Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Niners99:
This team literally just went to the SB with Jimmy in 2019. I guarantee a bunch of them don't re-sign here if they knew we planned on developing a rookie.

This team isn't the same team in 2019, Jimmy had a margin error the size of the grand canyon...he could afford to f**k up and SF would be fine. SF 8th overall in TO ratio in 2019. Top 5 run/D.

This yr Jimmy HAD to be better, he had to play at a higher level and didn't. Also who is a bunch of them? Tarrt and KW? lol yeah because they were getting all kinds of calls during FA.

Players aren't lining up to play for Jimmy, it was to play for Kyle and SF at that point.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
no one cares about 5 yrs ago though...rules have changed since then. But if you want to talk about one SB how about vs Baltimore. Flacco balled out through the playoffs and had no problem throwing it downfield.

Eli Manning one two SBs on crazy throws downfield. There's a balance to all of it and right now these team wasn't balanced at all.

Look at this fun stat

The 49ers have been called for a league leading 8 defensive pass interference penalties this season

Over the last two games, the 49ers have given up four automatic first downs on DPI calls that have gone for yardage gains of

25
32
24
23

All four were on 3rd down as well

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 4, 2021

Why can't we get in on that action?

It's bad all around the league. I saw a couple in last night's game that was so minor that really made no difference in the WR not being able to make the catch. It's getting rediculous.

Oh I agree, but let's play the game like everyone else...they're not even trying.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
This

Why does everyone think our rookie QB is a puss and can't handle pressure? Why does everyone think the roster and coaching staff are so bad that they can't help a young rookie? Lance isn't gonna throw the ball 40x a game.

Originally posted by 49erminion:
Is his ceiling possibly Josh Allen maybe Justin Herbert?

ceiling is Mahomes!

GRAY AREAAAAAHHHH!!!

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Everyone's got a take on the Shanahan-Lance stuff, here's mine:

This comes down to Shanahan not forcing Lance to run whatever this offense is "supposed" to be. Maximize the offense with what Lance is comfortable with as he develops and embrace the chaoshttps://t.co/qpLuo0xIHp

— Jake Hutchinson (@hutchdiesel) October 4, 2021

Great read. It's known that the OL will have to adjust to Trey's style, but I especially liked the part about our receivers needing to practice scramble drills. Have a feeling there will be a few down the road…

Two things this team is very poor at. The OL has enough troubles in pass protection knowing exactly where the QB is. Now they have no idea. Next, our receivers have no idea what to do on a scramble drill. It's comical. Two receivers ran into each other and Seattle almost got a pick off it.

So yes, those are two big areas they'll need to work on but unfortunately, they'll need to focus on the 85% as it's drawn up right now before they start practicing scramble drills in-season.

Trey's going to hold it longer so expect that TTT to climb up to 3sec which also means PP will need to hold longer. Expect many more hits/sacks. But explosives too.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Everyone's got a take on the Shanahan-Lance stuff, here's mine:

This comes down to Shanahan not forcing Lance to run whatever this offense is "supposed" to be. Maximize the offense with what Lance is comfortable with as he develops and embrace the chaoshttps://t.co/qpLuo0xIHp

— Jake Hutchinson (@hutchdiesel) October 4, 2021

Kyle made it work with RG3 regarding installing an offense that a rookie QB can be comfortable in. I trust he can do it with Lance.

RGIII had 1,300 passes in college. Trey had 300. So the game plan might not be as balanced to start but to your point, Kyle has and will do it again.

Originally posted by D0PEMAN:
GRAY AREAAAAAHHHH!!!

Oh god

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
This. 100% right on the money. A "voice of reason," knowledgeable football post on where Lance was coming into this season and also where this team was starting the year - before the injuries started happening.

Who the hell is signing a one yr deal for the "opportunity" to play with Jimmy G lol? Give me a break, let's stop acting like he's Dan Marino or something...these one yr deals were cheap and guys that were familiar with the team, who couldn't find more cash in FA because of the drop in cap.

This team literally just went to the SB with Jimmy in 2019. I guarantee a bunch of them don't re-sign here if they knew we planned on developing a rookie.

And this.

No reason at all to develop a rookie QB going into this season for the reasons you already mentioned (does it even need to be mentioned/explained?). Also, you've got a very good QB who's had multiple seasons in this system and in the offseason + TC was looking very good by all accounts playing with his most commanding grasp of this scheme yet. You give your team the best chance to win going into this season going w/ Garoppolo and with the talent it had (and still has even after injuries).

Now, if it is Lance's turn, let's see what he can do along with Shanahan's game planning for him coupled with the talent this team still has on both sides of the ball. Hoping for the best and I like some of the early signs I've seen from Lance in his development.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He's obviously not ready. Thats how we know. If you put a kid out there too early, he can flounder and it ruins his confidence and development. This roster was too talented to be a QB development year, period.

if he's that much of a puss that he can't handle pressure then he will never be good. IF this roster was so great then that's MORE of a reason to play the guy who you spent the farm on. He doesn't have to be the one making plays every down because the roster blows.

IMO people overrate this roster in general...that secondary was one injury away from being avg. They didn't have the money to have legit depth because we paid too much for a avg starting QB, who was gonna get hurt.

What people said was gonna happen, happened...now Lance is forced to play football, with hardly any snaps with the starters all through camp, played with backups in the preseason and being the scout QB during the season...yeah that's the way to develop your QB.

But here we are and people are gonna complain when he's "not ready" not s**t they didn't do anything to get him ready.

I look at Kyle's history and I really don't see any quarterback he really developed. Kyle can do a great job in drawing up plays and putting a QB in the position to have success on plays. What he has done with Trey to get him ready is inexcusable. Scout team and playing with backups all summer....smh. Kyle get your head out of your a%$.

Originally posted by kaynj:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners99:
He's obviously not ready. Thats how we know. If you put a kid out there too early, he can flounder and it ruins his confidence and development. This roster was too talented to be a QB development year, period.

if he's that much of a puss that he can't handle pressure then he will never be good. IF this roster was so great then that's MORE of a reason to play the guy who you spent the farm on. He doesn't have to be the one making plays every down because the roster blows.

IMO people overrate this roster in general...that secondary was one injury away from being avg. They didn't have the money to have legit depth because we paid too much for a avg starting QB, who was gonna get hurt.

What people said was gonna happen, happened...now Lance is forced to play football, with hardly any snaps with the starters all through camp, played with backups in the preseason and being the scout QB during the season...yeah that's the way to develop your QB.

But here we are and people are gonna complain when he's "not ready" not s**t they didn't do anything to get him ready.

I look at Kyle's history and I really don't see any quarterback he really developed. Kyle can do a great job in drawing up plays and putting a QB in the position to have success on plays. What he has done with Trey to get him ready is inexcusable. Scout team and playing with backups all summer....smh. Kyle get your head out of your a%$.

He's a back up, what did you expect?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BamaNiner:
All that tightens up in the big ones. As I posted a week or so ago: you don't win the super bowl without being able to take what the defense gives you. You've got to be able to hit the short and intermediate throws and sustain drives.
min the last 4 or so Super Bowls, there's been one pass play of 40 yards or more and only a handful of 30 plus passes.

no one cares about 5 yrs ago though...rules have changed since then. But if you want to talk about one SB how about vs Baltimore. Flacco balled out through the playoffs and had no problem throwing it downfield.

Eli Manning one two SBs on crazy throws downfield. There's a balance to all of it and right now these team wasn't balanced at all.

Look at this fun stat

The 49ers have been called for a league leading 8 defensive pass interference penalties this season

Over the last two games, the 49ers have given up four automatic first downs on DPI calls that have gone for yardage gains of

25
32
24
23

All four were on 3rd down as well

— Jordan Elliott (@splash_cousin) October 4, 2021

Why can't we get in on that action?

So is last years super bowl too long ago? Toms long was 31 yards and I think he only had one other completion over 20 yards. Brady average 6.9 yards per and Mahomes 5.5.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
This

Why does everyone think our rookie QB is a puss and can't handle pressure? Why does everyone think the roster and coaching staff are so bad that they can't help a young rookie? Lance isn't gonna throw the ball 40x a game.

Too many assumptions on here.. how about we give the young man a chance to show us what he can do

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TyCore:
Rewatched his plays several times. Accuracy issues, some ill-advised throws into coverage w/dudes open on other reads, resorts to his legs frighteningly often. I'll attribute some of that to nerves, for sure.

Doesn't have the quickness of Jackson or the tackle breaking of Wilson, but he's more mobile than Jimmy. Good zip on his passes, didn't air mail Deebo on the totally blown coverage play.

Overall, I think its going to be a bumpy ride for the next few weeks, at least.

But I expect it.

🙄

He resorted to his legs because the pocket was collapsing. He also had a few designed runs. His elusiveness looked great. Not sure how you came to anything other than a positive conclusion on where hes at so far.

Yeah, it's a real mystery. lol

Originally posted by TyCore:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by TyCore:
Rewatched his plays several times. Accuracy issues, some ill-advised throws into coverage w/dudes open on other reads, resorts to his legs frighteningly often. I'll attribute some of that to nerves, for sure.

Doesn't have the quickness of Jackson or the tackle breaking of Wilson, but he's more mobile than Jimmy. Good zip on his passes, didn't air mail Deebo on the totally blown coverage play.

Overall, I think its going to be a bumpy ride for the next few weeks, at least.

But I expect it.

🙄

He resorted to his legs because the pocket was collapsing. He also had a few designed runs. His elusiveness looked great. Not sure how you came to anything other than a positive conclusion on where hes at so far.

Yeah, it's a real mystery. lol

Yup. He was pressured on nearly every snap. But that's because 1) We had 5 receiving options out in routes including Juice against prevent defense down two scores and predictable passing situations (extra pass rush) and 2) Trey is a rookie who needs more time to process and has to dodge more of the incoming.

In short, Kyle isn't going to have 5 receivers out there for Trey next game so forget about these stats as a baseline.

I can't wait to see what Kyle does cook up for him though. We might see more 3WR sets and that would be nice to see.