Alex Smith and the Washington Redskins

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

but like i said, no i don't t hink he's better, but it's not a huge difference. especially when you consider where they were drafted and the teams they played for.

Seriously?

Fitz has bounced around the league for 12 years with 7 different teams and an overall QB rating of 81.

Smith, OTOH, is with his third team, with the exception of his injury-related time, always a starter and a rating of 87 which includes those first three years on a team that was considered an "expansion-level" team.

It isn't about where you were drafted. It is about whether or not you can put your team in position to win. Smith does. Fitz doesn't.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

but like i said, no i don't t hink he's better, but it's not a huge difference. especially when you consider where they were drafted and the teams they played for.

Seriously?

Fitz has bounced around the league for 12 years with 7 different teams and an overall QB rating of 81.

Smith, OTOH, is with his third team, with the exception of his injury-related time, always a starter and a rating of 87 which includes those first three years on a team that was considered an "expansion-level" team.

It isn't about where you were drafted. It is about whether or not you can put your team in position to win. Smith does. Fitz doesn't.

Talent wise, his numbers, it's not that big of a difference. the difference is that Fitz never got the opportunity of a #1 pick, and wasn't groomed at an early age to be a franchise QB, so of course he's gonna bounce around when he's playing for terrible teams and not getting the opportunities.

and of course it matters were you get drafted. especially when you don't look like a great QB from the start. i doubt there are very many 7th round picks who started games as a rookie and teams built around them.

there's a huge difference how you get treated as a young player when you are a #1 overall compared to a 7th round pick. i doubt coaches even the knew the names of guys like Brady, Warner, Romo, etc. during the first several seasons on the team lol.

I wonder what percentage of #1 picks have 12+ year careers of mostly starting?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

but like i said, no i don't t hink he's better, but it's not a huge difference. especially when you consider where they were drafted and the teams they played for.

Seriously?

Fitz has bounced around the league for 12 years with 7 different teams and an overall QB rating of 81.

Smith, OTOH, is with his third team, with the exception of his injury-related time, always a starter and a rating of 87 which includes those first three years on a team that was considered an "expansion-level" team.

It isn't about where you were drafted. It is about whether or not you can put your team in position to win. Smith does. Fitz doesn't.

Talent wise, his numbers, it's not that big of a difference. the difference is that Fitz never got the opportunity of a #1 pick, and wasn't groomed at an early age to be a franchise QB, so of course he's gonna bounce around when he's playing for terrible teams and not getting the opportunities.

and of course it matters were you get drafted. especially when you don't look like a great QB from the start. i doubt there are very many 7th round picks who started games as a rookie and teams built around them.

there's a huge difference how you get treated as a young player when you are a #1 overall compared to a 7th round pick. i doubt coaches even the knew the names of guys like Brady, Warner, Romo, etc. during the first several seasons on the team lol.

You're hurting yourself here. The team Smith had around him was the worst I have seen in my 30+ years of watching 49er football. I recall one NFL observer saying the 2002 Houston Texans expansion team had more talent than that 2006 49er team. History went on to prove it.

Let's talk 2018 Redskins/Smith football, not regurgitate what happened over a decade ago.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by sacniner:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
ya lol i actually posted their stats like 2 weeks ago in here, not sure why i said that. meant to say that he almost has the same amount of TDs / Yards as Alex, while starting 40 less games. and he's never got to play for stacked teams like KC and Harbaugh's 49ers.

but no, i don't think he's better than Alex. but it just shows the reality with Smith when he's comparable to a 7th round pick.

Fitz - 190 td - 29200 yds
Alex - 193 td - 34000 yds

I see 165 games to 140, but didn't find starts. Can you link that? You said 40 less games...

Also, fitz has about 50 more picks which is insane. You left that out

google lol

Fitz - GS 125
AS - GS 160

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FitzRy00.htm
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitAl03.htm

but like i said, no i don't t hink he's better, but it's not a huge difference. especially when you consider where they were drafted and the teams they played for.

I think the 50+ picks is a HUGE difference. Like extraordinarily huge. Many wins/losses there. The first half, just about, of Smith's career he was on the worst teams in the NFL (he was horrible also). Not sure who is saying he plays like a clear cut number one. With that pick you expect pro bowl level QB.

Still can't believe that 99 vs 145 picks isn't a huge difference (in 35 less starts). That puts these two QBs in different categories.

Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

Since none of us are Redskins or Packers fans, yes what Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better than what Alex Smith is doing. Way better.

Originally posted by Jiks:
Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

Do you think Alex Smith is a Hall of Fame QB?

Originally posted by Jiks:

Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

Rodgers has 2 things Alex can only dream of. But I'm sure GB would trade that for 2 career playoff wins.

2x NFL MVP
1x Superbowl Champion
1x Superbowl MVP
6x Pro Bowler
3x All Pro
1x AP Athlete of the Year

or

0x NFL MVP
0x Superbowl Champ
0x Superbowl MVP
3x Pro Bowl alternate
0x All Pro
0x AP Athlete of the Year

Trolling isnt always from the anti-Smith point of view.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

Do you think Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Alex Smith?



Come on man

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

2x NFL MVP
1x Superbowl Champion
1x Superbowl MVP
6x Pro Bowler
3x All Pro
1x AP Athlete of the Year

or

0x NFL MVP
0x Superbowl Champ
0x Superbowl MVP
3x Pro Bowl alternate
0x All Pro
0x AP Athlete of the Year

Trolling isnt always from the anti-Smith point of view.

You say wins don't matter remember? Rodgers would have none of those accolades without winning first right?

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
2x NFL MVP
1x Superbowl Champion
1x Superbowl MVP
6x Pro Bowler
3x All Pro
1x AP Athlete of the Year

or

0x NFL MVP
0x Superbowl Champ
0x Superbowl MVP
3x Pro Bowl alternate
0x All Pro
0x AP Athlete of the Year

Trolling isnt always from the anti-Smith point of view.

You say wins don't matter remember? Rodgers would have none of those accolades without winning first right?

Wins are a team stat and an elementary way of evaluating quarterback play. But if you would like to play that game.....

Aaron Rodgers career winning percentage: .640
Alex Smith career winning percentage: .578

Next?

Originally posted by Jiks:

Remember folks, winning doesn't matter. What Aaron Rodgers is doing is way better.

As far as QB play goes, yes what Rodgers is doing is way better

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Jiks:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

2x NFL MVP
1x Superbowl Champion
1x Superbowl MVP
6x Pro Bowler
3x All Pro
1x AP Athlete of the Year

or

0x NFL MVP
0x Superbowl Champ
0x Superbowl MVP
3x Pro Bowl alternate
0x All Pro
0x AP Athlete of the Year

Trolling isnt always from the anti-Smith point of view.

You say wins don't matter remember? Rodgers would have none of those accolades without winning first right?

Wins are a team stat and an elementary way of evaluating quarterback play. But if you would like to play that game.....

Aaron Rodgers career winning percentage: .640
Alex Smith career winning percentage: .578

Next?

Seems pretty good to me. You guys make it seem like Alex is garbage. Why else would you be here? You guys can be condescending all you want but is amazingly obvious that any player regardless of draft position or position in general that plays for 12+ years is a good player.