Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

I'd take him being either one

Originally posted by BSofSF:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BSofSF:
Why don't I compare him to Josh Allen? Because I don't watch Josh Allen play much. I watch the 49ers. I agree that Lance is more fluid of an athlete than Kaepernick. The similarities I see are more in the passing. Strong arms, but lacking precision and touch. I'll stop there because there will be no appeasing a man who has 85,000 posts.

Lol what in the world does my post count have to do with anything? Literally nothing...I simply disagree with your comparison, it's very closeminded and I can see why, you don't watch anything but 49er games apparently.

If "close-minded" is watching the sports and activities of my three kids rather than DVR-ing Josh Allen, yeah, give me some more of that. And the reference to your 85,000 posts is that, in your NY-style, you're going to just pave over other peoples opinion with volume to keep your narrative rolling. Go Jets! Or are you a Giants man?

Nobody is clowning you for spending time with your kids lmao. You come in here and give a strong opinion about how Lance is like Kap. Then when you're told you're wrong, you double down with ignorance and flaunt it.

This thing about mobile QBs getting injured too often is an old fallacy like not going swimming after a meal or getting the flu from a flu shot. Face it. players at all positions get hurt. Linemen suffer some of the most serious injuries in football because of the chaos surrounding the action in the trenches. QBs have often gotten caught up in that. I wish I could see how many injuries happen when a player falls on another player by accident.

Originally posted by BSofSF:
If "close-minded" is watching the sports and activities of my three kids rather than DVR-ing Josh Allen, yeah, give me some more of that. And the reference to your 85,000 posts is that, in your NY-style, you're going to just pave over other peoples opinion with volume to keep your narrative rolling. Go Jets! Or are you a Giants man?

Lol in my 85K posts you literally know nothing about me clearly with the NJ or Giants comment. You don't know where I came from or who I grew up watching...but yeah please continue.

What's the point in comparing him to someone if you've watched no one outside of some 49er games? Why not compare him to Steve young then? Tossing out every bad thing a "failed" QB did sure sounds like narrative pushing to me.

Also what is my narrative then? I simply think his game resembles other QBs in the league. I think his path to success if closer to what Josh Allen had to do. Not saying he will become him, just that they are very similar. How is that a narrative?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
This thing about mobile QBs getting injured too often is an old fallacy like not going swimming after a meal or getting the flu from a flu shot. Face it. players at all positions get hurt. Linemen suffer some of the most serious injuries in football because of the chaos surrounding the action in the trenches. QBs have often gotten caught up in that. I wish I could see how many injuries happen when a player falls on another player by accident.

Wild s**t is we have a prime example on our roster in Jimmy G

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

Who's saying that? I said Lamar killed the Colts D and we play them next. I think Lance could find success there.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You're the one saying how s**tty indys defense is. One player doesn't make a defense. Yes, Buckner should have never been traded.

Back to Lamar, he looks great against s**tty defenses. There is no way around it. He is a special player, but he needs to get over that hump. And Lance is nowhere near the runner Lamar is. Lamar is superfast and ellusive. Lance looks much slower and not ellusive at all. I guess that GPS wasn't accurate.

They looked s**tty last night vs Lamar yes.

Lamar knows when to get down, Lance is a work in progress there for sure. He doesn't have to be Lamar as a runner to have success with his feet though...he avg what 5.6 YPC and almost 100 yards on the ground on Sunday? He moved around in the pocket and escaped pressure, I'm sure he missed some reads but that will happen with a kid that hasn't played football in over a yr. Still AZ was bringing heat on him from the start of the game. Overall he played better than I thought he would.

Not sure why people think a 230 QB would be as "elusive" as a 210lb QB to begin with.

Ok so now Lance doesn't have elite speed or ellusiveness. He doesn't have elite accuracy or touch. He doesn't have elite power when running. . So why was he drafted using three first rounders. Something is wrong.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Franchise408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol how is more meaningful? That does not factor in YAC. We're talking about QB play. There's a reason why everyone focuses on IAY and ADot it is a MUCH better reflection of what the QB is doing overall…but I'm sure if his numbers were better you'd be all about it

Because YPA show how the offense is actually moving.
IAY does not.

IAY don't count for more than YAC yards. You're just obsessed with meaningless IAY.

It's literally a madden stat that was incorporated into FF that is now being used to judge real time NFL players by fans on this forum. Crazy stuff....

...and it's a disparaging stat for Jimmy for the anything-but-Jimmy crowd. That's the reality of it. If anything air yards tell us more about Kyle than anything.

TTT is far more informative. For instance, if your QB is top 5 annually in getting rid of the ball quickly, but he's still getting hit 125 times a year (top 2), what does that tell you about your pass protection? If your QB is up near or over 3sec, what do you need for pass protection and what do you expect in holdings and P.I. calls?

I just spent 20 minutes finding a correlation between winning and IAY/PA. The five QBs who have won the most since 2018 average being ranked 10 in that "meaningless" stat, and 12 in YPA. It's not meaningless. You just don't like the reality that our starting QB is limited in where he can successfully attack the field, and you refuse to believe that is a weakness.

Thank you for doing that but you're missing the boat. This isn't about the QB. It's about Kyle and his 13, now 14 years of evidence no matter the QB.

Nah everyone in here says there's no correlation YET there seems to be... if you truthfully believe if Kyle had Watson/Mahomes/Allen as his QB that he would take away their skill set and make them damn near bottom of the league in IAY I would say I don't buy it.

I mean Matt Ryan's 2016 MVP year his IAY was 9...that's not elite but it's FAR from what Jimmy has been (like 2.5 yards more). I can't find AY from 2009 but every other metric from matt schaub (and film) shows he wasn't bottom of the league in IAY in Houston (especially 2009).

I already said you can expect Trey to have higher AIY. But that's NOT by Kyle's design. It'll be on off schedule plays where running QB's almost always look deep driving their TTT and AIY up significantly.

When you play within Kyle's system, unless you have effective speedsters and Julio Jones, it's going to be mid tier at best. That's the WCO.

Like Eric Davis noted when Kyle brought up Travis Benjamin. Mahomes only throws 4 or 5 deeper passes a game but the perception is he's throwing 20 a game. The reality is they do RUN many deeper routes but those are designed "ghost routes" to clear out underneath, higher % passes. We saw that with Marquise Goodwin too here.

How many deep shots did Kyle draw up last game knowing full well that's Trey's strength and knowing the defense would be keying in on the box and running game?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

Who's saying that? I said Lamar killed the Colts D and we play them next. I think Lance could find success there.

Given you're trying to use Lamar Jackson as proof a running QB (who gets hurt) but doesn't miss games as an example, it seems you're trying to draw a parallel, moving from him becoming pocket-focused Josh Allen to Lamar Jackson since Kyle most recently had him being the team's leading rusher in attempts and yards.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

It's hard to keep up. Mahomes to Allen to Herbert to Jackson. LOL

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You're the one saying how s**tty indys defense is. One player doesn't make a defense. Yes, Buckner should have never been traded.

Back to Lamar, he looks great against s**tty defenses. There is no way around it. He is a special player, but he needs to get over that hump. And Lance is nowhere near the runner Lamar is. Lamar is superfast and ellusive. Lance looks much slower and not ellusive at all. I guess that GPS wasn't accurate.

They looked s**tty last night vs Lamar yes.

Lamar knows when to get down, Lance is a work in progress there for sure. He doesn't have to be Lamar as a runner to have success with his feet though...he avg what 5.6 YPC and almost 100 yards on the ground on Sunday? He moved around in the pocket and escaped pressure, I'm sure he missed some reads but that will happen with a kid that hasn't played football in over a yr. Still AZ was bringing heat on him from the start of the game. Overall he played better than I thought he would.

Not sure why people think a 230 QB would be as "elusive" as a 210lb QB to begin with.

Ok so now Lance doesn't have elite speed or ellusiveness. He doesn't have elite accuracy or touch. He doesn't have elite power when running. . So why was he drafted using three first rounders. Something is wrong.

Does Lawrence have elite speed or elusiveness? Elite accuracy? Elite power? I can't believe he got drafted #1

Look at all those "elite" traits from Burrow, and he was still was the #1 QB. What are teams doing not drafting based on just one attribute? Idiots!

The only thing that makes these type of stupid posts okay, is bc I know every fan base has these fans.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just to be clear, Lance is no longer Josh Allen but Lamar Jackson? Awesome.

It's hard to keep up. Mahomes to Allen to Herbert to Jackson. LOL

Who compared him to Jackson? Why do you need to troll as well?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
You're the one saying how s**tty indys defense is. One player doesn't make a defense. Yes, Buckner should have never been traded.

Back to Lamar, he looks great against s**tty defenses. There is no way around it. He is a special player, but he needs to get over that hump. And Lance is nowhere near the runner Lamar is. Lamar is superfast and ellusive. Lance looks much slower and not ellusive at all. I guess that GPS wasn't accurate.

They looked s**tty last night vs Lamar yes.

Lamar knows when to get down, Lance is a work in progress there for sure. He doesn't have to be Lamar as a runner to have success with his feet though...he avg what 5.6 YPC and almost 100 yards on the ground on Sunday? He moved around in the pocket and escaped pressure, I'm sure he missed some reads but that will happen with a kid that hasn't played football in over a yr. Still AZ was bringing heat on him from the start of the game. Overall he played better than I thought he would.

Not sure why people think a 230 QB would be as "elusive" as a 210lb QB to begin with.

Ok so now Lance doesn't have elite speed or ellusiveness. He doesn't have elite accuracy or touch. He doesn't have elite power when running. . So why was he drafted using three first rounders. Something is wrong.

Does Lawrence have elite speed or elusiveness? Elite accuracy? Elite power? I can't believe he got drafted #1

Look at all those "elite" traits from Burrow, and he was still was the #1 QB. What are teams doing not drafting based on just one attribute? Idiots!

The only that makes these type of stupid posts okay, is bc I know every fan base has these fans.

Is this serious? We saw Burrow and Lawrence in college and what they brought to the table. Lance was drafted on pure speculation. What could be. Potential. But now I'm hearing he doesn't have elite speed. He's not ellusive. He clearly isn't accurate and definitely doesn't have touch. So on what basis was he drafted so high? Josh Allen was the outlier. And even then he clearly is bigger and stronger than Lance.