Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I sincerely hope Kyle gets rid of this stupid Cam Newton style offense with Trey. Also, I'm concerned about the wind up.. I don't know if there's any way to fix that release speed, because it's a problem right now.

Offense looks way too much like Cam Newton. Agreed.

As much as I like Lance I did not like the Cam Newton vibes I was getting watching him play - hopefully that changes with different playcalling.

Like it or not, those QB runs are what helps put Lance in his comfort zone. It's what he did in college and he doesn't suck at it. For a rookie QB in his first start, you want to give him what he knows, then mix in what he needs to learn.

Gonna get killed in the pros if the plan doesnt change. Not protecting himself. Agree the concept is right (make him comfortable) but the outcomes are flat out dangerous. Not an option.

He needs to learn how to slide - plain and simple. One, to protect himself. Second, sometimes when a defender sees the QB slide and the defender starts to pull up, if any contact is made there is a chance for an unnecessary roughness penalty. I swear I've seen this happen a few times to 49er defenders where Kyler/Russel slides, a defender tries to pull up but still made light, incidental contact with the helmet - 15 yard penalty.

Originally posted by thl408:
Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

Agreed. He's only gonna get better at rhythm passing plays by actually playing in a game speed environment. Not by watching a play on the TV.

There has to be a balance between winning and developing. Give him nibbles of those rhythm passing plays with everything else…it's a not gonna magically be all there after a week of practice.

Trey said he didn't take as many hits as it seemed.

It's always IF jimmy can stay healthy. He isn't healthy. He can't stay healthy. He is what he is. We have people like jimmy in every sport. If they are injury prone they are useless to the team. Time to move on and concentrate on the guy who can move this team forward.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Now that it's a qb you fully support you're seeing the things I've been pointing out all year.

Lack of OL pass pro, lack of WR separation, lack of run game.

I've been saying, Jimmy has actually been masking some of these issues with quick processing and quick release - got laughed at. Was told Trey would open up more of the offense.

Here's my issues with the, "start Trey now" idea.
1. You don't give up on a season after 5 games. We don't know what's going to happen the rest of the year. We saw AZ's TE tear an ACL yesterday, you never know what can happen.

2. It's 5 games. We've had 2 games where the D looked great, 2 games they looked great for stretches and 1 game they looked bad.

3. Even if Trey develops, we still have other issues. It's not like he was our biggest problem yesterday and playing behind this shaky OL isn't helping his development much as a pocket passer.

I'm just done with Jimmy and have been for a while...regardless of everything else he was never gonna be this pro-bowl caliber QB and got paid like he was. Toss in injuries and here we are. They could put about 15 other QBs in his position and got the same results.

I'm not about to compare a 8 yr vet to a 21 yr old who hasn't gotten a real start since 2019. SF made their choice when they moved up for Lance, at that point it should have been about developing him, not trying to run it back with a bunch of brittle resigning's and QB. We're seeing the results of that now

I don't think this is a SB contending team, didn't before the season started. You think Jimmy is good enough to beat all these top tier teams and I do not.

So like you said even if Trey develops, we have a shaky OL, well okay that doesn't make this team a SB caliber team regardless of who's the QB. You said Jimmy masks all this, yet say the WRs aren't getting open quickly...so his skill set doesn't really mask anything if no one is getting open. Lance isn't gonna have perfection at any point to develop...there will always be holes and good QB play will mask it. Kid needs to play and no amount of sitting on the bench will replace what he got yesterday.

This team needs to have one QB and get reps with him, Jimmy and Lance play vastly different and that f**ks everything up. Some of those holding calls were because they're not use to a scrambling QB. That's something that needs to be developed upon as well.

They have two weeks to get one guy and this team on the same page, I'll take the one with a vastly higher upside, who's actually part of the future, and isn't injured. I'm guessing suborn Kyle will go with banged up Jimmy and I'm sure it will be no different then what we've seen

I just don't get how you think playing Trey behind a shaky OL is actually good for his development. I also don't get why you're so willing to throw away a season after 5 games. How depressing....great, well, let's ruminate iver potential for another 11 months because we've being doing that for the past 19 months and it's been so awesome.

Sit back, root for your team, whoever is starting and hope for the best. I thought that's what fans did 🥴

If I was die hard Jimmy because of Jimmy, wouldn't you expect me to come flying in after Trey's pick, "SeE, tReY sUCkz"? I didn't and aren't going to because when he's in, im rooting for the kid, big time. I don't like seeing any of our qb's throw picks but I understand it happens. I wanted the team to pull out the win, was frustrated by how it seemed so close, yet so far. I am irritated by the injuries but you know what I'm gonna believe we have a shot until we don't.

I think a lot of us don't see going to Trey as throwing the season away.

This.

Quite the opposite in fact for me.

Originally posted by thl408:
If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

Exactly. People think ok lets just throw Trey out there... well there are multiple vets that have bonuses and money on the line if they make playoffs, if they get X amount of catches/yards... yada yada yada. A coach cant tank a season for one player when many others still need certain benchmarks to obtain. Not saying the coach needs to help everyone make money... but you cant show favoritism (like how some on the zone want lance to drop back 50 times for his development) on the hopes of one guy and expect the locker room is just gonna go along with it when money is on the line.

Kyle knows better than anyone what Trey can do and what he is still trying to learn and was trying to do the best he could. Think of RG3, he put him in the best position to win even though the offense looked night and day compared to a Kirk Cousins offense. The difference now is that back then NFL defenses werent prepared for the new wave of QBs that can run... but now schemes have adjusted for that. DCs arent gonna get caught with their pants down just because a QB is athletic enough to turn into a RB on certain plays.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Trey was the fastest ball carrier in the game yesterday at 19.51 mph.

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Trey said he didn't take as many hits as it seemed.

He probably forgot a bunch of them

Originally posted by JTB1974:
We might have won if Kyle didn't go for it on every 4th down. The last one was really baffling. 4th and 4 at midfield only down 3 points with 8 minutes left and the defense playing great. Could have tried to pin them inside the 10 yard line. Also the waste of timeouts in the 2nd half hurt us. wasted two of them and didn't accomplish anything with them.

In the moment, I agree on going for it on 4th down, the execution is another story

Originally posted by Wubbie:

Originally posted by niners94:
Trey gives best chance for playoffs. Jimmy doesn't play like an 8 year veteran.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Yep. At least for now. I think the question should be revisited in about 8 weeks.

I think Trey is still too raw as a passer in certain situations, which is why we see things like obvious QB Draw on 3rd and 3's. He also doesn't know yet how to protect himself when running. I'd like to see him get more seasoning before we make The Switch. Because once you make that switch, there's no going back.

Jimmy's limitations aside, I still think he's the better QB when healthy. Across the board, our offense hasn't been sharp, and he gets the share of the blame because he's the QB.

I think Trey can develop into the type of QB that transcends deficiencies in his surrounding cast, but he's not there yet. At this point, they have to really playcall around his own limitations.

My "yep at least for now" was saying Jimmy should start for the near future and then when Trey gets several more weeks of learning we revisit the question.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

His job is tied to Lance, that decision was made already…people care about winning now which is fine but how's that gonna be any different next yr? He's gonna be raw in regards to playing football now or next yr all the same. We gonna call kyle's head in 2022 if we don't win with a kid who will then not have played meaningful football games since 2019? What's the expectations then?

what if we continue to lose with Jimmy all the same this yr? Gotta ride it out with a guy that has no future here just because? He's not Brett Farve or even alex Smith in 2017.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
5_Golden_Rings

not all heroes wear capes. POTY? lol

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

There was ZERO "balancing act" yesterday, although I agree with the premise. I don't think anyone is saying that Kyle should just tank the season to develop Trey. But come on, 16 rushing attempts (and almost all by design)? Yesterday's game plan was a travesty and Shanahan should be ashamed for being so short sighted regarding Trey's health and long term career.

What do you mean there was no balancing act? Kyle called plays that Lance knows how to execute from his college days. Those are the plays that Lance is comfortable with. Those QB runs also serve a purpose in slowing down the ARI pass rush. QB power not so much, but the draw plays force the pass rush to stay disciplined in their rush lanes, which in theory, helps the OL pass protect.

You mentioned a balancing act in regards to calling plays within the regular offense to develop Trey versus calling plays that Trey is most comfortable with (running, which is debatable because we can't get inside Trey's head to know that). I saw maybe 2-3 plays under center that looked like our regular offense versus the rest out of shotgun and Pistol, read option, QB power. There was no balance there.

The QB draw plays with 3-4 WR's and defenders spread out are fine, because it gives Trey the opportunity to slide after gaining some yards. QB power 6-8 times (or however many it was) was immoral.

The balancing act is between calling plays that Lance is comfortable with, and calling plays to win the game - they go hand in hand. I'm suggesting that Kyle did not want to call so many QB runs but if those are the plays that help his rookie QB feel comfortable, that's what he did.
If it was full on, "give Lance reps to develop as a pocket passer", then we would have seen more traditional dropback plays.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

"He definitely runs the ball hard," Nick Bosa says of Trey Lance. "He might need to learn how to slide."

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) October 11, 2021

He really does.

Maybe he saw how the team reacted when Jimmy went headfirst into two defenders to get a TD in a preseason game and thought they'd like him more if he did the same.

More likely he saw the line he needed to get to and tried to do so.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
Lance is not good enough at the moment to operate an offense that consists of rhythm passing plays in the short/quick game (Jimmy's bread and butter). Had Kyle dialed up a bunch of those plays yesterday I would have considered it putting Lance in a position to fail. Would it have given Lance more reps to work on what he needs to develop? Yes, but there was a game to try and win so there is a balancing act for Kyle when it comes to the playcalling.

100%. People want Trey developed for 2022, Kyle is fighting to win games. Cause that's his job.

If Kyle goes full on "let's develop Trey" in week 5, that's a slap in the face to vet leaders like Trent Williams, Warner, Kittle. Besides game losses, the worst thing for a head coach is losing the locker room's vets. It doesn't matter how much Kyle wants to develop Trey, he cannot lose the vets in the locker room in week 6 of the season.

It's not a slap in the face to the vets to bench a bad player and Jimmy has been a bad player this year. If the vets grumble about it, show them his PFF scores.

Hell Yeah!

I'll show the PFF scores to our hipster OC.

You show the scores to Trent Williams.