Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Leading the league in picks despite missing 2.5 games is a special kind of suck

Maybe Brock also sucks and is being propped up by Kyle. The amount of suck Jimmy is displaying has me paranoid. I knew Jimmy wouldn't have the same type of production with LVR, but he is borderline non-functional now.

Naw it was clear as day how much better Brock was immediately when he replaced Jimmy. Brock might be being propped up as well but he's without a doubt better then Jimmy ever was

This is clear. Brock at least thus far has been better than Jimmy.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

I admitted it was a dumb question, but I prefer to say the question itself was far too simplistic. And posted in the thread that neither Jimmy nor Kyle should be solely blamed for the offense not producing.

Although the question itself was not biased, the purpose was to expose just how unbalanced the criticism had become between Kyle and Jimmy, and how taboo it was to talk about Jimmy's struggles.

At one point, a couple days into the poll, Kyle was the leader in votes. It only became lopsided once Jimmy got hurt, which means to tell me the question wasn't pointless because it showed how equally divided the fanbase was at that point.

In reality, if you voted for Jimmy as holding the offense back (more) that doesn't automatically mean he was the main reason for our struggles, or even in the top 100 reasons, it just meant he was holding us back more than Kyle.

There were many posters angry about the question itself, because they thought it was made to criticize Jimmy. Over and over people assumed I was attacking Jimmy, based on their own preconceived biases, because again, the question was not biased.

And again, not one person assumed I was attacking Kyle with the poll question. Not one.

It was pretty clear from the results who was the most unfairly criticized person on the team. (Hint: it wasn't Jimmy)

I credit you for at least fostering a convo, a while down the road, so no offense intended. I may be poorly wording it as a dumb question, but I don't view it as a real question. Even if you answer JG is holding KS back, well who picked JG? It's on KS, no matter how you slice it. Who picked Trey? How did that move help or hold back our team? Did any of these guys get better year over year with KS? All real questions, feel free to answer.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

I admitted it was a dumb question, but I prefer to say the question itself was far too simplistic. And posted in the thread that neither Jimmy nor Kyle should be solely blamed for the offense not producing.

Although the question itself was not biased, the purpose was to expose just how unbalanced the criticism had become between Kyle and Jimmy, and how taboo it was to talk about Jimmy's struggles.

At one point, a couple days into the poll, Kyle was the leader in votes. It only became lopsided once Jimmy got hurt, which means to tell me the question wasn't pointless because it showed how equally divided the fanbase was at that point.

In reality, if you voted for Jimmy as holding the offense back (more) that doesn't automatically mean he was the main reason for our struggles, or even in the top 100 reasons, it just meant he was holding us back more than Kyle.

There were many posters angry about the question itself, because they thought it was made to criticize Jimmy. Over and over people assumed I was attacking Jimmy, based on their own preconceived biases, because again, the question was not biased.

And again, not one person assumed I was attacking Kyle with the poll question. Not one.

It was pretty clear from the results who was the most unfairly criticized person on the team. (Hint: it wasn't Jimmy)

I mean you had people claiming that Kyle decides where the QB goes with the ball and not the QB—that the QB passes up open passes because the head coach tells him not to throw it. The level of ridiculous is unprecedented in the annals of 49ers fan forums.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Harhar.

But you admit Jimmy was not as good as you once thought, seeing as how that is implicit in your response. That's progress.

However, you are right to blame KS for the QB situation. He should have spent time studying Mahomes. Had he done so, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion as Andy Reid (and me: that he was a Brett Favre clone, not a Johnny Cocaine clone).

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Harhar.

But you admit Jimmy was not as good as you once thought, seeing as how that is implicit in your response. That's progress.

However, you are right to blame KS for the QB situation. He should have spent time studying Mahomes. Had he done so, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion as Andy Reid (and me: that he was a Brett Favre clone, not a Johnny Cocaine clone).

No I don't, I already put in this thread, 2017 JG was great, 2019 he played well, 2021 he played well
understand I am saying in regards to WBs infamous poll, the same thing I said back in that time,
even if one is to say JG is to blame, where do you think he came from? he didn't trade for himself
logically, it's equivalent, to blaming Lance sucking on Lance, I blame it on whoever thought TL was a good idea (KS all the way)

if you don't like personnel as being able to hack it, blame whoever is your GM, that's my point
and as far as holding us back, JG was the best KS has done to this point, he has a lot more resume than BP, thru sheer volume of years of time, TL did a lot more to hold us back, but again not on him, on the decision we made as an org

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Harhar.

But you admit Jimmy was not as good as you once thought, seeing as how that is implicit in your response. That's progress.

However, you are right to blame KS for the QB situation. He should have spent time studying Mahomes. Had he done so, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion as Andy Reid (and me: that he was a Brett Favre clone, not a Johnny Cocaine clone).

No I don't, I already put in this thread, 2017 JG was great, 2019 he played well, 2021 he played well
understand I am saying in regards to WBs infamous poll, the same thing I said back in that time,
even if one is to say JG is to blame, where do you think he came from? he didn't trade for himself
logically, it's equivalent, to blaming Lance sucking on Lance, I blame it on whoever thought TL was a good idea (KS all the way)

if you don't like personnel as being able to hack it, blame whoever is your GM, that's my point
and as far as holding us back, JG was the best KS has done to this point, he has a lot more resume than BP, thru sheer volume of years of time, TL did a lot more to hold us back, but again not on him, on the decision we made as an org

TL was drafted as a developmental project. It is expected he should suck without the playing time to develop.

But if you don't admit that Jimmy was not that good, and that he was propped up by KS, then clearly I cannot take much of what you say seriously, since the facts are bearing out this season that KS did indeed elevate Jimmy.

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

GRAPHIC: Jimmy Garoppolo was hit by a car leaving the stadium tonight.

Prayers 🙏 pic.twitter.com/WZH2hfWYvR

— GhettoGronk (@TheGhettoGronk) October 31, 2023

WTF really? Good lord can this guy catch a freaking break.

LOL oh I see.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Harhar.

But you admit Jimmy was not as good as you once thought, seeing as how that is implicit in your response. That's progress.

However, you are right to blame KS for the QB situation. He should have spent time studying Mahomes. Had he done so, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion as Andy Reid (and me: that he was a Brett Favre clone, not a Johnny Cocaine clone).

No I don't, I already put in this thread, 2017 JG was great, 2019 he played well, 2021 he played well
understand I am saying in regards to WBs infamous poll, the same thing I said back in that time,
even if one is to say JG is to blame, where do you think he came from? he didn't trade for himself
logically, it's equivalent, to blaming Lance sucking on Lance, I blame it on whoever thought TL was a good idea (KS all the way)

if you don't like personnel as being able to hack it, blame whoever is your GM, that's my point
and as far as holding us back, JG was the best KS has done to this point, he has a lot more resume than BP, thru sheer volume of years of time, TL did a lot more to hold us back, but again not on him, on the decision we made as an org

TL was drafted as a developmental project. It is expected he should suck without the playing time to develop.

But if you don't admit that Jimmy was not that good, and that he was propped up by KS, then clearly I cannot take much of what you say seriously, since the facts are bearing out this season that KS did indeed elevate Jimmy.

And now the TL defense, this is getting good

sure KS knew he was a year 1 project, but anticipated he would be a guy year 2, he referenced the Mahomes / Smith model, how did that go? Focus on his play what we have to go off of, year 2 and preseason year 3. He regressed. So yeah, if the question is who is to blame, whoever picked that guy, at an insane cost, is to take a very good amount of blame. You can already see the investment, vs the ROI. It's a done deal.

It's the same guy who picked JG, what always baffled me is you guys would pull your hair out with JG, and not say one word about the guy who picked him. We can all love KS the playcaller, even KS the WR whisperer, can we separate it out and all agree, his record as a QB picker, is highly questionable, at best. He addressed it and brought in a QB coach, and had him help scout late round guys, supposedly, we found a guy..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

I admitted it was a dumb question, but I prefer to say the question itself was far too simplistic. And posted in the thread that neither Jimmy nor Kyle should be solely blamed for the offense not producing.

Although the question itself was not biased, the purpose was to expose just how unbalanced the criticism had become between Kyle and Jimmy, and how taboo it was to talk about Jimmy's struggles.

At one point, a couple days into the poll, Kyle was the leader in votes. It only became lopsided once Jimmy got hurt, which means to tell me the question wasn't pointless because it showed how equally divided the fanbase was at that point.

In reality, if you voted for Jimmy as holding the offense back (more) that doesn't automatically mean he was the main reason for our struggles, or even in the top 100 reasons, it just meant he was holding us back more than Kyle.

There were many posters angry about the question itself, because they thought it was made to criticize Jimmy. Over and over people assumed I was attacking Jimmy, based on their own preconceived biases, because again, the question was not biased.

And again, not one person assumed I was attacking Kyle with the poll question. Not one.

It was pretty clear from the results who was the most unfairly criticized person on the team. (Hint: it wasn't Jimmy)

I credit you for at least fostering a convo, a while down the road, so no offense intended. I may be poorly wording it as a dumb question, but I don't view it as a real question. Even if you answer JG is holding KS back, well who picked JG? It's on KS, no matter how you slice it. Who picked Trey? How did that move help or hold back our team? Did any of these guys get better year over year with KS? All real questions, feel free to answer.

Yeah again, I didn't criticize posters who picked Kyle over Jimmy. That was not the purpose for me making the poll.

If that's your interpretation of the question then it's fine. But I'd argue your logic probably isn't consistent.

If it was, then you should automatically give any head coach more credit/blame for any success/failure a team has.

For instance, Mike McCarthy should be given more credit than Aaron Rodgers for winning the Super Bowl.

Idk one person that knows football that would agree with that sentiment. But that's what you'd have to believe, no?

Again, I didn't mind when people called the poll a stupid question. Because in some ways it was. But sometimes you can get good results from a stupid question, and sometimes you can get bad results from a great question. I personally think we got the former, but I understand there were a lot of people who didn't understand what I was doing. I've never tried to pile on Jimmy, I just wanted to show how unbalanced things were and I believe I did that.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Yeah again, I didn't criticize posters who picked Kyle over Jimmy. That was not the purpose for me making the poll.

If that's your interpretation of the question then it's fine. But I'd argue your logic probably isn't consistent.

If it was, then you should automatically give any head coach more credit/blame for any success/failure a team has.

For instance, Mike McCarthy should be given more credit than Aaron Rodgers for winning the Super Bowl.

Idk one person that knows football that would agree with that sentiment. But that's what you'd have to believe, no?

Again, I didn't mind when people called the poll a stupid question. Because in some ways it was. But sometimes you can get good results from a stupid question, and sometimes you can get bad results from a great question. I personally think we got the former, but I understand there were a lot of people who didn't understand what I was doing. I've never tried to pile on Jimmy, I just wanted to show how unbalanced things were and I believe I did that.

I'll give an example of a real poll question, that is similar
it would be is Russ Wilson holding Sean P back?

the reason that's a real question, is Sean P didn't pick Russ. So Sean bears no responsibility for Russ being there.

If Sean P went out and spent a bunch of ones on Russ, than it would be a lil silly to ask if Russ is holding Sean back, Sean did that one to himself

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Got all upset when Waterbear asked the question.

It was a dumb question, ok JG is holding back KS, well who picked JG?
he didn't trade for himself, nor did he sign himself to a record deal
it's like a math equation, KS held back, by KS is what it reduces to, KS picked him

Goal posts successfully relocated.

no, I'll use an analogy, the post I am replying to sucks, but I don't blame the post for that.

Harhar.

But you admit Jimmy was not as good as you once thought, seeing as how that is implicit in your response. That's progress.

However, you are right to blame KS for the QB situation. He should have spent time studying Mahomes. Had he done so, maybe he would have come to the same conclusion as Andy Reid (and me: that he was a Brett Favre clone, not a Johnny Cocaine clone).

No I don't, I already put in this thread, 2017 JG was great, 2019 he played well, 2021 he played well
understand I am saying in regards to WBs infamous poll, the same thing I said back in that time,
even if one is to say JG is to blame, where do you think he came from? he didn't trade for himself
logically, it's equivalent, to blaming Lance sucking on Lance, I blame it on whoever thought TL was a good idea (KS all the way)

if you don't like personnel as being able to hack it, blame whoever is your GM, that's my point
and as far as holding us back, JG was the best KS has done to this point, he has a lot more resume than BP, thru sheer volume of years of time, TL did a lot more to hold us back, but again not on him, on the decision we made as an org

TL was drafted as a developmental project. It is expected he should suck without the playing time to develop.

But if you don't admit that Jimmy was not that good, and that he was propped up by KS, then clearly I cannot take much of what you say seriously, since the facts are bearing out this season that KS did indeed elevate Jimmy.

And now the TL defense, this is getting good

sure KS knew he was a year 1 project, but anticipated he would be a guy year 2, he referenced the Mahomes / Smith model, how did that go? Focus on his play what we have to go off of, year 2 and preseason year 3. He regressed. So yeah, if the question is who is to blame, whoever picked that guy, at an insane cost, is to take a very good amount of blame. You can already see the investment, vs the ROI. It's a done deal.

It's the same guy who picked JG, what always baffled me is you guys would pull your hair out with JG, and not say one word about the guy who picked him. We can all love KS the playcaller, even KS the WR whisperer, can we separate it out and all agree, his record as a QB picker, is highly questionable, at best. He addressed it and brought in a QB coach, and had him help scout late round guys, supposedly, we found a guy..

You didn't start blaming Kyle until we were proven right about Jimmy.