Mike McGlinchey-OT-Denver Broncos

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Tristan Wirfs a generational talent? Good lord.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
There are a lot of proposed scenarios floating around right now. I think I'd have to say letting Trent Williams walk and even considering MM play LT when pass pro was his weakness even coming out of college is by far and away the worse.

Truth.

Agree, but better scenario would've been to draft Wirfs last year. TB clearly saw the kids talent last year and traded up for him, unlike myopic Kyle's philosophy of missing out on generational talent right in front of his face because he's obsessed with an old player of his. Wirfs seems like a perennial pro bowler at a rookie salary. Would've put us in better position.
TW's elite, but even his presence didn't elevate the OL from being bad. His new contract will force niners to sacrifice some good players, which we probably could've kept in Wirfs scenario. Also TWs injury history is a concern. Don't need another Dee/Richburg scenario.
Kinlaw might turn out to be good down the line, but they didn't need him. Plenty of quality DTs on this team already. Kyle being stubborn and not learning from passing on Mahomes/Watson.

You know Kyle isn't the one drafting lol, especially not on defense. And woulda shoulda coulda isn't the answer. TW has to be back.

Originally posted by irief:
Point is this myopic approach has to change or we're gonna keep finding ourselves in the situation of Solomon Thomas (because of Cousins) over Mahomes/Watson. Kinlaw over Wirfs (because of TW).

Originally posted by hummbabybear:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
This may be a bit simplistic, but how in the world did McG go from being a fantastic draft pick who had a good first yr, to now? What exactly happened. It seemed he just kind of drifted downhill, but was there an injury i missed? If not, what?

He came out of the draft profiling as a very good run blocker with questions about his pass protection. Three seasons later he is a very good run blocker with questions about his pass protection. He is too one-dimensional and I can't see him getting the 5th year option.

Originally posted by irief:
Was implying mohomes/Watson as generational talents, which no ones gonna deny. Wirfs is on his way to being elite, we'll see about generational in a couple years.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by irief:
Was implying mohomes/Watson as generational talents, which no ones gonna deny. Wirfs is on his way to being elite, we'll see about generational in a couple years.

He's not generational at all. If he was he doesn't get taken 4 out of 4 at OT.

Like to see him play LT before comparing to an actual generational talent like Trent Williams.

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by irief:
Point is this myopic approach has to change or we're gonna keep finding ourselves in the situation of Solomon Thomas (because of Cousins) over Mahomes/Watson. Kinlaw over Wirfs (because of TW).

That easy huh? Maybe you should apply to be a GM

Originally posted by irief:
Never said Wirfs is generational. Meant Mahomes/Watson. I do think Wirfs is already one of the better tackles and grades out as elite. Don't think there would've been many complaints if he was a Niner. Also LT/RT importance is very similar now, since teams move pass rushers around. Just see how detrimental McGlinchy's PP was at RT.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's not generational at all. If he was he doesn't get taken 4 out of 4 at OT.

Like to see him play LT before comparing to an actual generational talent like Trent Williams.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's not generational at all. If he was he doesn't get taken 4 out of 4 at OT.

Like to see him play LT before comparing to an actual generational talent like Trent Williams.

Wirfs was an elite tackle in his first year. That is generational.

I didn't think he would be this good, though. Good for tampa

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
No it isn't. Darius Leonard was an elite LB his rookie year. No one thinks of him as a generational linebacker. Elite and generational are not one in the same. Generational guys, you see this thing coming and they are touted as such going into the draft. Adrian Peterson was generational. Andrew Luck was generational. Sean Taylor was generational. I could see Quentin Nelson fitting that description. It's not Wirfs and it doesn't make him any less of an elite player.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
No it isn't. Darius Leonard was an elite LB his rookie year. No one thinks of him as a generational linebacker. Elite and generational are not one in the same. Generational guys, you see this thing coming and they are touted as such going into the draft. Adrian Peterson was generational. Andrew Luck was generational. Sean Taylor was generational. I could see Quentin Nelson fitting that description. It's not Wirfs and it doesn't make him any less of an elite player.

This is where I disagree. It doesn't matter how high your draft stock was, if you produce at an nfl elite level day 1, that's a generational talent. I see kittle as a generational talent and he was drafted in the fifth.

Since you mentioned Luck, I'm assuming generational talent before they get drafted. Then yes, I agree that Wirfs wasn't seen as a generational talent. But he is a top tackle as a rookie. That's generational imo.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Would you consider John Offerdahl a generational talent at linebacker? To me,the generational guys only come around so often. We've seen top players as rookies. Its not a common occurrence, but We've seen it. The word is getting thrown around too much IMO.

Originally posted by irief:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Would you consider John Offerdahl a generational talent at linebacker? To me,the generational guys only come around so often. We've seen top players as rookies. Its not a common occurrence, but We've seen it. The word is getting thrown around too much IMO.

Stop obsessing over one word. You're missing the entire point. Going off on a tangent. Point is Kyles obsession/over valuing some previous players have made him lose out on quality/elite/pro bowl level players. I E No excuse for not scouting QBs in his first draft year because he was fixated on Cousins, who isn't even a top 10 qb. Can't keep repeating this pattern.