Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Former Las Vegas Raiders GM Dave Ziegler tried to talk HC Josh McDaniels out of signing QB Jimmy Garoppolo to a three-year, $72 million deal, per @SInow

Jimmy G this season: 65.5 % Comp, 1,205 Yards, 7 TD 9 INT pic.twitter.com/3XqyCVlbEu

— NFL Rumors (@nflrums) November 8, 2023

JG was destined to be QB2, at best. Only McD would have elevated to QB1, based on thinking he was getting a 2016 version. At the very least, all the 'he was a b from the NE days takes', were exposed. No way McD moves on him, if that stuff was reality, more tin foil hat takes from a few.

I knew he was a back up . Lots of people felt Tebow was not an NFL QB .

how the f**k does McDaniels royally f**k that up ..... again

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Former Las Vegas Raiders GM Dave Ziegler tried to talk HC Josh McDaniels out of signing QB Jimmy Garoppolo to a three-year, $72 million deal, per @SInow

Jimmy G this season: 65.5 % Comp, 1,205 Yards, 7 TD 9 INT pic.twitter.com/3XqyCVlbEu

— NFL Rumors (@nflrums) November 8, 2023

JG was destined to be QB2, at best. Only McD would have elevated to QB1, based on thinking he was getting a 2016 version. At the very least, all the 'he was a b from the NE days takes', were exposed. No way McD moves on him, if that stuff was reality, more tin foil hat takes from a few.

I knew he was a back up . Lots of people felt Tebow was not an NFL QB .

how the f**k does McDaniels royally f**k that up ..... again

Yup, McNumbnuts gonna McNumbnuts, i question how he was hired again, after he melted down the DEN team, including getting rid of a QB, alienating the star receiver, it's the exact same playbook / recipe, for disaster

Now take JG, my offseason recommendation, was he goes to LAR as QB2. Well they need a QB2, they just hired Wentz off the street. JG went like 7-0 vs Rams or something like that, in regular season of course..

He knows the McVay stuff it's pretty similar to what we run, Stafford was known to have health issues last season. so I see the need in LAR for a QB2 and the fit for JG with McVay. It would have been better, but hey, can't fault JG for taking the big offer, if Vegas is offering it, he's gonna take it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this post went nowhere,
2nd and 10

As worthwhile as citing Jimmys NE experience.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this post went nowhere,
2nd and 10

As worthwhile as citing Jimmys NE experience.

it's JG and McD it's the same ppl,
what has changed?, time has changed for JG, and role has changed for McD, he's no longer OC, he was HC and making a mess of it

that's a sack, so you are at 3rd and 18

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it's JG and McD it's the same ppl,
what has changed?, time has changed for JG, and role has changed for McD, he's no longer OC, he was HC and making a mess of it

that's a sack, so you are at 3rd and 18

BuT what does it matter in terms of showing what kind of player he is? Was a whole 1 1/2 games. His play in NE had no bearing on how he panned out. Neither did a 5 game sample in 2017 anymore than Rob Johnsons 1 game.

Small samples don't show you enough. 2019-2022 Jimmy was basically the same guy all the time minus a handful of really nice performances. Kyle made him look better than he was.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
BuT what does it matter in terms of showing what kind of player he is? Was a whole 1 1/2 games. His play in NE had no bearing on how he panned out. Neither did a 5 game sample in 2017 anymore than Rob Johnsons 1 game.

Small samples don't show you enough. 2019-2022 Jimmy was basically the same guy all the time minus a handful of really nice performances. Kyle made him look better than he was.

You gotta go off what you gotta go off of, he was eval'd as round 2, and KS and JL saw what they saw
how about this, pull me the post from 2016 / 2017 where you say you ain't on board with this guy, or ain't on board with this contract
or are you doing some sort of hindsight, we didn't win the SB, therefore game..

understand 99% of the fanbase circa 2017 wanted the deal done on JG
you are facing, 4th down

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You gotta go off what you gotta go off of, he was eval'd as round 2, and KS and JL saw what they saw
how about this, pull me the post from 2016 / 2017 where you say you ain't on board with this guy, or ain't on board with this contract
or are you doing some sort of hindsight, we didn't win the SB, therefore game..

understand 99% of the fanbase circa 2017 wanted the deal done on JG
you are facing, 4th down

And I was clearly wrong and am never getting on board with judging on a small sample size again. It was clearly a mistske.

Sadly you go to ridiculous lengths to never admit you were wrong. Then try to pretend you told everyone all the same.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And I was clearly wrong and am never getting on board with judging on a small sample size again. It was clearly a mistske.

Sadly you go to ridiculous lengths to never admit you were wrong. Then try to pretend you told everyone all the same.

wrong on what?

JG did good for us, we went from not winning a game, to having a nice run
he was a part of that success,
we picked the right time to move on
where does the wrong part come in?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And I was clearly wrong and am never getting on board with judging on a small sample size again. It was clearly a mistske.

Sadly you go to ridiculous lengths to never admit you were wrong. Then try to pretend you told everyone all the same.

wrong on what?

JG did good for us, we went from not winning a game, to having a nice run
he was a part of that success,
we picked the right time to move on
where does the wrong part come in?

well we can use the most recent of JG being a broken, worn down old man

"Cmon guys, help this get to 10k" - Jimmy G.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

He has 28M and 12M dead cap next 2 years.

somewhere out there, a Raider forum member just started a certain countdown

You think Raiders fans can count.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
He has 28M and 12M dead cap next 2 years.

somewhere out there, a Raider forum member just started a certain countdown

You think Raiders fans can count.

you are right, maybe just a one day closer

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
well we can use the most recent of JG being a broken, worn down old man

oh yeah, my bad, he's in his prime right?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And I was clearly wrong and am never getting on board with judging on a small sample size again. It was clearly a mistske.

Sadly you go to ridiculous lengths to never admit you were wrong. Then try to pretend you told everyone all the same.

wrong on what?

JG did good for us, we went from not winning a game, to having a nice run
he was a part of that success,
we picked the right time to move on
where does the wrong part come in?

I would say that sticking with Jimmy over potentially getting Brady, Josh Allen, Kirk Cousins, and Matthew Stafford were all mistakes. Who knows how realistic it was to get one of those players, but we definitely would have been better off.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
And I was clearly wrong and am never getting on board with judging on a small sample size again. It was clearly a mistske.

Sadly you go to ridiculous lengths to never admit you were wrong. Then try to pretend you told everyone all the same.

wrong on what?

JG did good for us, we went from not winning a game, to having a nice run
he was a part of that success,
we picked the right time to move on
where does the wrong part come in?

I would say that sticking with Jimmy over potentially getting Brady, Josh Allen, Kirk Cousins, and Matthew Stafford were all mistakes. Who knows how realistic it was to get one of those players, but we definitely would have been better off.

I agree, I think my meaning was, he didn't merit more than the 5 year deal, now if you want to say at any point he merited less, cuz we are getting the GOAT or something, no doubt.

Understand what happened tho, we decided we needed a change after he missed 2 of 3 seasons (2018 and 2020). We had a loaded squad (and ppl fought me on this, told me we weren't loaded). We took Trey flippin Lance. On an investment of all those ones. So consider the moves you propose, vs the move we actually made. Consider who is the top echelon of QBs KS has found, in like 7 years. Its BP and JG. Best he can do folks, to this point. I think part of the reason you were so into Trey, is you wanted off of JG so bad, but you weren't really looking at who Trey was.