Originally posted by lamontb:
No team is trading up for Herbert
Should a team trade up for Herbert? Probably not. But will a team trade up for Herbert? Possibly.
At the end of the day the quarterback position is perceived to be the most important on the field. When you don't have your franchise quarterback, teams will always be looking at ways to acquire one, and at times they are going to clutch at straws and gamble their future on someone that potentially they shouldn't gamble on. Job security in this league is not amazing. Head coaches have been fired after one season. GMs have been fired not too long into their tenure. So if a head coach and/or GM are on shaky ground, and their team needs a QB to turn around their fortunes, then those teams are not going to sit back and wait until 2020 (or whenever) because there is a very good chance they won't be around to make those selections in 2020 if their 2019 season replicates their 2018 season due to the lack of a QB. Drafting a QB perceived to be the future of the franchise can give them more time, or at least give them a better shot at holding onto their jobs. Now we as fans may disagree with this approach because hot seat candidates are gambling the future of a team when they might not be the job the following year, but there's not a lot to be done about that because they are the decision makers. The only way to prevent such things would be for the owner step in and overrule them, but that would be a negative in itself because potential GMs and head coaches don't tend to like interfering owners.
So while I agree that no team should trade up for Herbert. I think we would all be naive to think that a team won't trade up for him if they are desperate or truly believe he's a franchise quarterback.
Originally posted by 9moon:
EXACTLY what everyone once thought of a BAD idea to trade up for...
GOFF
WENTZ
MAHOMES
TRUBISKY
.. One thing we should ALL be aware about in TODAY's draft is that TEAM(S) will move up to land the player they want..
When it comes to the position that most perceive to be the most important on the field of play, teams are obviously going to do whatever they can to land the prospect to fill that position long term. We as fans might question why teams would give up picks to move up to select them, but it's like when a team goes for it on fourth down, when it comes off they are a genius, when it doesn't they are an idiot. Same goes for trading up for QBs. When it comes off they are praised, when it doesn't they are criticised. For me, I'd rather my team take a gamble to secure that prospect rather than take their second, third or fourth choice prospect because the teams that win the most have a franchise quarterback. So it is very important to get one and a team should be willing to pay the price in order to get one.
Originally posted by dj43:
If we look at the current draft order, none of the first four teams need a QB. The Giants are #5 and will certainly take Herbert unless he bombs out at the combine. Then comes the Jags and another four teams that don't need a QB.
All of that to say that the possibility of the 49ers trading back with any of the QB-needy teams is just non-existent. The only trade-up scenario for a QB that I could envision for the Jags is to deal with the Jets at #4 just to beat the Giants to Herbert. Would that possibility lead to a domino effect of going even higher? I doubt it but it could lead to some interesting rumors.
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I wouldn't rule out the Raiders selecting a quarterback. Gruden has already shown little loyalty to players selected prior to his arrival. They sent Mack to the Bears and Cooper to the Cowboys. They were two high draft picks who should have been cornerstones to their team long term, but he sent them both packing for different reasons. So while Gruden denies that the team are thinking about trading Derek Carr, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they did decide to trade Derek Carr this off season and try to land a decent package of picks for him. I do agree that the top four shouldn't take a quarterback, but the Raiders are not exactly a model franchise and could throw a spanner in the works by selecting one.
As for teams trading up above the Giants, you are probably right that the list is pretty small. The question those teams would have to answer is whether Herbert is that much better than the other prospects with first round tags on them? At the minute I'd argue that there isn't much to separate him from Lock, Jones, Finley, Haskins, and perhaps even Grier. They all have their plus points and negatives, so despite my previous comment that teams should be willing to pay the price to trade up for a quarterback, when it comes to this year's class I wouldn't be paying over the odds for Herbert when the other prospects aren't necessarily a step down. But it does come down to the cost of the trade and how desperate the Jaguars (or any other team) get when it comes to wanting a quarterback.