Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Your almost unnoticed sly remark regarding Jimmy and the strong emotional need to defend Trey has got you in a weird place.

Not really and I'll say it again: We're not used to seeing a QB that can throw the ball away so deep down the field. That's just facts Bros.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Dude! seriously? I honestly think Trey is smart enough and determined enough to learn from his mistakes. Also, There is nothing wrong with pointing out what I observed from the play that you all were discussing.

Huh? The ball was thrown away. Afrikan said it,...says that Trey said it,...I then looked at the clock and score and it's clear that he did, bad decision or not.

Beyond that,...what are we talking about here?

You are entitled to your own opinion when it comes to Jimmy but we can't have a double standard here. If you are allowed to "critique" Jimmy than it is more than okay for anyone who chooses to "critique" Trey. I wouldn't have even brought up your sly remark if you hadn't gotten so defensive of Trey.

To the second point, You all were discussing whether it was a bad throw or a throw away. What does it matter? It was a poor decision either way given the game situation. As Aiyuk was wide open with blockers out in front on the other side on a 3rd and 10 when we needed to score as quickly as possible.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
No, you said that I couldn't make that throw. What relevance does that have to anything? You personally brought me into the discussion about Trey. That's attacking the poster.

Yes,...you called the throw fluke. Me pointing out that you certainly can't make the throw moves it a little more out of the "fluke" range. You admitting that you can't magnifies my point (thanks). Go rewatch how far the ball traveled in the air. It's a subjective term and a wash.

Are you offended by me saying you can't make the throw? I'm sure I can't either. Does that make things better now?

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Any quarterback in the NFL, starter or backup, could've made that throw to Deebo. It was not special.

A number of them could've missed it as well. There are QBs that operate with the precision of a Doctor making much, much easier shorter throws that the rest of the league could make. That doesn't mean they're fluke plays.

Take the L on this one as it's going nowhere.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Yes, Lance will get credit for it on the stat sheet, but it's not like Lance threw it deep into tight coverage and make a Mahomes-esque play.

That's fine. It's just not a fluke play, though. Everyone that's not making Mahomes-esque plays aren't getting rewarded with fluke plays. Everything's not black and white and there's alot of grey in-between that apparently you don't want to acknowledge.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Also, ironic that you had to find a fluke play from college football... it's almost like there aren't that many fluke plays like a blown coverage in the NFL... hmmmm....

Wow are you even paying attention? The ball was almost intercepted,...then the player did a 360 rolling on the ground as it bounced around a few times -- even on his back no less -- only to be found there for him to grab for a catch once he turned back over.

Throw the ball in that same fashion 100's of times and that's not going to happen. That we could categorize as fluke.

A pitch and catch deep down the hashes that looked easy because the guy has such a strong arm is not.

So many things to like about Lance already. We already knew he had great athleticism and size, but we've now seen him understand and go through progressions, we've seen leadership ability, he takes responsibility for the entire offense when something doesn't go right, and now on Sunday he showed great spacial awareness in the pocket, with that timer in his head that tells him when to get out of there. That 4th and 1 play where he rolled left, then cut back in and found Deebo for the conversion. He's got that ability to find an open man.

He always seems to be getting better. He already looks much better than he did in the preseason.

The way he kept feeling the pocket collapsing and how he stepped up and ran forward through it was a great sign. Most young QB keep moving backwards and start running towards the sideline when things break down.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
There's some articles being put out there by the media from yesterday's presser. There were a couple of sentences that were quoted out of order and out of context that Kyle said regarding Trey's performance, and the media is running with it saying that Kyle "took a shot" at Trey and I'm seeing some people using this to fuel speculation that Kyle never wanted Trey and is holding him back. They just really like to manufacture fake drama and controversy bordering on conspiracy theory.

???

If this is true about the media, that's just moronic.

At the end of the day, the Seahawks came in with a game plan. That game plan was based around JG being QB. When Lance went in, he was still playing under the JG game plan...

The Seahawks had Kyle's number on Sunday... And, it's a lot to ask of any QB to overcome a well schemed defense that seemed to be able to guess right on every other play.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Attack the post, not the poster.

I said that you're being subjective (this is "fluke" but that isin't "fluke"), but you don't seem ready to comprehend or face it. That's not attacking you. Now that that's out the way...

Everyone is subjective, including you. . You spent over a year making frequent criticisms of Garoppolo and fighting with other posters in that thread, now you're in here attacking anyone who dares make the slightest criticism of Lance.

Lay off the personal comments towards other posters, you've been warned several times in the past, there won't be anymore after this.

Lol this isin't a personal comment and nothing was offensive (while the board is littered with it, btw),....we just disagree on Lance and on a play. But I will try my best to remember saying "this post is subjective" since there's alot of huffing and puffing after losses.

Originally posted by Niners99:
So many things to like about Lance already. We already knew he had great athleticism and size, but we've now seen him understand and go through progressions, we've seen leadership ability, he takes responsibility for the entire offense when something doesn't go right, and now on Sunday he showed great spacial awareness in the pocket, with that timer in his head that tells him when to get out of there. That 4th and 1 play where he rolled left, then cut back in and found Deebo for the conversion. He's got that ability to find an open man.

He always seems to be getting better. He already looks much better than he did in the preseason.

The way he kept feeling the pocket collapsing and how he stepped up and ran forward through it was a great sign. Most young QB keep moving backwards and start running towards the sideline when things break down.

I hope Lance plays the rest of the year. Let him grow. I would hate to see a wasted year that could be developmental.

As long as management understands the concept and recognizes this is not Superbowl or bust.in 2021.

Things I want to see Trey improve on against AZ:

1. Get to your checkdown - I like that he keeps his eyes downfield and he's shown the ability to move thru progressions but you don't need to look for the homerun ball all the time. Checkdowns are good for keeping rhythm and getting positive plays when nothing is open downfield

2. Stay calm in the pocket - He wasn't bad here considering the pressure he was under, but the nerves he had manifested in the inaccurate throws he had. He settled down towards the end and he threw some good balls. I'd just like to see him be more comfy from the start.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
A 2 second throw away on 3rd and 10 and down in the 4Q?
Lord. You can justify anything.

You do understand the difference between justifying a decision to throw the ball away and saying a QB inaccurately threw to his WR, right?

I mean that's as basic as it's going to get here,...lol. It can't possibly get any clearer. No clue why you're trying to fuse the two together.

NC?

He's under no obligation to respond to you.

It's fine for me to chide him as he's not the sensitive type.

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Have a read of this article: 49ers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-did-kyle-shanahan-just-take-a-shot-at-trey-lance/ar-AAP6tVM?ocid=uxbndlbing

Then watch what was actually said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjlIPWXJiNk&t=473s

I saw this off of a well known Niner fan youtuber channel, and homie was actually crying because this made him think Kyle hates Trey LMAO. Needless to say, I'm not watching that channel anymore.

MSN? Lol, everything they print is either a lie or spun version of actual reality.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You are entitled to your own opinion when it comes to Jimmy but we can't have a double standard here. If you are allowed to "critique" Jimmy than it is more than okay for anyone who chooses to "critique" Trey. I wouldn't have even brought up your sly remark if you hadn't gotten so defensive of Trey.

To the second point, You all were discussing whether it was a bad throw or a throw away. What does it matter? It was a poor decision either way given the game situation. As Aiyuk was wide open with blockers out in front on the other side on a 3rd and 10 when we needed to score as quickly as possible.

There's a difference between diagnosing what happened on a play (he threw it out of bounds vs. "mechanics" discussion),....and decision making.

Don't know how many posts we're in now but Afrikan pointed out that it was thrown out of bounds and I agreed. Nothing at all about decision making. Zero.

Discuss the decision making of the play at will,...I have no qualms about that,...rookie called off the bench or not.

for a guy who just got thrown into the fire with no game plan and scout team reps, he did fine. Not fair to scrutinize at the moment. But next week will probably tell a different tale. I still think it will be a bumpy ride because they should have just ripped the bandaid off with Jimmy back in June. But oh well.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
No, you said that I couldn't make that throw. What relevance does that have to anything? You personally brought me into the discussion about Trey. That's attacking the poster.

Yes,...you called the throw fluke. Me pointing out that you certainly can't make the throw moves it a little more out of the "fluke" range. You admitting that you can't magnifies my point (thanks). Go rewatch how far the ball traveled in the air. It's a subjective term and a wash.

Are you offended by me saying you can't make the throw? I'm sure I can't either. Does that make things better now?

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Any quarterback in the NFL, starter or backup, could've made that throw to Deebo. It was not special.

A number of them could've missed it as well. There are QBs that operate with the precision of a Doctor making much, much easier shorter throws that the rest of the league could make. That doesn't mean they're fluke plays.

Take the L on this one as it's going nowhere.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Yes, Lance will get credit for it on the stat sheet, but it's not like Lance threw it deep into tight coverage and make a Mahomes-esque play.

That's fine. It's just not a fluke play, though. Everyone that's not making Mahomes-esque plays aren't getting rewarded with fluke plays. Everything's not black and white and there's alot of grey in-between that apparently you don't want to acknowledge.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:
Also, ironic that you had to find a fluke play from college football... it's almost like there aren't that many fluke plays like a blown coverage in the NFL... hmmmm....

Wow are you even paying attention? The ball was almost intercepted,...then the player did a 360 rolling on the ground as it bounced around a few times -- even on his back no less -- only to be found there for him to grab for a catch once he turned back over.

Throw the ball in that same fashion 100's of times and that's not going to happen. That we could categorize as fluke.

A pitch and catch deep down the hashes that looked easy because the guy has such a strong arm is not.

The play was the fluke, not the throw. Lance could make that throw 10 out of 10 times. Hell, 100 out of 100 times. What's flukey is the fact that Deebo is left uncovered 20-25 yards down the field where the closest defender is 10 yards away. It's a fluke because that rarely, if ever, happens in the NFL.

I'ma ask you to take the L on this one though, it's going no where.



Also, I'ma be honest, I didn't even watch the clip. It's not worth my time. Because I'm arguing about one thing, and you're either not understanding me, or just bringing up some complete other BS. And you're trying to argue with a "holier than thou" attitude, very narcissistic acting like your opinion is the only opinion worthy around here.

I'm done responding to you for now. If you come back with an open mind ready for discussion, maybe I'll see you around the forums, okay buddy?

Originally posted by debo4mvp:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Have a read of this article: 49ers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-did-kyle-shanahan-just-take-a-shot-at-trey-lance/ar-AAP6tVM?ocid=uxbndlbing

Then watch what was actually said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjlIPWXJiNk&t=473s

I saw this off of a well known Niner fan youtuber channel, and homie was actually crying because this made him think Kyle hates Trey LMAO. Needless to say, I'm not watching that channel anymore.

MSN? Lol, everything they print is either a lie or spun version of actual reality.

It all came from a tweet by Lombardi who put those sentences together in his quote as if that was the exact Shanahan quote, when it really wasn't. Couldn't find the tweet, but it's pretty surprising it was Lombardi because he's usually the opposite of a drama starter.

Originally posted by debo4mvp:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Have a read of this article: 49ers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-did-kyle-shanahan-just-take-a-shot-at-trey-lance/ar-AAP6tVM?ocid=uxbndlbing

Then watch what was actually said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjlIPWXJiNk&t=473s

I saw this off of a well known Niner fan youtuber channel, and homie was actually crying because this made him think Kyle hates Trey LMAO. Needless to say, I'm not watching that channel anymore.

MSN? Lol, everything they print is either a lie or spun version of actual reality.

Yeah, that article is pure garbage. It insults Jimmy as a #1 and questions Shanahn. Not even worth the time reading it, but damn, I already gave it a click.

Originally posted by ElDannMann:

Originally posted by debo4mvp:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
Have a read of this article: 49ers: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/49ers-did-kyle-shanahan-just-take-a-shot-at-trey-lance/ar-AAP6tVM?ocid=uxbndlbing

Then watch what was actually said https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjlIPWXJiNk&t=473s

I saw this off of a well known Niner fan youtuber channel, and homie was actually crying because this made him think Kyle hates Trey LMAO. Needless to say, I'm not watching that channel anymore.

MSN? Lol, everything they print is either a lie or spun version of actual reality.

Yeah, that article is pure garbage. It insults Jimmy as a #1 and questions Shanahn. Not even worth the time reading it, but damn, I already gave it a click.

Yeah it's really a bad example but I couldn't find the original tweet. But this stuff is literally making Niner youtubers cry on their livestreams lol