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More info on Jones and his coach.

Dickinson — known as "Coach D" by Jones — first met Jones at a camp in Jacksonville, Florida. Then 11, Jones impressed former Oklahoma State quarterback Daxx Garman enough that Garman called over Dickinson.

At that point, Dickinson was working with college-aged quarterbacks. But something was different about Jones.

He had a tennis build. Jones' father, Gordon, was a pro tennis player who once played in a Wimbledon qualifier. Mac was pretty good at tennis himself. But he was an even better quarterback.

"I knew he always had the capability," Dickinson said. "He's a really talented kid."

Dickinson and Jones started working more and more together as Jones developed into a strong quarterback at The Bolles School in Jacksonville.

Jones, however, was running the wing-T offense, so there wasn't much passing involved. Jones even had to wait to become the starter until his junior year of high school.

But Dickinson loved that. Jones paid his dues. He didn't transfer. He led Bolles to a state regional final as a junior and the Class 4A title as a senior.

"I knew he had staying power, he had a commitment-level power," Dickinson said. "I'd watch him play and he'd play really good against the high-powered schools in Jacksonville.

"You could see he could play at a high level in high-level games."

When Jones arrived at Alabama, he again had to bide his time. He got his chance last season when Tua Tagovailoa suffered an injury, leading Alabama in the final three games, shining for all but two bad throws — pick-sixes — in a loss to rival Auburn.

"That's all everybody wanted to remember," Dickinson said. "It's like playing at Oklahoma, right? You can be really good, but if you mess up against Texas you're a 'Texas loser,' right?"

Jones wanted only to move forward this offseason and win the starting job.

So, he called Dickinson in February with a request. Jones had focused on schemes and not necessarily technique with Alabama's coaching staff. He wanted a refresher on deep-ball techniques from Dickinson.

"Just getting kind of that third-party outside source I can have as like a family member-type person," Jones said, "and Coach D has been really cool."

Dickinson — who has limited his travel after a devastating auto crash 3½ years ago — left his home in Oklahoma and headed to Alabama in February. They spent a few days working on Jones' mechanics as he threw to the Crimson Tide's talented receivers.

Dickinson knew immediately a special season was possible. He has watched every game this season, seeing Jones complete 275 of 357 passes (77%) for 4,036 yards, 36 touchdowns and only four interceptions.

Dickinson grudgingly accepts that his mentoring played a "minimal part" in Jones' development.

"You gotta count your successes as you go in this business," he said. "I knew he could do it. Now he's done it. Now everybody's expecting big things all the time. I tell him he's created his own expectation level that's very high."

https://www.buckeyextra.com/story/football/2021/01/10/mac-jones-mentor-has-always-been-impressed-alabama-quarterback/6593622002/
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Scooper1:
If jones was in the 49ers discussion as the pick he would be working out with John beck like Wilson, fields, and lance all are. He is not on their level. Fine pick at 12 when they are gone.

Jones has the same QB coach that he's been working with for years in Joe Dickinson, a guy who has been tutoring QB's for nearly 20 years after having been in the college coaching ranks for decades.


After concluding his twenty five years in the college coaching ranks, Dickinson helped tutor young quarterbacks through the Air 7 Quarterback University that traveled throughout the United States. The highlight of the Air 7 Quarterback University (known today as Football University) was the strong relationship with the United States Army All-American Bowl which highlights the top high school athletes around the country.


In 2007, Dickinson was hired to be the Lead Quarterback Instructor at DeBartolo Sports University which conducts quarterback camps and private training all over the country. Since 2007, over 1100 Quarterbacks have been trained by Dickinson, ranging from amateur to professional levels.

All of these guys had experienced qb coaches so that means absolutely nothing to me. I can absolutely be wrong but it is only common sense that shanny wants all his top options evaluated by a former qb who has intricate knowledge of the system. Garappolo, mullens, and beathard have all worked with the guy. Seems pretty clear he is trusted by shanahan. The three qbs that have all of the tools that you would trade a haul for all go to this guy. I don't think that's coincidence. Can't wait too find out next Thursday. This has drug on fair too long at this point!
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.
I sort of agree with the analysts that say you wouldn't trade 3 first round picks and other picks to select Mac Jones. But Shanahan likes slow, lead footed, pocket passers who run the play as called. Not guys who run around and go off schedule. LIke Matt Ryan, Cousins, Garoppolo. So I could really see it happen. I'm not sure if that's good or not?.....
[ Edited by SanDiego49er on Apr 19, 2021 at 7:02 PM ]
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
More info on Jones and his coach.

Dickinson — known as "Coach D" by Jones — first met Jones at a camp in Jacksonville, Florida. Then 11, Jones impressed former Oklahoma State quarterback Daxx Garman enough that Garman called over Dickinson.

At that point, Dickinson was working with college-aged quarterbacks. But something was different about Jones.

He had a tennis build. Jones' father, Gordon, was a pro tennis player who once played in a Wimbledon qualifier. Mac was pretty good at tennis himself. But he was an even better quarterback.

"I knew he always had the capability," Dickinson said. "He's a really talented kid."

Dickinson and Jones started working more and more together as Jones developed into a strong quarterback at The Bolles School in Jacksonville.

Jones, however, was running the wing-T offense, so there wasn't much passing involved. Jones even had to wait to become the starter until his junior year of high school.

But Dickinson loved that. Jones paid his dues. He didn't transfer. He led Bolles to a state regional final as a junior and the Class 4A title as a senior.

"I knew he had staying power, he had a commitment-level power," Dickinson said. "I'd watch him play and he'd play really good against the high-powered schools in Jacksonville.

"You could see he could play at a high level in high-level games."

When Jones arrived at Alabama, he again had to bide his time. He got his chance last season when Tua Tagovailoa suffered an injury, leading Alabama in the final three games, shining for all but two bad throws — pick-sixes — in a loss to rival Auburn.

"That's all everybody wanted to remember," Dickinson said. "It's like playing at Oklahoma, right? You can be really good, but if you mess up against Texas you're a 'Texas loser,' right?"

Jones wanted only to move forward this offseason and win the starting job.

So, he called Dickinson in February with a request. Jones had focused on schemes and not necessarily technique with Alabama's coaching staff. He wanted a refresher on deep-ball techniques from Dickinson.

"Just getting kind of that third-party outside source I can have as like a family member-type person," Jones said, "and Coach D has been really cool."

Dickinson — who has limited his travel after a devastating auto crash 3½ years ago — left his home in Oklahoma and headed to Alabama in February. They spent a few days working on Jones' mechanics as he threw to the Crimson Tide's talented receivers.

Dickinson knew immediately a special season was possible. He has watched every game this season, seeing Jones complete 275 of 357 passes (77%) for 4,036 yards, 36 touchdowns and only four interceptions.

Dickinson grudgingly accepts that his mentoring played a "minimal part" in Jones' development.

"You gotta count your successes as you go in this business," he said. "I knew he could do it. Now he's done it. Now everybody's expecting big things all the time. I tell him he's created his own expectation level that's very high."

https://www.buckeyextra.com/story/football/2021/01/10/mac-jones-mentor-has-always-been-impressed-alabama-quarterback/6593622002/

You watch the QB21 with Kirk Herbstreit? Jones deflected on both of those passes. First interception he made clear that it was the right read, said it twice and then said he overthrew it or something. 2nd pass, completely threw his FB under the bus and said he missed the block. While that is true, not a good look man
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

im not on the jones bandwagon, but i do see where he excels and why kyle would take him.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Totally agree. Give him Aiyuk, Deebo, Kittle and Sanu and possibly Mostert and Jeff, and he has a full deck of cards to play with and throw to. Not to mention possibly a WR in the early to mid rounds in this draft and he'll have a nice set of receivers that can get YAC yardage to. ShanaLynch still have 7+ draft picks in this years draft to continue to add depth and talent to build around Jimmy 2.0.
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Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm seriously thinking of buying what you are selling. All three can operate the po9cket, and all three (yes even Mac) can scramble and throw off schedule. It's that each of the 3 have variations of the skills needed to operate Kyle's system to make it hard in my eyes to see who is head and shoulders better than the other. I do think Mac leads in the processing category. I really believe that. I think - from a processing standpoint - the other two take a backseat to Mac. I still have it Fields>Mac (almost practically even overall) and then distant third is Lance.

I think outside of Lawrence being a #1 lock you could make an argument as to why all 4 guys should be selected next and why they shouldn't. My personal list is Jones>Fields>>>>>>Lance. The way I look at it is there are smarter people than me making the decision. So I will trust Kyle and hope for the best no matter which guy they select.

Agree. Again if Kyle can make an undrafted QB - have the 2nd amount of passing yards in NFL rookie history behind only Mahomes, well what can he do with a bigger stronger and faster Nick Mullens.

Kidding. But seriously I think the Matt Ryan/Tom Brady(before he became GOAT) comparisons are appropriate. No one knows how any of the top five QBs will react to NFL speed and pressure, not even they themselves. We'll all find out, including the players themselves how it will turn out. I'm thankful also that I don't have to make that decision, and I think Kyle is so confident (bordering on arrogance as a lot of pro-Fields and pre-Lance folks have said) that I'm glad he's the one deciding because he has the skill set to make this 100% the correct choice. (hopefully).
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Originally posted by Dshearn:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I'm seriously thinking of buying what you are selling. All three can operate the po9cket, and all three (yes even Mac) can scramble and throw off schedule. It's that each of the 3 have variations of the skills needed to operate Kyle's system to make it hard in my eyes to see who is head and shoulders better than the other. I do think Mac leads in the processing category. I really believe that. I think - from a processing standpoint - the other two take a backseat to Mac. I still have it Fields>Mac (almost practically even overall) and then distant third is Lance.

If you watch enough of Jones....you really can see a lot of stuff the 49ers have been missing for a very long time. The quick reads, the manipulating the defense with his eyes....that stuff is what we were seriously wanting with both Smith and Kap.

Jones should be in the top QB talks.

Some one had said if Jones is the Brees or Brady of the group, Fields was the Steve Young. Man i can see that....

I can really see a Steve Young in fields.

I think Jones has an advantage in ball placement, defense manipulation, and release and Fields has an advantage in footwork, velocity and mobility. Both are pretty darn accurate. When i see Fields effortlessly move around it reminds of Bill Walsh talking about the massive advantage in getting back in your drop quickly, the SOLE REASON he drafted Joe Montana.

I am glad its not my choice to make. I really like Jones the QB, I think he is the best QB....but i really REALLLLLY have character concerns with him.

Fields on the other hand is so darn likable. He is charismatic and seems like a good dude. You cant help but root for the guy, if we had to start a QB this year its jones all the way for me...but if we are sitting a guy behind Jimmy G anyway.....well...damn.... Fields really could be Steve Young 2.0.

I would probably lean Jones...but i am very happy its not my choice. I am very happy the 49ers get one of them tho.

Agree, I'm to the point where I think it's Fields = Jones > Lance. I'll be fine with Fields or Jones (and even Lance) so long as Kyle is the one picking and not John or Adams.

In 1994 Steve Young operated a very explosive passing game, and I doubt if he scrambled much that year, and even in the playoffs, he didn't scramble much as he demolished San Diego in the super bowl. Mac will be fine if he's given a decent OLine, and good WR's that can get open and catch the ball.

Any of the three will be fine with me, as long Kyle is the one picking.
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.
Should stayed at 12 picked up a Patrick Surtain or Najee Harris or traded down. Then pick up Davis Mills.

I have no idea what this FO is doing.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

But you still have to be conceding that you think the other guys will never reach their potential as pure passers and are essentially stating that Mac as a pure passer is worth. more than whatever the best version of Fields/Lance can get to as passers + their mobility/athleticism.
Originally posted by Bloodless:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NinerBuff:
I feel like if you're on the Jones bandwagon, it's because you believe that neither Fields or Lance will be as good as Jones is right now and that is more valuable than any potential the other two have.

Or you think Jones can get better as well. All of this talk about potential seems to zero in almost 100% on arm strength or just pure athleticism but there's a lot more to quarterbacking and Jones as a guy with only 17 starts still has plenty of room to improve and become a more well-rounded passer overall.

Help me out. The last physically average QB to succeed in the NFL was?

A guy named Tom Brady. You might not remember because the last time he won anything was so long ago.

If he's the "last one" drafted,....that draft was 21 years ago. That'd be all the more reason to skip on Mac Jones.
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