Mike McGlinchey-OT-Denver Broncos

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. If Mike stinks and isn't clutch, try this.

Well I've long advocated there should be pass protecting OL who come in on 3rd down to protect the QB and slow footed OG's named Geoff Schwartz who come out. But no one listens to me …
But simply …they just run way more than we do. And it's "easier" to play OL tired than DL https://t.co/MB8CsdHmVd

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) July 17, 2021

I too like to play poker with everyone seeing my hand

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was just looking at PBWR in 2019 and fun fact McG had the 3rd highest PBWR in the league at 94% (so either this stat needs to go away and never be used again or McG was damn good in 2019)

PFF had him at 30th out of 57 in PBE.

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

I thought he had a pretty good 2019 personally. Better balance and more steady and consistent. More clutch.

30th in PBE seems a little low like 3rd in PBWR seems rather high IMHO.

So someone is full of s**t lol.

Was this meant to be a joke?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was just looking at PBWR in 2019 and fun fact McG had the 3rd highest PBWR in the league at 94% (so either this stat needs to go away and never be used again or McG was damn good in 2019)

PFF had him at 30th out of 57 in PBE.

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

I thought he had a pretty good 2019 personally. Better balance and more steady and consistent. More clutch.

30th in PBE seems a little low like 3rd in PBWR seems rather high IMHO.

Yeah for sure. MM was nowhere near top 10 or even top 20 in 2019 but he was much better than that pathetic showing last year. Let's hope with Banks and especially Mack he will perform much better. Also, the weight gain will help for sure

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. If Mike stinks and isn't clutch, try this.

Well I've long advocated there should be pass protecting OL who come in on 3rd down to protect the QB and slow footed OG's named Geoff Schwartz who come out. But no one listens to me …
But simply …they just run way more than we do. And it's "easier" to play OL tired than DL https://t.co/MB8CsdHmVd

— Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) July 17, 2021

I too like to play poker with everyone seeing my hand

I mean, it's not like the defense isn't going to bring it and being it with specialists who are fresh. Everyone knows it. Might as well combat it. I'd love to see a team try it!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I was just looking at PBWR in 2019 and fun fact McG had the 3rd highest PBWR in the league at 94% (so either this stat needs to go away and never be used again or McG was damn good in 2019)

PFF had him at 30th out of 57 in PBE.

Why'd the 49ers release Mike Person? The $2.5m salary-cap break is nice, but it begins and ends with a need for better pass protection.

Person ranked No. 51 of 61 qualifying guards in PFF's pass-blocking efficiency. I wrote about this last month here: https://t.co/behnIHcqlc pic.twitter.com/wEXhz8gWbM

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) March 19, 2020

I thought he had a pretty good 2019 personally. Better balance and more steady and consistent. More clutch.

30th in PBE seems a little low like 3rd in PBWR seems rather high IMHO.

So someone is full of s**t lol.

How they operationally define pass protection is the issue, not the counts. So yeah, in that case, they both are probably off quite a bit. You and I know this is one area of statistics that needs a lot of work.

Originally posted by NCommand:
How they operationally define pass protection is the issue, not the counts. So yeah, in that case, they both are probably off quite a bit. You and I know this is one area of statistics that needs a lot of work.

Agreed, maybe we just don't use analytics for PP all together?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Was this meant to be a joke?

ESPN PBWR had McG as the 3rd best OT in the NFL in 2019, he wasn't on the list this past yr lol.

my point was either McG actually played well in 2019, which I think is a fair statement or PBWR is full of s**t.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Was this meant to be a joke?

ESPN PBWR had McG as the 3rd best OT in the NFL in 2019, he wasn't on the list this past yr lol.

my point was either McG actually played well in 2019, which I think is a fair statement or PBWR is full of s**t.

He was elite in run blocking and solid in pass pro in 2019 and last year elite again in run blocking and below average in pass pro. Some of those games where he was getting absolutely destroyed by rotational players and players weighing 250 lbs was just sad

Let's hope he has a bounce back year. He has the talent which showed in 2019. He added some weight this off season which might help.

Money on the line fellas. He's gonna play well so he can get paid. Question will be should the niners pay him. Gonna be just like the AA situation.

Go from McFlinchey back to McGlinchey.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Money on the line fellas. He's gonna play well so he can get paid. Question will be should the niners pay him. Gonna be just like the AA situation.

I think he has to be elite for us to pay him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How they operationally define pass protection is the issue, not the counts. So yeah, in that case, they both are probably off quite a bit. You and I know this is one area of statistics that needs a lot of work.

Agreed, maybe we just don't use analytics for PP all together?

I don't know. It's very hard esp. when you don't factor in the playcall and protections (which no one is privy too). I've always looked collectively at the unit because the TE's, FB's and RB's are just as responsible. And then the scheme differences (i.e. C in this offense, QB in others). I think if you factor in the type of QB, hits, pressures, these kinds of metrics that can swing wildly on operational definitions, etc. you can get a solid idea but to your point, even those metrics can be so radically different in a single year.

I'll still post everything from hits to PBE and PBWR but I'd like fans to pay more attention to the collective unit than individual players. But that's just me. If you DO keep recognizing a single player, that's generally a bad thing.

Originally posted by lamontb:
Money on the line fellas. He's gonna play well so he can get paid. Question will be should the niners pay him. Gonna be just like the AA situation.

Not quite the same. AA had 2
3 full seasons of showing nothing. Even in McGlinchey's worst season, he was still a top tier run blocker. If it came down to the two of them, I'd bet on McGlinchey being an average pass protector and elite run blocker before I'd be on AA being an elite run defender (which he is good at) and average pass rusher. AA living up to that standard would make our Dline far more dangerous but I just wouldn't count on it.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Money on the line fellas. He's gonna play well so he can get paid. Question will be should the niners pay him. Gonna be just like the AA situation.

Not quite the same. AA had 2
3 full seasons of showing nothing. Even in McGlinchey's worst season, he was still a top tier run blocker. If it came down to the two of them, I'd bet on McGlinchey being an average pass protector and elite run blocker before I'd be on AA being an elite run defender (which he is good at) and average pass rusher. AA living up to that standard would make our Dline far more dangerous but I just wouldn't count on it.

Except one is responsible for protecting the most important/most expensive position on the team.