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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Is he counting his own posts as other people?
and the spin continues.. this thread, like I keep saying not a drop of football Mr Att, 100% pure spin
do you have anything football related? I say JG is at the end here, his body done quit on him.. you think he's still young and will be back next season?
in his prime, right?
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's washed up because he doesn't have Kyle making him look better than he is. Simple.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Is he counting his own posts as other people?
and the spin continues.. this thread, like I keep saying not a drop of football Mr Att, 100% pure spin
do you have anything football related? I say JG is at the end here, his body done quit on him.. you think he's still young and will be back next season?
in his prime, right?
What evidence do you have that he his body quit?
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
He's washed up because he doesn't have Kyle making him look better than he is. Simple.
Point blank period
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Is he counting his own posts as other people?
and the spin continues.. this thread, like I keep saying not a drop of football Mr Att, 100% pure spin
do you have anything football related? I say JG is at the end here, his body done quit on him.. you think he's still young and will be back next season?
in his prime, right?
What evidence do you have that he his body quit?
exhibit A would be him undergoing an ACL in 2018, had to play 2019 with the brace
I think anytime an athlete undergoes the knife that's a big deal, we as fans sometimes view it as madden (not you here, but general fans) and oh he's back in this timetable, but it's more than that for these guys, acl's you generally don't come back 100%, at least right away.
He played well in 2019 with the bulky brace, 2020 was a lot of soft tissue stuff iirc.
2021 he stacked more injuries late in the year, significant enough they derailed that offseason, which was much discussed, same in 2022, injury sufficient enough that it derailed a lot of his offseason, couldn't even rep it up with his new team, and it was a bit of an offseason red flag for LV, to the extent I think they tweaked that contract, cuz of medical iirc.
you have to add all that up, it's all part of the odometer. Then this season concussed I saw on probably multiple occasions, one he missed a start, the other he went to the tent for concussion, and was back in the game. Back injury so severe, he's rushed to the hospital.
Observe how he plays the game, he holds the football and absorbs contact even if the play is not on. That's not what you want your QB doing under much of any circumstance. Note here, this is a JG criticism, and has been for a long time, get rid of the football. Also vs KC, take the boundary. KC players openly said, it was on JG he got injured, cuz he was trying to cut upfield and get more yards for the team. Not wise, but you understand why he's doing it, he's trying to make a play for us.. I always felt from day 1, once we sign him to the record deal, coach up throwing away, sliding, getting out of bounds, all of it. Not gonna blame anyone for anything, this is football and stuff happens, but be smart out there. Rice was great at getting down, avoiding getting blown up for the most part. It's how you play deep into a career, avoid contact.
JG took a lot of contact from how he played and we all know he doesn't respond well to contact. Even his last game with JG, if you saw it, he was literally flying on a 3rd down rush (went airborne), into the D for yardage, on a play that led to a punt.. it's maybe team first, in the immediate, but that's not what you want your QB doing, unless you are an athlete, like a Josh Allen and excel at it, that ain't JG.. or know your situation, if it's like Elway in the SB, okay go make that helicopter style run into the D, some random week 7 just cool it..
he's been with a lot of dif coaches, and never instilled or shown much self preservation, so maybe it's just who he is.. but he had a lot longer career on the table if he wanted it, if he slides, gets out of bounds, throws away strategically over his many seasons..
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Is he counting his own posts as other people?
and the spin continues.. this thread, like I keep saying not a drop of football Mr Att, 100% pure spin
do you have anything football related? I say JG is at the end here, his body done quit on him.. you think he's still young and will be back next season?
in his prime, right?
What evidence do you have that he his body quit?
exhibit A would be him undergoing an ACL in 2018, had to play 2019 with the brace
I think anytime an athlete undergoes the knife that's a big deal, we as fans sometimes view it as madden (not you here, but general fans) and oh he's back in this timetable, but it's more than that for these guys, acl's you generally don't come back 100%, at least right away.
He played well in 2019 with the bulky brace, 2020 was a lot of soft tissue stuff iirc.
2021 he stacked more injuries late in the year, significant enough they derailed that offseason, which was much discussed, same in 2022, injury sufficient enough that it derailed a lot of his offseason, couldn't even rep it up with his new team, and it was a bit of an offseason red flag for LV, to the extent I think they tweaked that contract, cuz of medical iirc.
you have to add all that up, it's all part of the odometer. Then this season concussed I saw on probably multiple occasions, one he missed a start, the other he went to the tent for concussion, and was back in the game. Back injury so severe, he's rushed to the hospital.
Observe how he plays the game, he holds the football and absorbs contact even if the play is not on. That's not what you want your QB doing under much of any circumstance. Note here, this is a JG criticism, and has been for a long time, get rid of the football. Also vs KC, take the boundary. KC players openly said, it was on JG he got injured, cuz he was trying to cut upfield and get more yards for the team. Not wise, but you understand why he's doing it, he's trying to make a play for us.. I always felt from day 1, once we sign him to the record deal, coach up throwing away, sliding, getting out of bounds, all of it. Not gonna blame anyone for anything, this is football and stuff happens, but be smart out there. Rice was great at getting down, avoiding getting blown up for the most part. It's how you play deep into a career, avoid contact.
JG took a lot of contact from how he played and we all know he doesn't respond well to contact. Even his last game with JG, if you saw it, he was literally flying on a 3rd down rush (went airborne), into the D for yardage, on a play that led to a punt.. it's maybe team first, in the immediate, but that's not what you want your QB doing, unless you are an athlete, like a Josh Allen and excel at it, that ain't JG.. or know your situation, if it's like Elway in the SB, okay go make that helicopter style run into the D, some random week 7 just cool it..
he's been with a lot of dif coaches, and never instilled or shown much self preservation, so maybe it's just who he is.. but he had a lot longer career on the table if he wanted it, if he slides, gets out of bounds, throws away strategically over his many seasons..
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
All that typing and you didnt demonstrate anything in terms of how his body is broken down. He played extremely well (in relation to his career), in 2022. So for someone to say his body broke down, the breaking down would have had to have happened between 2022 and this season. And you should be able to point to the exact differences between 2023 and what he was before (i.e less mobility, weaker arm, etc.). And you have not been able to demonstrate any of that, because there isnt any.
So until you can show something, everyone is just going to look at your idea that he is washed up/broken down as excuses for garbage play.
Originally posted by DrEll:
…..or JimmyG was never that good to begin with, and his numbers were inflated by an offensive genius calling plays that suited his limited abilities.
But let's keep riding that injuries made him old, because that's what happens to all quarterbacks that get injured in their early 30s…
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
All that typing and you didnt demonstrate anything in terms of how his body is broken down. He played extremely well (in relation to his career), in 2022. So for someone to say his body broke down, the breaking down would have had to have happened between 2022 and this season. And you should be able to point to the exact differences between 2023 and what he was before (i.e less mobility, weaker arm, etc.). And you have not been able to demonstrate any of that, because there isnt any.
So until you can show something, everyone is just going to look at your idea that he is washed up/broken down as excuses for garbage play.
lol, look at this here, what were you expecting? the hit here in this game caused a 1% reduction in arm strength.. is that really what you thought was coming?
that was a football post, about the complete history, it laid it all out,
WB, he seems to mischaracterize it as me saying, oh he's washed cuz he's 32. That ain't it. I'm talking how you age. We all know of ladies, who are fit, attractive, toned, bikini body, at 50, you name it. Then you have ladies who are on meth, losing some hair, skin all jaundiced, eyes all bloodshot, face all wrinkled, been thru hard times, and it shows. So you can have a woman at 35 and she looks older than a lady at 50. JG's an old 32, if you catch my drift. We don't all age the same. That's factual.
I put the years as follows, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022. No question he looked best in 2017. You keep getting duped on 2022, he didn't do that great, ran out of the endzone, took another safety, missed BA so bad he was hopping mad, I pointed this out, someone told me it wasn't even a miss, it was...
what makes you whiff in your eval of 2022, you think he got better, in reality he got CMC and a leveled up # 11.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Russ got old, do you say he was always not good? I saw Russ he did great, got the better of us quite a few times. Then he got old.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Russ got old, do you say he was always not good? I saw Russ he did great, got the better of us quite a few times. Then he got old.
Its funny that you mention Russell Wilson. Yeah, he looked horrible last year. He got bigger. His mobility was way down. His speed was down. It was logical to conclude he got old.
Then this year happened. He lost 15 pounds in the offseason, and is having a very good season. A season that is on par with a lot of his career averages. There were plenty of reasons why he looked horrible last year. But he looks good this year. And he is 35 years old now, not 32.
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:Broken down and he sat the bench for most of his career 5 seasons not taking any abuse
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
All that typing and you didnt demonstrate anything in terms of how his body is broken down. He played extremely well (in relation to his career), in 2022. So for someone to say his body broke down, the breaking down would have had to have happened between 2022 and this season. And you should be able to point to the exact differences between 2023 and what he was before (i.e less mobility, weaker arm, etc.). And you have not been able to demonstrate any of that, because there isnt any.
So until you can show something, everyone is just going to look at your idea that he is washed up/broken down as excuses for garbage play.
lol, look at this here, what were you expecting? the hit here in this game caused a 1% reduction in arm strength.. is that really what you thought was coming?
that was a football post, about the complete history, it laid it all out,
WB, he seems to mischaracterize it as me saying, oh he's washed cuz he's 32. That ain't it. I'm talking how you age. We all know of ladies, who are fit, attractive, toned, bikini body, at 50, you name it. Then you have ladies who are on meth, losing some hair, skin all jaundiced, eyes all bloodshot, face all wrinkled, been thru hard times, and it shows. So you can have a woman at 35 and she looks older than a lady at 50. JG's an old 32, if you catch my drift. We don't all age the same. That's factual.
I put the years as follows, 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022. No question he looked best in 2017. You keep getting duped on 2022, he didn't do that great, ran out of the endzone, took another safety, missed BA so bad he was hopping mad, I pointed this out, someone told me it wasn't even a miss, it was...
what makes you whiff in your eval of 2022, you think he got better, in reality he got CMC and a leveled up # 11.
So basically your evidence that he is broken down is that he is playing poorly.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Russ got old, do you say he was always not good? I saw Russ he did great, got the better of us quite a few times. Then he got old.
Its funny that you mention Russell Wilson. Yeah, he looked horrible last year. He got bigger. His mobility was way down. His speed was down. It was logical to conclude he got old.
Then this year happened. He lost 15 pounds in the offseason, and is having a very good season. A season that is on par with a lot of his career averages. There were plenty of reasons why he looked horrible last year. But he looks good this year. And he is 35 years old now, not 32.
you keep getting the ages wrong, Russ is 34.
he doesn't look good last year or this imo,
