Javon Kinlaw is a Jet!-Pick #14, 2020 NFL Draft.

Originally posted by dj43:

I'm not assuming he is 100% pass rusher. Clearly, that is not the primary responsibility for the position. However, he does appear to have more pass rush potential than did Buckner.

In fact, I would suggest that Lynch realized that as good as Buckner was at plugging things up in the middle, he had reached his ceiling in terms of pass rush. Lynch wanted more in this passing league and the number$ moved the needle.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
I'm not assuming he is 100% pass rusher. Clearly, that is not the primary responsibility for the position. However, he does appear to have more pass rush potential than did Buckner.

In fact, I would suggest that Lynch realized that as good as Buckner was at plugging things up in the middle, he had reached his ceiling in terms of pass rush. Lynch wanted more in this passing league and the number$ moved the needle.

That's very possible. I can certainly buy that. And then when that contract got too high, c-ya!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Half those dudes you wanted in the FA thread because they were quality players, experienced, good fits for the system, and of course, cheap...and would free up the draft.

Don't flip flop NY.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

How is that different from any other possible draft pick? You draft an OL that can't block in the NFL, well you could have just signed a guy off the street for the same performance. You draft a CB that can't cover, well you could have signed any number of guys off the street to replicate that same performance. You draft someone like Kinlaw because you believe they are capable of achieving that high level of play. Sometimes guys make it, sometimes they don't but that is a risk with any player you draft, its not exclusive to defensive tackles.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SFrush:
Wow I get that your still bitter we passed on Wirfs but finding a quality 3tech that can rush passer was not going to be that easy.

But it's not a huge need. It's a luxury. It's greedy and may not be a big difference in the effect on wins and losses at the end of the day from what we'd be without him.

You'd still have in nickel:
Ford - AA - Jones/Taylor/Blair - Bosa

Then in base:
AA - Snacks - Jones - Bosa

This guy is going to have to become a game wrecker like Donald/Jarrett/Jones to elevate this DL above the point of primarily run stuffers.

Then you could have used that draft capital for CB or IOL, two positions that'll cost you significantly more down the road.

It's not a luxury. It's a key component of the winning formula that this team uses.

Originally posted by dj43:

I absolutely get where you are coming from on the OL need. We have chatted about that way back. I applaud Lynch for rolling the dice on Williams, who I believe has at least four good years remaining. My concern is still the IOL, as is yours. Richburg is fine when he is healthy but... Brunskill is the wild card, and I believe he will surprise a lot of people who have not been watching him. McK may be the versatile backup we want. Time will tell.

In the meantime, Buckner's old spot is secure.

Originally posted by SFrush:

That has to be a first. I've never heard someone call a 3tech a luxury. Especially considering we had two of the better ones(Young,Stubblefield) that were drafted in the first round in consecutive years which helped lead us to our fifth SB title.

Originally posted by 9er4lyphe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Half those dudes you wanted in the FA thread because they were quality players, experienced, good fits for the system, and of course, cheap...and would free up the draft.

Don't flip flop NY.

Who did I want? McCoy at this stage sure...this pick isn't about JUST this yr though.

Only flip flopping I'm see is how you're propping up guards who are blocking the dudes you're saying are a dime a dozen. If they're a dime a dozen so are guards that's are blocking them.

You're not gonna find many people that agree with your take NC.

Originally posted by dj43:

I absolutely get where you are coming from on the OL need. We have chatted about that way back. I applaud Lynch for rolling the dice on Williams, who I believe has at least four good years remaining. My concern is still the IOL, as is yours. Richburg is fine when he is healthy but... Brunskill is the wild card, and I believe he will surprise a lot of people who have not been watching him. McK may be the versatile backup we want. Time will tell.

In the meantime, Buckner's old spot is secure.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Look at all the IDT pass rushers like Suh. Every year these dudes are cut, traded and FA's and they aren't expensive either. Teams are getting rid of those salaries like Buckner and spending elsewhere.

If Suh wasn't such a head case, he'd still be on the team that drafted him, or on the team that gave him his second contract. His poor attitude and reputation keep him from staying anywhere long, not his lack of ability.

I give one "example" and you guys can't see past to the point.

Point: Every single year guys "like" Suh, Clowney, Buckner, Jackson, Reader, Hargrave, Pierre-Paul, Griffen, Harris, Reed, Collins, Phillips, Brockers, Suh, McCoy, Pierce, Wolfe, Bennett, Onyemata, Joseph, Jernigan, Snacks, etc. are available.

And that was JUST this off season.

Dime a dozen. Buy these cheap veterans and rotate. Save the top draft capital for players that are going to cost you a ton down the road like WR, CB, OL.

Originally posted by Memphis9er:

Haha Haha, okay man. We get it, they didn't pick your draft crush, or follow your plan. There were no corners worth taking, and we don't need to waste draft capital on a guard.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SFrush:
That has to be a first. I've never heard someone call a 3tech a luxury. Especially considering we had two of the better ones(Young,Stubblefield) that were drafted in the first round in consecutive years which helped lead us to our fifth SB title.

It's a luxury when you already have Jones, AA, Bosa and Ford, plus Warner, Kwon and Greenlaw when veteran 3T's are cheap on the FA market annually...and we're a top 5 front 7 without Buckner.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Just McCoy?

You were perfectly fine picking up a cheaper veteran 3T and saving 13 for more important and pressing needs like WR, OL and DT later. And I agreed.

I also didn't mention G's.

Just talking team building and prioritizing and in the direction they did go, what needs to happen to validate the value of that choice over far more pressing needs like OL, WR, CB, ER, etc.

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by 9er4lyphe:

Great Breakdown.