Los Angeles Chargers QB Trey Lance Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rascal:
He is not ready. To me, he is a 3-year project like Josh Allen. By that I mean the chances are only by Year 3 we will know whether he is boom, serviceable or bust.

When Kap started in his 2nd year, that is my definition of ready. He absolutely killed it. But, whether we were or rather weren't able to further develop him that's another topic of discussion.

And Josh Allen played that whole time, that's what got him to where he is now. Fans gotta deal with the butt plays in the beginning, it's part of the process when you draft a QB early.

I was fine with Jimmy starting for as long as possible, I also realize the best way to get Lance better is to actually play football at some point.

we will see how it goes, I won't be one of the guys saying he's a bust if he doesn't play well right off the bat because I knew what the process was gonna entail. I can weather the storm because I have faith in this kid and our coaches to put him in a spot to succeed….s**t takes hard work and time, but not sure all the fan base thinks like that (not saying you)

Josh Allen did have to play to get to where he is today. But, it isn't totally true that fans need to deal with the butt plays which was why I brought up Kap. You do remember we went to the Super Bowl the year we started him right? And it wasn't even a full season. But, by God Kap was ready, at least much more so than Lance. You could argue success takes hard work and time, sure which was why Kap never started as a rookie even though Harbaugh had always wanted to start his own QB ASAP as he knew Alex Smith wasn't it.

I don't know what the answer is since Jimmy is not healthy for now and he seems to have been figured out by teams. I don't know whether Jimmy or Lance will win more games, that is if you still have any aspirations in winning now? If not, we could be talking about another 3 years of teething pain and quite possibly losing seasons. Just saying.

Kap had the extra advantage of the NFL being completely unprepared for the zone read. Also Kap was in his second year when he took over — he was not a rookie like Lance.

Also, he never improved in the things related to quarterbacking.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
the rookie was told he was going in a minute before they went back onto the field. give the man a break.

That would be tough

Originally posted by Goatie:
The bold 100%

I would also think the longer that Jimmy G is out injured the likelihood grows that he will not be starting again. This is coupled with how Trey develops while he has this opportunity. At the moment he is only 50/50 with completions. I am not critical of that at this point but he is going to have to get 65% plus to keep JG out.

Yeah I mean if Jimmy is healthy then start him as long as we're in it. He's being paid to be the starter....but lance will get some valuable reps and stuff he can see on film to work on.

people gotta have patience with him.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Dsoto87:


I was a fan of this play. Escaped the rush and didn't force the run. He kept his eyes on the receivers and picked up the first down. Sanu was wide open and I wonder if it's partially due to the threat of Trey taking off freezing the defenders.

Sanu is a veteran and knows this system well. He found a gap to sit in like a te and help his QB out, I'm glad we have him.

But zero comments on Trey avoiding pressure and finding the open man on the run.

You mean like the comment he quoted most likely agreeing?

He quoted it and pointedly didn't mention Trey. This guy hates him. I don't know if it's just because he loves Jimmy so much or some other reason, but yeah.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Kap had the extra advantage of the NFL being completely unprepared for the zone read. Also Kap was in his second year when he took over — he was not a rookie like Lance.

Also, he never improved in the things related to quarterbacking.

I mean for the most part he ran the same offense he ran in college (kap) the 4 yrs he was there. I wouldn't call that development overall. I would say that was a smart move on Harbs/Roman. Then they started to sprinkle in more of their offense and hope he would become a pocket passer just as well as a threat to run...didn't work out so much. I also think he's gotten a raw deal but that's a different topic.

No disrespect to Jimmy but we all know hes on borrowed time here. Let Lance finish out the season. The only drawback for me with that is it probably lowers Jimmy trade value whatever that may be. On top of not wanting to rush Trey im sure the hope was for Jimmy to play well and boost his value. Given the way I view the team at this stage tho just give Trey the reigns. He will learn alot. This is far from a super bowl team with all these injuries.

Originally posted by hubbyt:
No disrespect to Jimmy but we all know hes on borrowed time here. Let Lance finish out the season. The only drawback for me with that is it probably lowers Jimmy trade value whatever that may be. On top of not wanting to rush Trey im sure the hope was for Jimmy to play well and boost his value. Given the way I view the team at this stage tho just give Trey the reigns. He will learn alot. This is far from a super bowl team with all these injuries.

Jimmy getting hurt again has ended his trade value. The sad thing is, before he hurt his calf he looked like he was on his way to a career day (he hurt it on the first series).

But unfortunately, getting yet another injury is going completely eliminate his trade value even if he comes back and has a great rest of the year. He could lead us to the Super Bowl championship and he'd wouldn't fetch a 4th round pick, because of this injury.

And I don't mean it's sad simply for the team and value he could get us. It's sad for him. He puts so much effort into it, but he just must have drawn a bad hand from the Fates or something.

I truly feel for the guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

You play the rookie and let him develop if the season is lost. It's still too premature for that. There's a long list of qb's who sat their rookie the entire year and did just fine in year 2. Patrick Mahomes, Tom Brady to name a few.

I think going back to Jimmy until the season is lost is the proper call. The NFL is set up to play for now. If we play Lance and go 6-10 Shanny's seat is getting real hot. That's 4 out of 5 losing seasons.

There's a long list of QBs that didn't play yr 1 that didn't turn into s**t all the same, I think pointing out a couple best case scenarios is disingenuous.

Going back to Jimmy might not be a thing if he's out for a month or so...but if he can play then fine, they made their bed with him once they gave him all that cash this yr.

Jed signed off on them moving all their chips into Lance and understands that instant success with a rookie QB isn't always the outcome BUT getting through all that s**t can equal long-term success, which should matter way more.

Matter more than winning now?
The r
Team is built for the win now.

Originally posted by hubbyt:
No disrespect to Jimmy but we all know hes on borrowed time here. Let Lance finish out the season. The only drawback for me with that is it probably lowers Jimmy trade value whatever that may be. On top of not wanting to rush Trey im sure the hope was for Jimmy to play well and boost his value. Given the way I view the team at this stage tho just give Trey the reigns. He will learn alot. This is far from a super bowl team with all these injuries.

I mean his trade value is gone after getting hurt again (if he doesn't play the rest of the yr)

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean his trade value is gone after getting hurt again (if he doesn't play the rest of the yr)

Anything can happen obviously, but realistically I'm looking ahead to next year, and how Jimmys cap space can help

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Matter more than winning now?
The r
Team is built for the win now.

Is this team built for the win now? They looked bad and inconsistent all over the place yesterday.

This isn't a SB caliber roster overall imo...good and can win (possibly get in the playoffs) sure, but I don't think they're as good as you think.

Yes the long-term ramifications are just as important IMO. Quit being so short-sighted, you can't be when you burn a bunch of picks on a young QB. People act like this is the only roster that we will ever have that "is good" like we have Michal Jordon as the QB or some weird s**t. This isn't the last dance, Jimmy ain't that. Lance is gonna have to play and there will be bumps in the road either this yr or next all the same.

I don't even see that much of a downgrade from Jimmy after what we've seen so far from him honestly...They will change the offense up a little to get yards overall under Lance. I expect a s**t ton of running and easy progressions for Lance. IF Jimmy is healthy and Lance isn't a world beater, cool put Jimmy back in and let Lance sit some more. Either way Lance is gonna have to play because Jimmy is hurt....again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Matter more than winning now?
The r
Team is built for the win now.

Is this team built for the win now? They looked bad and inconsistent all over the place yesterday.

This isn't a SB caliber roster overall imo...good and can win (possibly get in the playoffs) sure, but I don't think they're as good as you think.

Yes the long-term ramifications are just as important IMO. Quit being so short-sighted, you can't be when you burn a bunch of picks on a young QB. People act like this is the only roster that we will ever have that "is good" like we have Michal Jordon as the QB or some weird s**t. This isn't the last dance, Jimmy ain't that. Lance is gonna have to play and there will be bumps in the road either this yr or next all the same.

I don't even see that much of a downgrade from Jimmy after what we've seen so far from him honestly...They will change the offense up a little to get yards overall under Lance. I expect a s**t ton of running and easy progressions for Lance. IF Jimmy is healthy and Lance isn't a world beater, cool put Jimmy back in and let Lance sit some more. Either way Lance is gonna have to play because Jimmy is hurt....again.

Regarding "win now" mode, once Jimmy's contract is gone the 49ers can do what the Cardinals did and acquire a bunch of veteran stars. So it's not now or never here. Three years from now is "now or never."

Originally posted by Faithful4ever:
The only thing I'm worried about is Trey's growth being hindered by being thrown into the fray too early. In all walks of life, some guys need that real time pressure in order to learn, other guys need time to watch and learn from afar or else they will develop bad habits that linger.

It would be easier if this team had no expectations, but despite everything, we still do.

If Jimmy G's injury is serious, then the decision is easier. This whole thing is a come to Jesus moment for this franchise..

I don't think trey's growth will be hindered. You can only learn so much by just watching, you got to do it yourself. I like Trey's mindset, his "leave no doubt", something that they talked about during the ncb sports bay area special on him. He's a film junky and gym rat, is what i hear. Once he settles in a game, he plays really well, we saw it in preseason and now in a reg season game versus a divisional rival. Now he should get the first team reps in practice and be fully prepared next game. The 4-0 cardinals in their house is a big challenge, but what if Trey pulls it off…

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Regarding "win now" mode, once Jimmy's contract is gone the 49ers can do what the Cardinals did and acquire a bunch of veteran stars. So it's not now or never here. Three years from now is "now or never."

It's just getting started in my opinion, they will have to give Deebo/Bosa big fat contracts but that's fine. They can upgrade the secondary and hopefully go after a long-term answer at center in the draft. There will be money to help with depth for once across the board.

Grab a field stretcher to use Lance's cannon arm &help spread the field out on day 3 three of the draft.

We all want to win now, but the future (if done right) looks pretty damn good IMO.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Regarding "win now" mode, once Jimmy's contract is gone the 49ers can do what the Cardinals did and acquire a bunch of veteran stars. So it's not now or never here. Three years from now is "now or never."

It's just getting started in my opinion, they will have to give Deebo/Bosa big fat contracts but that's fine. They can upgrade the secondary and hopefully go after a long-term answer at center in the draft. There will be money to help with depth for once across the board.

Grab a field stretcher to use Lance's cannon arm &help spread the field out on day 3 three of the draft.

We all want to win now, but the future (if done right) looks pretty damn good IMO.

Great plan... great plan.. but it ain't happening w/the HC we have now..