chance to win ( I don't think there's that much of an advantage though, just my opinion). BUT as soon as he either gets hurt again, plays like avg joe, or loses a couple games, Trey without question should play and should play for the rest of the season.

Yeah, Kyle simply went with a game plan that was as easy and familiar as possible for Trey. It was simply a college offensive game plan. And against a defense that knew we'd never throw deep and after a few snaps, knew how to defend the "extended running game," it was encouraging he was still able to help move the ball esp. with so many 1st and 2nd and 12+'s and virtually zero receiving threats.

I definitely can see either starting and don't have a massive preference (right now).

That said, IF Trey starts, we've got to see some play action (with his back to the defense), snaps under C, bootlegs, roll-outs, quick slants, etc. of the more traditional offense otherwise it's almost a waste of snaps and development.

What we saw last weekend is nothing like what we'll see going forward so his production is mostly moot to me as it wasn't production within Kyle's actual offense.

That doesn't mean there weren't a number of good things and film to draw from. Hard lessons, so to speak.

Also, if he strained his MCL, it's unlikely we'll see much lateral movement from him and most will be straight-ahead QB designed runs. That's OK as he's most familiar with those.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. Most passing plays rely on timing and rhythm to an extent. I'm not sure what plays he wants called.

Go watch Murray in AZ or Wilson in Seattle I do agree to a point you need timing and rhythm to an extent.

I think the offense plan went out the window when they kept getting in those 1st/2nd and longs all game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
I don't know. Most passing plays rely on timing and rhythm to an extent. I'm not sure what plays he wants called.

Go watch Murray in AZ or Wilson in Seattle I do agree to a point you need timing and rhythm to an extent.

I think the offense plan went out the window when they kept getting in those 1st/2nd and longs all game.

Timimg and rhythm are the foundation of the offense. Progressions getting open at different integrals.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle simply went with a game plan that was as easy and familiar as possible for Trey. It was simply a college offensive game plan. And against a defense that knew we'd never throw deep and after a few snaps, knew how to defend the "extended running game," it was encouraging he was still able to help move the ball esp. with so many 1st and 2nd and 12+'s and virtually zero receiving threats.

I definitely can see either starting and don't have a massive preference (right now).

That said, IF Trey starts, we've got to see some play action (with his back to the defense), snaps under C, bootlegs, roll-outs, quick slants, etc. of the more traditional offense otherwise it's almost a waste of snaps and development.

What we saw last weekend is nothing like what we'll see going forward so his production is mostly moot to me as it wasn't production within Kyle's actual offense.

That doesn't mean there weren't a number of good things and film to draw from. Hard lessons, so to speak.

Also, if he strained his MCL, it's unlikely we'll see much lateral movement from him and most will be straight-ahead QB designed runs. That's OK as he's most familiar with those.

I get what you're saying, I would like to see some more of those traditional snaps. I do think they were in there, he just didn't execute all them on time...shocker for a first time rookie with damn near no snaps with the starters and not playing football. Also where are you getting the AZ knew we weren't gonna push the ball downfield? film doesn't really back that up.

It's just like Watson/Allen/Jackson early in their careers...they missed reads, but extended plays and made s**t happen. Now the game is slowing down for them and the playbook is opened up.

knee sprain isn't gonna change anything with Lance's ability to run.

Kid just needs to play football and that will make the game slow down for him. That will help with his mechanics as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Timimg and rhythm are the foundation of the offense. Progressions getting open at different integrals.

and there are different forms of timing/rhythm throws. There are easier reads. No one should objectively think Lance should get the full playbook thrown at him. No one should objectively think he will be on the same page as a 8 yr vet who's been in the system for 4 yrs and expect the same results (even if those results are meh). No on should objectively think Kyle shouldn't use Lance's skill set.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle simply went with a game plan that was as easy and familiar as possible for Trey. It was simply a college offensive game plan. And against a defense that knew we'd never throw deep and after a few snaps, knew how to defend the "extended running game," it was encouraging he was still able to help move the ball esp. with so many 1st and 2nd and 12+'s and virtually zero receiving threats.

I definitely can see either starting and don't have a massive preference (right now).

That said, IF Trey starts, we've got to see some play action (with his back to the defense), snaps under C, bootlegs, roll-outs, quick slants, etc. of the more traditional offense otherwise it's almost a waste of snaps and development.

What we saw last weekend is nothing like what we'll see going forward so his production is mostly moot to me as it wasn't production within Kyle's actual offense.

That doesn't mean there weren't a number of good things and film to draw from. Hard lessons, so to speak.

Also, if he strained his MCL, it's unlikely we'll see much lateral movement from him and most will be straight-ahead QB designed runs. That's OK as he's most familiar with those.

I strongly disagree with the bolded. The Cardinals DBs were playing off a LOT and they kept a safety very deep for much of the game. There are several plays where the deep safety is barely in the frame on the sideline view of coaches film.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Timimg and rhythm are the foundation of the offense. Progressions getting open at different integrals.

and there are different forms of timing/rhythm throws. There are easier reads. No one should objectively think Lance should get the full playbook thrown at him. No one should objectively think he will be on the same page as a 8 yr vet who's been in the system for 4 yrs and expect the same results (even if those results are meh). No on should objectively think Kyle shouldn't use Lance's skill set.

When can I start thinking it was some b******t that he was breaking down NFL film when he was in college though? Cause the cynical part of me is starting to think we were all lied too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yeah, Kyle simply went with a game plan that was as easy and familiar as possible for Trey. It was simply a college offensive game plan. And against a defense that knew we'd never throw deep and after a few snaps, knew how to defend the "extended running game," it was encouraging he was still able to help move the ball esp. with so many 1st and 2nd and 12+'s and virtually zero receiving threats.

I definitely can see either starting and don't have a massive preference (right now).

That said, IF Trey starts, we've got to see some play action (with his back to the defense), snaps under C, bootlegs, roll-outs, quick slants, etc. of the more traditional offense otherwise it's almost a waste of snaps and development.

What we saw last weekend is nothing like what we'll see going forward so his production is mostly moot to me as it wasn't production within Kyle's actual offense.

That doesn't mean there weren't a number of good things and film to draw from. Hard lessons, so to speak.

Also, if he strained his MCL, it's unlikely we'll see much lateral movement from him and most will be straight-ahead QB designed runs. That's OK as he's most familiar with those.

I get what you're saying, I would like to see some more of those traditional snaps. I do think they were in there, he just didn't execute all them on time...shocker for a first time rookie with damn near no snaps with the starters and not playing football. Also where are you getting the AZ knew we weren't gonna push the ball downfield? film doesn't really back that up.

It's just like Watson/Allen/Jackson early in their careers...they missed reads, but extended plays and made s**t happen. Now the game is slowing down for them and the playbook is opened up.

knee sprain isn't gonna change anything with Lance's ability to run.

Kid just needs to play football and that will make the game slow down for him. That will help with his mechanics as well.

Yeah and that's nothing against Trey at all. Or even Kyle at this stage. But he was only in shotgun and pistol formations. No under C, no bootlegs, roll outs and no play action. Those are staples of the offense and I'd like to see a few incorporated esp. the PA's as those take a full 2 seconds to implement with his back to the defense, then has to set, scan and throw within .5-1 second which is esp. important because of our PP at times.