Deshaun Watson

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Watsons lawyer probably has one last card to play. If he can show that these women were there for sex, venmo,paypal, any kind of statements that show that Watson paid for sex (no masseuse is charging $1000+ for a massage) then most likely hes just gonna look like a perv in the public court, but at least he will be out of prison.

Um, paying for sex is still a crime dude.

he just needs to prove these women are prostitutes

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Could you all imagine if before this came out we traded major assets for him. You all would want Lynch's head, yet half of the zone wanted us to make the move.

Obviously if he gets convicted and charged (which I do not think will ever happen), it would have been a terrible move to trade for him. How could anyone predict this could have happened? That's like criticizing someone for being a Cosby Show fan after all that drugging of women stuff came out against him. I'll eat crow if Watson gets convicted, but im convinced he will not. The Buzzbee guy is ruining it for those women if in fact hes a serial rapist. Plus during the first couple weeks he was all like "Gonna drop something big real soon!" and never did.

I was in the camp that wanted to trade for him before all this went down. I've been defending him because I believe in innocent until proven guilty. No matter how bad it looks, we as internet dwellers, have no idea what is going on. If he gets convicted then I will call him a giant POS. Just because you've been calling him that since the beginning does not make you/it right. You are of course entitled to your own opinion. I just don't want to hear "See i've been saying it all along! He was a rapist and creep!" That's not what "right" is. The only true thing we can all say with certainty is that this situation and cases just plain suck. Whether you believe him or not its just a terrible thing for sports in general.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Could you all imagine if before this came out we traded major assets for him. You all would want Lynch's head, yet half of the zone wanted us to make the move.

Obviously if he gets convicted and charged (which I do not think will ever happen), it would have been a terrible move to trade for him. How could anyone predict this could have happened? That's like criticizing someone for being a Cosby Show fan after all that drugging of women stuff came out against him. I'll eat crow if Watson gets convicted, but im convinced he will not. The Buzzbee guy is ruining it for those women if in fact hes a serial rapist. Plus during the first couple weeks he was all like "Gonna drop something big real soon!" and never did.

I was in the camp that wanted to trade for him before all this went down. I've been defending him because I believe in innocent until proven guilty. No matter how bad it looks, we as internet dwellers, have no idea what is going on. If he gets convicted then I will call him a giant POS. Just because you've been calling him that since the beginning does not make you/it right. You are of course entitled to your own opinion. I just don't want to hear "See i've been saying it all along! He was a rapist and creep!" That's not what "right" is. The only true thing we can all say with certainty is that this situation and cases just plain suck. Whether you believe him or not its just a terrible thing for sports in general.

So...OJ is a good guy?

In the end, after all the legal rig-a-more, he'll still be the hottest person to get.

Massostitutes.

Originally posted by Youngone:


he just needs to prove these women are prostitutes

The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

have you guys ever seen the ads to some of these massuses (not the ones in this case but in general) ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

have you guys ever seen the ads to some of these massuses (not the ones in this case but in general) ?

Who the f**k cares? The fact that you defend treating potential victims as whores disgust me.

IN HIS LAWSUITS and in two news conferences at his office atop the Houston skyline, Buzbee has described Watson's alleged modus operandi as systematic.

Watson, he says, reached out to most of the women on social media, primarily Instagram, and insisted that they be alone when he showed up. He occasionally would seek appointments with women who told him that they'd never even done massage. "Well, can you do a massage?" Watson would ask, according to Buzbee.

In some instances, Buzbee says, Watson asked for photos of the therapists or dictated what he wanted them to wear during the sessions. In screen grabs of a direct message exchange Buzbee provided to reporters on Tuesday, Watson appears to comment on the image of a woman wearing a sports bra and spandex shorts.

"Something like this is fine," reads a direct message said to be from Watson to the woman. "It's hot here."

Often, according to the lawsuits, Watson would insist that no one else be around during the sessions. Watson would frequently insist on being covered only with a towel during the massage sessions rather than draped with a sheet, as is customary, Buzbee said. And, in some instances, he brought his own towel, which was closer in size to a "small washcloth," Buzbee said.

He asked some of the women to sign a nondisclosure agreement either before or after the massages, and Buzbee provided reporters a copy of that two-page agreement.

At least once he is said to have gone to unusual lengths to book a therapist he found on Instagram. In August 2020, according to one lawsuit, Watson purchased a plane ticket for an Atlanta-based therapist and flew her to Houston. A direct message released by Buzbee, said to be from Watson, includes the woman's itinerary, along with heart and rose emojis.

Another message sends the therapist an address for the Houstonian hotel.

"We will [meet] here," the message says. "I have a suite."

"Ok. Find table?" the woman asks. "Yep, Got one from my team," the reply says.

All those who have sued Watson mention in their lawsuits feeling threatened when, they say, Watson unexpectedly appeared naked during massages or became sexually aggressive. Beyond his physical stature, they say, his influence wasn't lost on them.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31223804/examining-dual-narratives-deshaun-watson-massages

"Lauren Baxley, the other plaintiff to make her name public last week, shared a statement through Buzbee that was addressed to Watson.

"With your millions of fans and followers, with your resources and income I felt both powerless, and trapped," Baxley said. "My work contract with my building was tied to my lease, and at the snap of your fingers I knew my good reputation, my home, and my career might be lost."

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

have you guys ever seen the ads to some of these massuses (not the ones in this case but in general) ?

Who the f**k cares? The fact that you defend treating potential victims as whores disgust me.

what do you mean who cares..You think a chick in the middle of the night in december wearing lingerie on the corner just likes to be just hanging out ?

i'm not defending watson, but you're just being naive on the real world of this profession

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

have you guys ever seen the ads to some of these massuses (not the ones in this case but in general) ?

Who the f**k cares? The fact that you defend treating potential victims as whores disgust me.

what do you mean who cares..You think a chick in the middle of the night in december wearing lingerie on the corner just likes to be just hanging out ?

i'm not defending watson, but you're just being naive on the real world of this profession

I say this most seriously knowing I will get a ban, f**k you. The existence of prostitutes doesn't make every massage therapist a whore or imply they deserve to be coerced into sex. Seriously f**k you, you piece of s**t.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The fact that we have people calling potential rape victims prostitutes says we should lock this thread....f**k this place.

I agree. It is really disturbing the hate these women get. No wonder women are scared to speak up.

And for who? Some guy who throws a football that we dont even know personally? Disgusting.

have you guys ever seen the ads to some of these massuses (not the ones in this case but in general) ?

Who the f**k cares? The fact that you defend treating potential victims as whores disgust me.

what do you mean who cares..You think a chick in the middle of the night in december wearing lingerie on the corner just likes to be just hanging out ?

i'm not defending watson, but you're just being naive on the real world of this profession

Lmao what a dumb take.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
what do you mean who cares..You think a chick in the middle of the night in december wearing lingerie on the corner just likes to be just hanging out ?

i'm not defending watson, but you're just being naive on the real world of this profession

ok, stop. You can't seriously think every massage therapist is performing sexual acts. Ridiculous

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
I say this most seriously knowing I will get a ban, f**k you. The existence of prostitutes doesn't make every massage therapist a whore or imply they deserve to be coerced into sex. Seriously f**k you, you piece of s**t.

philly, advice...its not worth your time to get worked up over stupid comments. Just report the post and move on.

Here is my advice for this thread. At this point, there is most likely not a trade. I suggest waiting until this plays out legally before you want to proclaim someone innocent, or before you convict someone. I personally don't like defending people who are rumored to have done horrible things. If you are wrong, you look bad. And there is potentially real human victims. So have some empathy and some common sense.

Have a civil discussion or don't post.