Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
What?
That drive was awesome, a great stop doesn't change that fact imo.

You are joking right? You better be, otherwise you need to get some glasses.

He's trolling. Bitter Jimmy fan who's happy that Trey is struggling so he can say "I told you so."

Butthurt? It never ceases to amaze me that people are refusing to see facts. The kid is NOT ready!! And damn right I TOLD YOU SO too!!

He's more than ready. Better than watching Jimmy play.

You call this train wreck ready?!

You need to go and watch some Kap tape. That is what you call ready and not this s**te!! Go and watch his first start against the Bears and tell me you were wrong cos you had dirt in your eyes.

Bro, learn to be objective. Trey Lance is a longgggggg way from being ready. Jimmy might not be the second coming, but if you still relish any slight chance of winning more games, then Jimmy is your man and not Trey. Trey will sink the ship.

Kap wasn't a rookie that game. Not sure why the comparison is even being made because of that.

Stick with Jimmy right now but if the Niners get to the point where the playoffs is a pipe dream they need to let Lance finish out the season as the starter. After week 9 we will know what the chances are of the Niners making the playoffs. They have to win atleast two of the next 3 to still have hope.

Originally posted by DrippinGoldnRed805:
Are you really buying into the KS Lance was his first choice during the draft hmmm I felt like he was trying to get Lance hurt today with those QB run plays

Those play calls were WHY Shanahan wanted him. But the plan wasn't to start him until he was more developed as a passer.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"He definitely runs the ball hard," Nick Bosa says of Trey Lance. "He might need to learn how to slide."

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) October 11, 2021

He really does.

Maybe he saw how the team reacted when Jimmy went headfirst into two defenders to get a TD in a preseason game and thought they'd like him more if he did the same.

More likely he saw the line he needed to get to and tried to do so.

Right, I don't think he actually thought about that preseason play at all lol. I just find it funny how there were people that were praising Jimmy for that play (in a meaningless preseason game!) who are now turning around and saying that Trey needs to learn that you can't do that in the NFL.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"He definitely runs the ball hard," Nick Bosa says of Trey Lance. "He might need to learn how to slide."

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) October 11, 2021

He really does.

Maybe he saw how the team reacted when Jimmy went headfirst into two defenders to get a TD in a preseason game and thought they'd like him more if he did the same.

More likely he saw the line he needed to get to and tried to do so.

Or he forgot what level of football he was playing in. I was surprised he didnt go airborne for the goal line but just one persons guess is that he was used to winning those collisions back in college and got introduced to how things work at this level no matter your size... not gonna be able to run over 2-3 defenders as a QB no matter the size.

Lance really needs to work on that release in the off-season. Gonna be a lot of picks and bat downs when you give guys so much time to react

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

You mean the guys that SF just made the highest paid players at their position? I think they're gonna be just fine. Did those guys stop playing when Mullens/CJ were the starters?

maybe they realize that Jimmy vs Lance isn't this crazy thing like fans/media are making it out to be…the way Lance played yesterday showed those vets he's willing to do whatever to win.

Let's stop acting like Jimmy G is some pro-bowl QB and we're just tossing in the towel because he's not playing…

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

It's not a slap in the face to the vets to bench a bad player and Jimmy has been a bad player this year. If the vets grumble about it, show them his PFF scores.

LMAO. PFF scores? Really? You think Kyle or the players give 2 F's about PFF scores? Here's straight from the horses mouth from one of those vets about it:
Trent Williams in 2020:
"In pass pro, I was pretty clean. Out of 74 plays, I probably wish I had four-to-five back, the penalties are on me, bonehead penalties I have to erase from the game," Williams said. "Pass protection, I had a pretty clean sheet. Public perception can think some things are on you, but in-house, we kind of know they're not. So, that's a tough deal to juggle with, dealing with perception versus reality."

Pro Football Focus gave the seven-time Pro Bowler a pass-blocking grade of 63.7, second-worst behind Daniel Brunskill. Several media members stated that it was the worst game of Williams' career, but the hulking offensive lineman says outsiders don't get the game's little details.

"We're all grown, we're all professionals. We understand — especially as offensive lineman — that not everybody knows our responsibilities and knows things [we have] to do from one play to another," Williams said. "A lot of people know football, and they can make educated guesses, but things change every week and techniques change every week. Part of being a professional you have to know what's reality and what's perception."

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Anyone who thinks Trey looked bad hasn't been watching the other rookies. f**king idiots 🤣🤣🤣

Other rookies show promise. Name one pass play that Trey impressed. I can't. Not one.

Where was the deep sideline pass? Oh yeah the one to deebo that was out of bounds. I like the kid, good kid, but he's not accurate. He's not a qb. You can't teach accuracy. No touch and no accuracy. The worst combination.

Are you serious? He made multiple big boy passes. That laser to Aiyuk on 3rd and long. That beautiful throw to Sanu as well on the flat. You are tripping.

Ive been Watching football for 40 years. I know a good qb when I see it. He ain't one.

Oh?

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/186526-patrick-mahomes-qb/page51/

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I don't want this guy. Doesn't seem like a team player, Never goes through his progressions, another kaepernick. No thanks.

Your 40 years informed you that Mahomes was another kaepernick.

GOODNIGHT

Originally posted by 49ERnation:
Lance really needs to work on that release in the off-season. Gonna be a lot of picks and bat downs when you give guys so much time to react

That's not the reason the balls are getting batted down. If it was Fields/Wilson/Mahomes would have batted down balls all the time.

he's staring down his reads and taking to long to throw the ball. Like NC stated part of it is the OL not letting those guys to just stand their and throw their arm up.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by dj43:
If the goal is to develop Lance, yesterday was a wasted day. You are correct. Shanahan's offense went out the window. What we saw yesterday is not sustainable nor did it help Lance learn how to play. Instead of just run, run, run, there should have been more of the regular NFL offense. Give the kid some real meat to chew on. That failure is on Shanahan.

Nah it wasn't a wasted day at all...he got to see game a speed defense. He got to see blitzes and coverages. He had to make reads and now has some film to go over and correct all the same.

every game is a chance to learn and get better regardless of how it played out. I completely disagree with that statement.

Of course, there was some benefit, however, what he was doing yesterday looked a lot like his college game film. I just believe it would have been much more beneficial to have kept more to the standard KS offense with some added runs for Lance. Mitchell looked great when he was given the ball but he disappeared in the second half. Why?

Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

The discussion centers around what the proper balance would be. I thought there were more yards for Mitchell off RPO sets than what we saw. That would have opened things up more, IMO.

I agree with you that Lance does not have the timing down on shorter rhythm passes. Two of his blocks appeared to come on short passes where he was late with the throw. That will only come with experience.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:
Or he forgot what level of football he was playing in. I was surprised he didnt go airborne for the goal line but just one persons guess is that he was used to winning those collisions back in college and got introduced to how things work at this level no matter your size... not gonna be able to run over 2-3 defenders as a QB no matter the size.

Well he did knock Simmons out of the game.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Damn looking at the replay he had space to easily just jump for the pylon. But yea, rookie mistake thinking he could bulldoze nfl players

In the FCS, TD.



In the NFL, stonewalled. He'll learn.

This is why this site needs likes for posts.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by MoeJontana84:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by ramonalejandro:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Anyone who thinks Trey looked bad hasn't been watching the other rookies. f**king idiots 🤣🤣🤣

Other rookies show promise. Name one pass play that Trey impressed. I can't. Not one.

Where was the deep sideline pass? Oh yeah the one to deebo that was out of bounds. I like the kid, good kid, but he's not accurate. He's not a qb. You can't teach accuracy. No touch and no accuracy. The worst combination.

Are you serious? He made multiple big boy passes. That laser to Aiyuk on 3rd and long. That beautiful throw to Sanu as well on the flat. You are tripping.

Ive been Watching football for 40 years. I know a good qb when I see it. He ain't one.

Oh?

https://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/186526-patrick-mahomes-qb/page51/

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

I don't want this guy. Doesn't seem like a team player, Never goes through his progressions, another kaepernick. No thanks.

Your 40 years informed you that Mahomes was another kaepernick.

GOODNIGHT

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Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

It's not a slap in the face to the vets to bench a bad player and Jimmy has been a bad player this year. If the vets grumble about it, show them his PFF scores.

LMAO. PFF scores? Really? You think Kyle or the players give 2 F's about PFF scores? Here's straight from the horses mouth from one of those vets about it:
Trent Williams in 2020:
"In pass pro, I was pretty clean. Out of 74 plays, I probably wish I had four-to-five back, the penalties are on me, bonehead penalties I have to erase from the game," Williams said. "Pass protection, I had a pretty clean sheet. Public perception can think some things are on you, but in-house, we kind of know they're not. So, that's a tough deal to juggle with, dealing with perception versus reality."

Pro Football Focus gave the seven-time Pro Bowler a pass-blocking grade of 63.7, second-worst behind Daniel Brunskill. Several media members stated that it was the worst game of Williams' career, but the hulking offensive lineman says outsiders don't get the game's little details.

"We're all grown, we're all professionals. We understand — especially as offensive lineman — that not everybody knows our responsibilities and knows things [we have] to do from one play to another," Williams said. "A lot of people know football, and they can make educated guesses, but things change every week and techniques change every week. Part of being a professional you have to know what's reality and what's perception."

Strange, I've never heard a player complain about their PFF score or say that they don't understand the nuances when they've graded highly. I don't think PFF is perfect, especially on a game by game basis, but over time successful players tend to have high grades and unsuccessful players have lower grades.