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Nov 18, 2022 at 7:46 AM

9moon
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
After watching multiple videos, I can say Deebo not showing up has some to do with Jimmy G's execution, at least for this past chargers game.

NON SENSE !!

Deevah now has to play more of a real WR (which he is not) instead of being a great GADGET is actually hurting his plays...

SKITTLES only had one catch, is that Grappy's fault?

Juice didn't even get his # call (if not mistaken).. is that Grappy's fault too?

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Nov 18, 2022 at 3:36 PM

#18002

LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
After watching multiple videos, I can say Deebo not showing up has some to do with Jimmy G's execution, at least for this past chargers game.

NON SENSE !!

Deevah now has to play more of a real WR (which he is not) instead of being a great GADGET is actually hurting his plays...

SKITTLES only had one catch, is that Grappy's fault?

Juice didn't even get his # call (if not mistaken).. is that Grappy's fault too?

Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

Nov 18, 2022 at 4:06 PM

#18003

krizay
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

In 2018 George Kittle was George Kittle because Kendrick Bourne was our #1 WR. Just like Vernon Davis and Eric Johnson put up big numbers due to no competition for targets.

That said, what happened to all those misdirection plays that left him WIDE open and let him rack up the YAC

DISCLAIMER: all I'm saying is hard to put up 2018 numbers in this offense with all the talent we have.

[ Edited by krizay on Nov 18, 2022 at 4:07 PM ]

Nov 18, 2022 at 4:08 PM

#18004

49erFaithful6
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Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

In 2018 George Kittle was George Kittle because Kendrick Bourne was our #1 WR. Just like Vernon Davis and Eric Johnson put up big numbers due to no competition for targets.

That said, what happened to all those misdirection plays that left him WIDE open and let him rack up the YAC

I'm guessing Ds adjusted and cuz we don't go vertical save for 1 or 2 times per year, teams pack the middle aka the Kittle zone.

Nov 18, 2022 at 4:52 PM

#18005

Crown
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Got the bag, Caught the lag.....

Nov 18, 2022 at 5:55 PM

#18006

DRCHOWDER
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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
After watching multiple videos, I can say Deebo not showing up has some to do with Jimmy G's execution, at least for this past chargers game.

NON SENSE !!

Deevah now has to play more of a real WR (which he is not) instead of being a great GADGET is actually hurting his plays...

SKITTLES only had one catch, is that Grappy's fault?

Juice didn't even get his # call (if not mistaken).. is that Grappy's fault too?

Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

To add on to the Deebo point, I can show two plays from this past game if wanted that if Jimmy threw to Deebo or gave him a better ball its al least +50 yards to his stat sheet. This doesn't even include the missed RPOs by Jimmy that would given him probably a touchdown.

[ Edited by DRCHOWDER on Nov 18, 2022 at 5:56 PM ]

Nov 19, 2022 at 2:40 PM

#18007

NCommand
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Great breakdown on the Deebo issues. Great news for Aiyuk.

Nov 19, 2022 at 4:29 PM

#18008

LifelongNiner
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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

In 2018 George Kittle was George Kittle because Kendrick Bourne was our #1 WR. Just like Vernon Davis and Eric Johnson put up big numbers due to no competition for targets.

That said, what happened to all those misdirection plays that left him WIDE open and let him rack up the YAC

I'm guessing Ds adjusted and cuz we don't go vertical save for 1 or 2 times per year, teams pack the middle aka the Kittle zone.

I can see both points. It befuddles me that defenses can take all of those plays away however. Like how do you cover Deebo, CMC, and McCaffrey all at once? Surely something can be schemed up to get Kittle off. Also I don't think we see 2021 Deebo until we get the other players off to give Deebo space to work with. We will see if we can put up 30+ with consistency as the season goes up.

Nov 19, 2022 at 4:30 PM

#18009

9moon
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
After watching multiple videos, I can say Deebo not showing up has some to do with Jimmy G's execution, at least for this past chargers game.

NON SENSE !!

Deevah now has to play more of a real WR (which he is not) instead of being a great GADGET is actually hurting his plays...

SKITTLES only had one catch, is that Grappy's fault?

Juice didn't even get his # call (if not mistaken).. is that Grappy's fault too?

Its who he goes to, who is open. Pass protection holds up well enough to get through all the reads, so yes, this year, moreso than any other, I'm blaming Jimmy. My fault with Kyle is with not leaning on Kittle more with the pass protection being much improved. He needs to take advantage and give us that 2018 George Kittle.

To add on to the Deebo point, I can show two plays from this past game if wanted that if Jimmy threw to Deebo or gave him a better ball its al least +50 yards to his stat sheet. This doesn't even include the missed RPOs by Jimmy that would given him probably a touchdown.

AGAIN ... if there's anyone on the team who's not HURT that can do a better job than Grappy, then the HC should pull the trigger and put the guy in..

Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 PM

#18010

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Take a look back at some of Deebo Samuel's longest career TDs! Which one is your favorite? 🔥 pic.twitter.com/AhNWaoK73H
— NFL (@NFL) November 19, 2022

some lonest TDs 4 u

Nov 19, 2022 at 6:13 PM

#18011

9moon
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Originally posted by picklejuice:

Take a look back at some of Deebo Samuel's longest career TDs! Which one is your favorite? 🔥 pic.twitter.com/AhNWaoK73H
— NFL (@NFL) November 19, 2022

some lonest TDs 4 u

HE one awesome GADGET i tell you !! one awesome GADGET !!

Nov 20, 2022 at 9:15 AM

#18012

ninerfan818
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Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
This mofo. He griped and griped to get more money. Aiyuk is playing better and looks like the better receiver. Gets open more often it seems. With Jennings, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC...should they trade Deebo for a first in 2023?

This gave me a chuckle.

hes still the best with the ball in his hand.

Not nearly as well as last season.

He's not got the ball in his hand enough to matter though right now. With CMC on the team now we do not need a wide back. AT ALL. The 49ers need high end receiving options and for him to get open.

If he can't get open then he is not bringing as much value to the team. I say trade him while his vue is high. Get us a first rounder and maybe a second and move on. Aiyuk, Jennings, Gray, Kittle, CMC. Plenty of people to catch the rock.

[ Edited by ninerfan818 on Nov 20, 2022 at 9:16 AM ]

Nov 20, 2022 at 9:21 AM

#18013

Gorewhore21
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No. That's a terrible idea. Even without the ball the defense has to account for him and it affects the game. He is a game changer and we absolutely need him down the road for the playoff push and future years.

Nov 20, 2022 at 9:32 AM

#18014

9moon
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
This mofo. He griped and griped to get more money. Aiyuk is playing better and looks like the better receiver. Gets open more often it seems. With Jennings, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC...should they trade Deebo for a first in 2023?

This gave me a chuckle.

hes still the best with the ball in his hand.

Not nearly as well as last season.

He's not got the ball in his hand enough to matter though right now. With CMC on the team now we do not need a wide back. AT ALL. The 49ers need high end receiving options and for him to get open.

If he can't get open then he is not bringing as much value to the team. I say trade him while his vue is high. Get us a first rounder and maybe a second and move on. Aiyuk, Jennings, Gray, Kittle, CMC. Plenty of people to catch the rock.

THIS exactly what I posted earlier... as good as DEEVAH is, we can get a lot (picks) for him.. or maybe even a young RT.. plus, even if the other team benefits, it's not like DEEVAH is a JaMarr type of player..

Nov 20, 2022 at 9:38 AM

#18015

CatchMaster80
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Originally posted by ninerfan818:

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by ninerfan818:
This mofo. He griped and griped to get more money. Aiyuk is playing better and looks like the better receiver. Gets open more often it seems. With Jennings, Aiyuk, Kittle and CMC...should they trade Deebo for a first in 2023?

This gave me a chuckle.

hes still the best with the ball in his hand.

Not nearly as well as last season.

He's not got the ball in his hand enough to matter though right now. With CMC on the team now we do not need a wide back. AT ALL. The 49ers need high end receiving options and for him to get open.

If he can't get open then he is not bringing as much value to the team. I say trade him while his vue is high. Get us a first rounder and maybe a second and move on. Aiyuk, Jennings, Gray, Kittle, CMC. Plenty of people to catch the rock.

I question how much you can get for a receiver "that can't get open". If you had traded him last year his value would hav ebeen higher. Ther drop in production thus year may have hurt his trade value.