Deebo Samuel-WR-South Carolina

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

I am totally on board with this. I wouldn't pay him a dime over 22million per. If he wants something more than that i'd try offloading him. Jets were offering #10 for Metcalf. I'd look into trying to get Denzel Mims (who was on the block last year) #10 and a 3rd.

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
If they extend Deebo, who gets cut or traded? He's going to force someone else out. Kittle? Warner? 30m on a non QB is stupid. Trade his diva ass for a couple first rounders and focus on Aiyuk, Jennings and kittle or draft another. Sacrificing the entire team for one WR is ridiculous

For the hundredth time no WR is making $30M per yr so please stop using that number for anything.

2nd they don't have to trade s**t. Not every player is gonna to be on massive cap hits at the same time and you can always restructure.

3rd they a starting QB making peanuts for the next 4 yrs. That allows them to sign other guys to top money. They will all be on backend of their deals when his money starts to kick in…

so no. No one needs to be traded. No one is sacrificing anything.

The freezing cold takes in here are gold

Originally posted by krizay:
I am totally on board with this. I wouldn't pay him a dime over 22million per. If he wants something more than that i'd try offloading him. Jets were offering #10 for Metcalf. I'd look into trying to get Denzel Mims (who was on the block last year) #10 and a 3rd.

No the jets were no offering the 10th overall pick. That has been debunked.

just pay the dude. Who else are we throwing the money at? Bosa will get paid regardless…they don't spend money in free agency and the cap is going through the roof in the next two seasons.

49er fans "we haven't had a great receiver since T.O."
football gods "fine here's Deebo"
49er fans "Nah fam I just like to complain trade him"

Originally posted by 9moon:
hang on there buddy.... Deevah had a very awesome year, no one will argue .. BUT, Just what EVERY position are you talking about?

When did he dominate as a WR of all the years he's been here?

JaMarr Chase as a rookie already showed better overall talent as a WR than Deebo.. and I'm pretty sure if SF trades Deebo to Cincy straight up for CHASE, many, including YOU will not argue..

some WR from the Rams who came back from a knee injury DOMINATED the league last year as a WR, he was not better than DEEBO all around, but he was WAYYYYY better than Deebo as a WR last year..

.. and what Deebo did for us, Cordarrelle did the same for the Falcons... .. WILL YOU GIVE BOTH 24 A YEAR ??

He had 800 yards as a rookie lol ( almost 1K total yards). With Jimmy G, his 20th ranked passing attempts, and only getting 80 targets. He avg 14 yard per reception.

2021 AS A WR he avg 18.1 yards per reception lead the league. He ha 1,400 yards with Jimmy G and his 20th ranked passing attempts (deebo wasn't even in the top 20 in targets). He DOMINATED and clearly has improved as a WR. Go as Jalen Ramsey.

SF fans would love to trade for Chase because he's on a rookie deal.

That Ram WR tore his ACL in 2019. It's 2021. He is a damn good WR with a MUCH MUCH better QB. You think Deebo improves if Matt Stafford is his QB? I do. Kupp almost had 200 freaking targets this yr. He's grossly underpaid and his agent sucks.

The issue with your Patterson comp is he can't do both. He had 540 yard receiving last yr mostly RPO stuff with a couple fade catches. Deebo had 1,400 and is a YAC god. Patterson had 153 rushing attempts for 618 yards (4YPC) Deebo had 53 rushing attempts for 365 yards (6.2 YPC). Not the same player, never were the same player.

Pay your own that you drafted & developed. They're clearly not burning cash in free agency, so the money should go to your guys that do all the damn work. period.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
49er fans "we haven't had a great receiver since T.O."
football gods "fine here's Deebo"
49er fans "Nah fam I just like to complain trade him"

Pretty much, acting like it's their cash lol.

During FA: nah we don't spend money on free agents "we pay our own"

Now we have to pay our own....trade him for what if picks in a s**tty draft with a underwhelming WR class

People acting like he's gonna get $30M a year, not understanding how contracts work, the cap works, and the fact no WR is making $30M per. If you're gonna complain at least use the right numbers.

I feel like it's ground hog's day. Same s**t last yr with Warner/Kittle and yeah we had people saying s**t about resigning Trent too lol.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

49er fans "we haven't had a great receiver since T.O."
football gods "fine here's Deebo"
49er fans "Nah fam I just like to complain trade him"

$25 mil a year?? For a WR??

I don't think ANYONE (fanbase) doesn't absolutely love and want Deebo back. I admit that I haven't spent one second trying to figure out what the cap situation is and how an extension for Deebo would impact it but it HAS to be considered. Simply meaning, if Deebo's salary would count for 20% of the total cap (just making that number up), is that smart to do? For a QB yes but any other player better be a difference maker. Deebo is but in our offense I feel like we can replace much of what he brings.

If playing Madden GM, I'd rather trade him and use that money for a stud free-agent elsewhere. Plus, imagine what you could get for him right now?

Originally posted by raywm3:
$25 mil a year?? For a WR??

I don't think ANYONE (fanbase) doesn't absolutely love and want Deebo back. I admit that I haven't spent one second trying to figure out what the cap situation is and how an extension for Deebo would impact it but it HAS to be considered. Simply meaning, if Deebo's salary would count for 20% of the total cap (just making that number up), is that smart to do? For a QB yes but any other player better be a difference maker. Deebo is but in our offense I feel like we can replace much of what he brings.

If playing Madden GM, I'd rather trade him and use that money for a stud free-agent elsewhere. Plus, imagine what you could get for him right now?

What stud free agent is helping us this year more than having Deebo back? The draft capital we would receive we would spend on another receiver and hope he's good like Deebo just so in 3 to 4 years we can trade him cause paying a position what the market dictates is expensive. We had fans laughing at the Packers and Chiefs cause they traded their go to receivers and now want to join the party when we do not have a QB making that kinda money.

Originally posted by raywm3:
$25 mil a year?? For a WR??

I don't think ANYONE (fanbase) doesn't absolutely love and want Deebo back. I admit that I haven't spent one second trying to figure out what the cap situation is and how an extension for Deebo would impact it but it HAS to be considered. Simply meaning, if Deebo's salary would count for 20% of the total cap (just making that number up), is that smart to do? For a QB yes but any other player better be a difference maker. Deebo is but in our offense I feel like we can replace much of what he brings.

If playing Madden GM, I'd rather trade him and use that money for a stud free-agent elsewhere. Plus, imagine what you could get for him right now?

You do realize the cap is about to go up 20% in the next yr and in a couple years we're looking at $300M in cap space. $25M is not gonna be some outlandish number and APY is the dumbest thing to even complain about. We should all be smart enough to understand the only thing that matters is FGTD.

Mahomes is getting $36M this yr and isn't even 20% of the total cap.

Also what stud FA? first off FA is all but done and 2nd SF never blows their load in FA. We were just complaining about they're not spending money (again). Why would it change now? They would rather hold onto a $27M back QB then go upgrade the team.

What I would imagine they would get for him is nothing more than GB/KC got for Hill, which is a low end 1st and low end 2nd AT MOST.

Just pay your player. They don't pay outside of the team....this draft overall is not great and the WR class isn't special at all.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
What stud free agent is helping us this year more than having Deebo back? The draft capital we would receive we would spend on another receiver and hope he's good like Deebo just so in 3 to 4 years we can trade him cause paying a position what the market dictates is expensive. We had fans laughing at the Packers and Chiefs cause they traded their go to receivers and now want to join the party when we do not have a QB making that kinda money.

It's really this simple. SF can afford Bosa/Debbo with the cap increases and not forking over $100M in FGTD cash for a QB for the next 4 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
No the jets were no offering the 10th overall pick. That has been debunked.

just pay the dude. Who else are we throwing the money at? Bosa will get paid regardless…they don't spend money in free agency and the cap is going through the roof in the next two seasons.

I'm fine with paying the dude. If it fits into what I would want to do. Which to me 22 mill per is plenty for a WR and even that is steep. OL and DL likely would be only positions i'd out pay the previous guy. That's only if they are worth it. Like Trent and Bosa. Paying Deebo top dollar just because he's the next guy to sign is not good business. Same thing when Trey's contract is up. He could go on to have a Patrick Mahomes like years 2-4 and I still would refuse to pay him to be the highest paid guy just because he's the next guy up.

I understand some franchises have to over pay. With Kyle here I don't believe we have to.

In a perfect world, theses athletes would quit being 100% greedy and settle for 75% greedy to put better players around them. At least as it relates to my teams anyway. I'm also only talking about the 100-200+ million $$$ guys.

Originally posted by 9moon:

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Originally posted by JTB1974:
I would think the guaranteed money would be more important to Deebo due to his playing style and how he is often used. So why not offer him a 5 year deal worth $20 Million a year but make it fully guaranteed? So while he can not say he is the highest paid WR, He can say he is the only WR who's entire contract is fully guaranteed and has the most guaranteed money out of any WR. So while he can't make more than $100 Million, He also can't make less than that.

Cause he's on average missing about 4 games a season, and given how he's being used now, that is more likely to go up than down.

If they are worried about him getting injured than stop using him like that. It isn't right to make him the focal point of the offense and than refuse to pay him like one.

He was injured before they ever started using him out of the backfield. That's not why he gets hurt. He plays like Kittle and runs so hard that injuries are just bound to happen.

I read the article from SI and they make a good point about Aiyuk. If Deebo gets paid big money won't Aiyuk expect the same if he has one big season. As they point out, he's more likely to be a downfield target for Lance and could easily become the number one target, especially if Deebo misses a few games.

OFTEN I post ... that YUCK is a better WR than Deevah... Deevah is a gadget and last year, he was the BEST GADGET in the NFL.. I posted 24 a year, and i fully believe that it's too much for a GADGET guy..

you all think defenses NEXT year will not figure out a GADGET ??

Nope. Because the only reason he's a "gadget" is because he's ABLE to dominate defenses at every level and from every position.

That's why I actually agree with everyone saying he should be paid for what he brings to the offense. I simply said the team would not want to guarantee him that much. If it were me, instead, I'd pay him for what he gives, but build in protections for the team if he's unable to do it. Make him the highest paid non-QB in the NFL—IF he plays and continues to play like one.

hang on there buddy.... Deevah had a very awesome year, no one will argue .. BUT, Just what EVERY position are you talking about?

When did he dominate as a WR of all the years he's been here?

JaMarr Chase as a rookie already showed better overall talent as a WR than Deebo.. and I'm pretty sure if SF trades Deebo to Cincy straight up for CHASE, many, including YOU will not argue..

CHase had an elite QB throwing to him, and yet managed only 50 more yards. Moreover, Deebo beat Chase in yards per catch, but there's a difference you Jimmy homers never quite get: Deebo averaged 10.1 RAC yards per reception. Chase was merely 8.0. And what about who does most of the work on a given catch? Chase was ranked 22nd in yards before reception. Guess where Deebo was? 51st! Deebo did MOST of the work on HIS yards, because Deebo had Garoppolo for a QB, while Chase had Joe Burrow.

Deebo's receptions per broken tackle was was 5.9, meaning he broke a tackle every 6 catches. Chase was some 20 ranks lower, with 10.1. And yeah, Deebo had some drops, but his drop rate was 8.3, which was better than Chase's drop rate of 8.7. Deebo was better than Chase last year.

The only reason someone would make that trade is because Chase will probably develop into something more. But Chase may very well end up being the best WR in the game in a couple years, so this is a ludicrous argument anyway. Your argument is that because Deebo isn't the best WR in the game he therefore didn't dominate at WR.

I GUARANTEE you Deebo was a top 10 WIDE RECEIVER this past year, probably top 5.

some WR from the Rams who came back from a knee injury DOMINATED the league last year as a WR, he was not better than DEEBO all around, but he was WAYYYYY better than Deebo as a WR last year..

No, he wasn't. He had a better QB and took advantage of that. Deebo had to earn his yards in traffic because Jimmy is allergic to throwing outside and deep. And "WAYYYY" better?

Cooper was SLIGHTLY better. You do realize that it was Deebo right behind him in yards most of the year, right? Kupp was 55th in the NFL in YAC/reception. Deebo was the number ONE WR in the NFL (4th overall behind three running backs) with almost twice as much. And Kupp had a mere 13.4 yards per reception despite not having to make a large majority of the yards himself. Deebo? Led the NFL with 18.2. This, again, with Deebo having to do a much greater share of the work post-catch than almost every other WR.

On a per catch basis, Kupp hgained 43.3 percent of the yards. Deebo? 54.9. Deebo is one of the few who actually got the majority of his yards on his own. (note: Chase got 44.4 percent of his own yards, so let that sink in).

.. and what Deebo did for us, Cordarrelle did the same for the Falcons... .. WILL YOU GIVE BOTH 24 A YEAR ??

Uh no. Patterson was not even close in production. He had a mere 7.4 YAC/R, nearly 3 behind Deebo. Moreover, he was primarily a running back. He had a mere 548 yards receiving. Hell, he only had 618 yards rushing. For comparison, Deebo had 1405 yards receiving (most of which he got on his own) and 365 yards rushing at 6.2 per carry. Patterson, by contrast, had only 4.0.

This is a ludicrous comparison. Deebo is an ELITE weapon. Patterson is a utility guy.