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Originally posted by JoseCortez:
So trey will have 2 years of experience next year. Got it.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The ebb and flow of JimmyG. Looks like it doesn't just end with the fans. When he's playing at a high level everyone wants him. And why not ? He's got good character. He's a team player. Says all the right things. His players love him.
the problem is when he gets to the low end of the spectrum. He'll look like a pro bowler for 5 straight games, and then go into s**t mode looking like Rex Grossman for a patch of games where you absolutely want to cut him. And unfortunately, those lows come at the most inopportune times, like the Super Bowl or NFCC game.
I think the only way the team brings him back is if he wins the SB. Can't keep having more of the same, and this time Shanalynch has given him the dream time on offense to work with. No excuses to botch this…
No s**t 🤣
When the competition is the toughest in the NFL: the playoffs, NFCC, SB, that's when you separate the probowlers and the nonprobowlers and see who can stand out and who will choke vs the best under the highest pressure.
This is Jimmy's last chance to prove himself as a 9er.
Sure they would love to have him back again just like this season, but as a Backup that is on a backup deal just like this season 😉 otherwise he isn't worth the money or the wasted salary cap space and that's just being REAL.
So what you people are saying is, when he wins you guys love him. When he loses you guys wanna cut him. I feel sorry for Trey Lance, I'd demand a trade asap.
You sound SO RIDICULOUSLY CHILDISH.
Trey ain't going no where, he's on his rookie contract and he would be happier than anything to be healthy right now and play QB1 for this SB caliber team and earn more money in the future, just like Jimmy, proving he's good enough to be a franchise probowl QB.
Jimmy is a FA when the season concludes 2 months or so.
Let it go, EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY COMES TO AN END IN LIFE, Jimmy will either be the scapegoat again or do well and be offer a big enough contract to be QB1 else where as 9 other NFL teams or so would need a QB1 upgrade like Jimmy can offer them, that's just being REAL and that's how the NFL works, it's a BUSINESS.
Whats the matter sarcasm ended yesterday. You guys said it, we love the QB when he wins, hate'em when he loses. Trey Lance better go 16-0 every season or the fans are gonna demand to cut him. Lol
Of course Lance isn't going anywhere, Lynch would be crucified by Jed York and the fans if he were to get rid of him.
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
You sure, Not-For-Long, I mean they're already reporting the two sides are open to returning!!!!
You mad.
Why would they not report such? You didn't know this already? You really needed a report to tell you this?
Lol Kolohe expected @ this point in the season for Shanahan to say "Nah this is the end of the road I'm afraid" and Jimmy to say "so true cause I'm outta here".....
Suggesting your current team has you in the bag aint exactly the way to help your agents maximize your value.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Jimmy has 3 years of starting experience.
If you're going to go that route, then trey will have 2 years of experience in the same system next year.we all know that's not the case.
And each of Jimmy's years has been a success. So don't pull that crap.
3 years of of "starting experience" and 9 years in the NFL are things I can call "years of experience",....right?
Or is that basically a 2nd year rook to you?
So trey will have 2 years of experience next year. Got it.
You guys are always talking about reps. ALWAYS. Reps will make trey better, trey needs reps
Now it's 9 years experience for Jimmy even though hes really started only 56 games in his career.
56 games is a lot.
It's 3 1/2 years, and we are counting the games he filled in for brady, the 5 games he started in 2017 when he barely knew the playbook. So really, less than 3 seasons.
Daniel Jones has 49 for comparison.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Jimmy and Shanahan didn't report anything it was Ian Rappaport who did. And by this time of the season, it was being reported that the 9ers were moving on from Jimmy.
LETS GO 9ERS!!!!!! LETS GO JIMMY G!!!!!!
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The ebb and flow of JimmyG. Looks like it doesn't just end with the fans. When he's playing at a high level everyone wants him. And why not ? He's got good character. He's a team player. Says all the right things. His players love him.
the problem is when he gets to the low end of the spectrum. He'll look like a pro bowler for 5 straight games, and then go into s**t mode looking like Rex Grossman for a patch of games where you absolutely want to cut him. And unfortunately, those lows come at the most inopportune times, like the Super Bowl or NFCC game.
I think the only way the team brings him back is if he wins the SB. Can't keep having more of the same, and this time Shanalynch has given him the dream time on offense to work with. No excuses to botch this…
No s**t 🤣
When the competition is the toughest in the NFL: the playoffs, NFCC, SB, that's when you separate the probowlers and the nonprobowlers and see who can stand out and who will choke vs the best under the highest pressure.
This is Jimmy's last chance to prove himself as a 9er.
Sure they would love to have him back again just like this season, but as a Backup that is on a backup deal just like this season 😉 otherwise he isn't worth the money or the wasted salary cap space and that's just being REAL.
So what you people are saying is, when he wins you guys love him. When he loses you guys wanna cut him. I feel sorry for Trey Lance, I'd demand a trade asap.
You sound SO RIDICULOUSLY CHILDISH.
Trey ain't going no where, he's on his rookie contract and he would be happier than anything to be healthy right now and play QB1 for this SB caliber team and earn more money in the future, just like Jimmy, proving he's good enough to be a franchise probowl QB.
Jimmy is a FA when the season concludes 2 months or so.
Let it go, EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY COMES TO AN END IN LIFE, Jimmy will either be the scapegoat again or do well and be offer a big enough contract to be QB1 else where as 9 other NFL teams or so would need a QB1 upgrade like Jimmy can offer them, that's just being REAL and that's how the NFL works, it's a BUSINESS.
Whats the matter sarcasm ended yesterday. You guys said it, we love the QB when he wins, hate'em when he loses. Trey Lance better go 16-0 every season or the fans are gonna demand to cut him. Lol
Of course Lance isn't going anywhere, Lynch would be crucified by Jed York and the fans if he were to get rid of him.
Trey Lance is Technically still a Rookie so he will have plenty of time to get better if he needs to, patience time and money which has already ran out on Jimmy as a 9er and why he came back as a backup soon to be FA 🤣
Regardless, for all the talent and high ceiling Trey has and KS as HC + a very good 9er roster next season it shouldn't be hard for him to hit and get pass 65-72/100 that is Jimmy next season as long as he stays healthy and learn to protect himself better if he does scramble and take off running for yds, hopefully he has learned.
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Jimmy has 3 years of starting experience.
If you're going to go that route, then trey will have 2 years of experience in the same system next year.we all know that's not the case.
And each of Jimmy's years has been a success. So don't pull that crap.
3 years of of "starting experience" and 9 years in the NFL are things I can call "years of experience",....right?
Or is that basically a 2nd year rook to you?
So trey will have 2 years of experience next year. Got it.
You guys are always talking about reps. ALWAYS. Reps will make trey better, trey needs reps
Now it's 9 years experience for Jimmy even though hes really started only 56 games in his career.
56 games is a lot.
It's 3 1/2 years, and we are counting the games he filled in for brady, the 5 games he started in 2017 when he barely knew the playbook. So really, less than 3 seasons.
Daniel Jones has 49 for comparison.
Let me rephrase. It's not a lot in the grand scheme of a longtime NFL starter, but it is a lot in the context of a QB's development.
Time on the bench is also not useless. QBs can and do improve while sitting, but there are things that you're only going to learn from experience.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by ChillninDaBay:
Originally posted by DrEll:
The ebb and flow of JimmyG. Looks like it doesn't just end with the fans. When he's playing at a high level everyone wants him. And why not ? He's got good character. He's a team player. Says all the right things. His players love him.
the problem is when he gets to the low end of the spectrum. He'll look like a pro bowler for 5 straight games, and then go into s**t mode looking like Rex Grossman for a patch of games where you absolutely want to cut him. And unfortunately, those lows come at the most inopportune times, like the Super Bowl or NFCC game.
I think the only way the team brings him back is if he wins the SB. Can't keep having more of the same, and this time Shanalynch has given him the dream time on offense to work with. No excuses to botch this…
No s**t 🤣
When the competition is the toughest in the NFL: the playoffs, NFCC, SB, that's when you separate the probowlers and the nonprobowlers and see who can stand out and who will choke vs the best under the highest pressure.
This is Jimmy's last chance to prove himself as a 9er.
Sure they would love to have him back again just like this season, but as a Backup that is on a backup deal just like this season 😉 otherwise he isn't worth the money or the wasted salary cap space and that's just being REAL.
So what you people are saying is, when he wins you guys love him. When he loses you guys wanna cut him. I feel sorry for Trey Lance, I'd demand a trade asap.
You sound SO RIDICULOUSLY CHILDISH.
Trey ain't going no where, he's on his rookie contract and he would be happier than anything to be healthy right now and play QB1 for this SB caliber team and earn more money in the future, just like Jimmy, proving he's good enough to be a franchise probowl QB.
Jimmy is a FA when the season concludes 2 months or so.
Let it go, EVERYTHING EVENTUALLY COMES TO AN END IN LIFE, Jimmy will either be the scapegoat again or do well and be offer a big enough contract to be QB1 else where as 9 other NFL teams or so would need a QB1 upgrade like Jimmy can offer them, that's just being REAL and that's how the NFL works, it's a BUSINESS.
Whats the matter sarcasm ended yesterday. You guys said it, we love the QB when he wins, hate'em when he loses. Trey Lance better go 16-0 every season or the fans are gonna demand to cut him. Lol
Of course Lance isn't going anywhere, Lynch would be crucified by Jed York and the fans if he were to get rid of him.
Trey Lance is Technically still a Rookie so he will have plenty of time to get better if he needs to, patience time and money which has already ran out on Jimmy as a 9er and why he came back as a backup soon to be FA 🤣
Regardless, for all the talent and high ceiling Trey has and KS as HC + a very good 9er roster next season it shouldn't be hard for him to hit and get pass 65-72/100 that is Jimmy next season as long as he stays healthy and learn to protect himself better if he does scramble and take off running for yds, hopefully he has learned.
You sure its not gonna be hard for him to pass 65-72/100
dude been in the league two seasons and hasn't done s**t.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
I don't disagree with that. My main beef was the exaggerated statement that jimmy is a 9 year vet, when there's much more to the story.
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Posting those stats is an insinuation that Jimmy is better even though we all know he isn't . Otherwise, why even post the stats. They're meaningless.
Here's a good JG stat. He hasn't thrown an INT in 4 weeks. All wins. That's meaningful. That's the longest stretch of his career. Let's hope he keeps it going.
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Posting those stats is an insinuation that Jimmy is better even though we all know he isn't . Otherwise, why even post the stats. They're meaningless.
Here's a good JG stat. He hasn't thrown an INT in 4 weeks. All wins. That's meaningful. That's the longest stretch of his career. Let's hope he keeps it going.
This post is wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to even begin. I will start with this caveat. I couldn't find Goatie's original post to confirm the origins of this thread but I am assuming that it was the one where he showed a stat that indicated that Joe, Steve, and Jimmy have all had similar won/loss records through the first X number of games in their careers, which seems like a pretty straight forward assertion. Here are the number of games that were played at the start of their careers, here's how many each player has won and lost. I don't see how there is any "insinuation" to be made from that at all. It is just a simple recitation of facts. That you have chosen to interpret it as some kind of claim that means Jimmy is somehow better than Joe or Steve is completely on you and just a reflection of the whole Jimmy sucks bias that is sort of the bedrock of this thread.
Why do I say that? Because one other poster recently relayed the observation that he had made an effort to block all of the people who had this constant burr under their saddle about what a drag Jimmy has been the organization's Championship aspirations and found that when he logged in almost 75% of the posts weren't visible. Now this is his estimation not mine so there may be an element in hyperbole in that but the salient point remains the same. It isn't the people who have generally been supportive of Jimmy's tenure with the team that are driving the conversation in here it is a handful of people who, for whatever reason, seem dead set against giving him ANY credit, at all, for everything he has done for the franchise since he's been here.
The second fallacy in your post is that the won/loss records comparison is somehow "meaningless" because the games were played in different eras and the game has changed so much as to make the comparison invalid. And why is that? How they achieved those wins may have been accomplished under different styles of play, that doesn't make the comparison of win/loss records any less valid. Joe and Steve won their games according to the rules and strategies that were relevant at the time, which means there were a lot of run heavy offenses and QB"s and receivers could get the crap knocked out of them whenever the opportunity presented itself. Jimmy has won a similar number of games playing under the rules of his era, which means "taunting" penalties, a huge uptick in pass interference calls, and 15 yard roughing penalties if you don't bring the QB down in a very specific manner and lay a pillow under his head before he hits the ground. Joe essentially had his back broken by a hit during the Giants game and I don't recall that it even drew a flag.
One of the many narratives in here has been, "well, if only we had Joe or Steve playing the team would be much better". Maybe so, I think their numbers would have both benefited from playing under the rules that are now prevalent in the league which is why I would agree that the fact that Jimmy has one of the highest totals for yards thrown in a season is a little misleading because that really is a reflection of how the game has changed. Joe and Steve probably would have put up huge numbers in this era. I also don't think you can realistically argue that Jimmy is better than either of those guys, though he does have a skill set that makes him a pretty decent player in his own right. But again, a simple recitation of the facts shows that Jimmy has been as effective a QB in his era during the first X number of games in his career as Joe and Steve were in theirs.
There is also the ongoing narrative that Jimmy is just being carried by the defense, the skill of his position players, and Kyle's offensive schemes. Seems to me that Joe and Steve had the benefit of some pretty good defenses and skill players in their day, and even had a pretty good offensive coach as I recall, but I don't see many people in here making the claim that they were just being carried. Then there is the, he can't win the "big one" argument. In this area of course, Joe was the King, Simply unbeatable when it mattered the most which is why he is the greatest QB in 49er's history. However, as I recall, Steve lost three straight NFC Championship games before he finally got gifted a win against the Packers (sorry folks, Rice fumbled that ball) and was able to go on and decimate the Chargers. And even though he put up decent numbers in some of those games he also had several ill timed interceptions as well.
The bottom line is that certain people in here are still just butt hurt about the fact that Jimmy missed that throw to Sanders and that he couldn't get us over the hump against the Rams, a team he hasn't lost to in the regular season, when he was playing with injuries to both the thumb and shoulder of his throwing arm, the latter of which ending up requiring surgery, and they are determined to not let any of us forget it. Jimmy has his shortcomings but, as evidenced by his play of the last few weeks, he is certainly capable of playing at a pretty effective and efficient level. He will never be Joe or Steve but, if he can keep going the way he has, he can be a pretty darn good Jimmy. Go Niners!
Originally posted by NotAFinga42:Can I help with the title?
"The Unfair Hatred of Jimmy Garoppolo: Why This Poor, Amazingly Handsome Multi-Millionaire Never Got a Fair Shake. "
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Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Posting those stats is an insinuation that Jimmy is better even though we all know he isn't . Otherwise, why even post the stats. They're meaningless.
Here's a good JG stat. He hasn't thrown an INT in 4 weeks. All wins. That's meaningful. That's the longest stretch of his career. Let's hope he keeps it going.
This post is wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to even begin. I will start with this caveat. I couldn't find Goatie's original post to confirm the origins of this thread but I am assuming that it was the one where he showed a stat that indicated that Joe, Steve, and Jimmy have all had similar won/loss records through the first X number of games in their careers, which seems like a pretty straight forward assertion. Here are the number of games that were played at the start of their careers, here's how many each player has won and lost. I don't see how there is any "insinuation" to be made from that at all. It is just a simple recitation of facts. That you have chosen to interpret it as some kind of claim that means Jimmy is somehow better than Joe or Steve is completely on you and just a reflection of the whole Jimmy sucks bias that is sort of the bedrock of this thread.
Why do I say that? Because one other poster recently relayed the observation that he had made an effort to block all of the people who had this constant burr under their saddle about what a drag Jimmy has been the organization's Championship aspirations and found that when he logged in almost 75% of the posts weren't visible. Now this is his estimation not mine so there may be an element in hyperbole in that but the salient point remains the same. It isn't the people who have generally been supportive of Jimmy's tenure with the team that are driving the conversation in here it is a handful of people who, for whatever reason, seem dead set against giving him ANY credit, at all, for everything he has done for the franchise since he's been here.
The second fallacy in your post is that the won/loss records comparison is somehow "meaningless" because the games were played in different eras and the game has changed so much as to make the comparison invalid. And why is that? How they achieved those wins may have been accomplished under different styles of play, that doesn't make the comparison of win/loss records any less valid. Joe and Steve won their games according to the rules and strategies that were relevant at the time, which means there were a lot of run heavy offenses and QB"s and receivers could get the crap knocked out of them whenever the opportunity presented itself. Jimmy has won a similar number of games playing under the rules of his era, which means "taunting" penalties, a huge uptick in pass interference calls, and 15 yard roughing penalties if you don't bring the QB down in a very specific manner and lay a pillow under his head before he hits the ground. Joe essentially had his back broken by a hit during the Giants game and I don't recall that it even drew a flag.
One of the many narratives in here has been, "well, if only we had Joe or Steve playing the team would be much better". Maybe so, I think their numbers would have both benefited from playing under the rules that are now prevalent in the league which is why I would agree that the fact that Jimmy has one of the highest totals for yards thrown in a season is a little misleading because that really is a reflection of how the game has changed. Joe and Steve probably would have put up huge numbers in this era. I also don't think you can realistically argue that Jimmy is better than either of those guys, though he does have a skill set that makes him a pretty decent player in his own right. But again, a simple recitation of the facts shows that Jimmy has been as effective a QB in his era during the first X number of games in his career as Joe and Steve were in theirs.
There is also the ongoing narrative that Jimmy is just being carried by the defense, the skill of his position players, and Kyle's offensive schemes. Seems to me that Joe and Steve had the benefit of some pretty good defenses and skill players in their day, and even had a pretty good offensive coach as I recall, but I don't see many people in here making the claim that they were just being carried. Then there is the, he can't win the "big one" argument. In this area of course, Joe was the King, Simply unbeatable when it mattered the most which is why he is the greatest QB in 49er's history. However, as I recall, Steve lost three straight NFC Championship games before he finally got gifted a win against the Packers (sorry folks, Rice fumbled that ball) and was able to go on and decimate the Chargers. And even though he put up decent numbers in some of those games he also had several ill timed interceptions as well.
The bottom line is that certain people in here are still just butt hurt about the fact that Jimmy missed that throw to Sanders and that he couldn't get us over the hump against the Rams, a team he hasn't lost to in the regular season, when he was playing with injuries to both the thumb and shoulder of his throwing arm, the latter of which ending up requiring surgery, and they are determined to not let any of us forget it. Jimmy has his shortcomings but, as evidenced by his play of the last few weeks, he is certainly capable of playing at a pretty effective and efficient level. He will never be Joe or Steve but, if he can keep going the way he has, he can be a pretty darn good Jimmy. Go Niners!
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by 49ers81:
Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Posting those stats is an insinuation that Jimmy is better even though we all know he isn't . Otherwise, why even post the stats. They're meaningless.
Here's a good JG stat. He hasn't thrown an INT in 4 weeks. All wins. That's meaningful. That's the longest stretch of his career. Let's hope he keeps it going.
This post is wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where to even begin. I will start with this caveat. I couldn't find Goatie's original post to confirm the origins of this thread but I am assuming that it was the one where he showed a stat that indicated that Joe, Steve, and Jimmy have all had similar won/loss records through the first X number of games in their careers, which seems like a pretty straight forward assertion. Here are the number of games that were played at the start of their careers, here's how many each player has won and lost. I don't see how there is any "insinuation" to be made from that at all. It is just a simple recitation of facts. That you have chosen to interpret it as some kind of claim that means Jimmy is somehow better than Joe or Steve is completely on you and just a reflection of the whole Jimmy sucks bias that is sort of the bedrock of this thread.
Why do I say that? Because one other poster recently relayed the observation that he had made an effort to block all of the people who had this constant burr under their saddle about what a drag Jimmy has been the organization's Championship aspirations and found that when he logged in almost 75% of the posts weren't visible. Now this is his estimation not mine so there may be an element in hyperbole in that but the salient point remains the same. It isn't the people who have generally been supportive of Jimmy's tenure with the team that are driving the conversation in here it is a handful of people who, for whatever reason, seem dead set against giving him ANY credit, at all, for everything he has done for the franchise since he's been here.
The second fallacy in your post is that the won/loss records comparison is somehow "meaningless" because the games were played in different eras and the game has changed so much as to make the comparison invalid. And why is that? How they achieved those wins may have been accomplished under different styles of play, that doesn't make the comparison of win/loss records any less valid. Joe and Steve won their games according to the rules and strategies that were relevant at the time, which means there were a lot of run heavy offenses and QB"s and receivers could get the crap knocked out of them whenever the opportunity presented itself. Jimmy has won a similar number of games playing under the rules of his era, which means "taunting" penalties, a huge uptick in pass interference calls, and 15 yard roughing penalties if you don't bring the QB down in a very specific manner and lay a pillow under his head before he hits the ground. Joe essentially had his back broken by a hit during the Giants game and I don't recall that it even drew a flag.
One of the many narratives in here has been, "well, if only we had Joe or Steve playing the team would be much better". Maybe so, I think their numbers would have both benefited from playing under the rules that are now prevalent in the league which is why I would agree that the fact that Jimmy has one of the highest totals for yards thrown in a season is a little misleading because that really is a reflection of how the game has changed. Joe and Steve probably would have put up huge numbers in this era. I also don't think you can realistically argue that Jimmy is better than either of those guys, though he does have a skill set that makes him a pretty decent player in his own right. But again, a simple recitation of the facts shows that Jimmy has been as effective a QB in his era during the first X number of games in his career as Joe and Steve were in theirs.
There is also the ongoing narrative that Jimmy is just being carried by the defense, the skill of his position players, and Kyle's offensive schemes. Seems to me that Joe and Steve had the benefit of some pretty good defenses and skill players in their day, and even had a pretty good offensive coach as I recall, but I don't see many people in here making the claim that they were just being carried. Then there is the, he can't win the "big one" argument. In this area of course, Joe was the King, Simply unbeatable when it mattered the most which is why he is the greatest QB in 49er's history. However, as I recall, Steve lost three straight NFC Championship games before he finally got gifted a win against the Packers (sorry folks, Rice fumbled that ball) and was able to go on and decimate the Chargers. And even though he put up decent numbers in some of those games he also had several ill timed interceptions as well.
The bottom line is that certain people in here are still just butt hurt about the fact that Jimmy missed that throw to Sanders and that he couldn't get us over the hump against the Rams, a team he hasn't lost to in the regular season, when he was playing with injuries to both the thumb and shoulder of his throwing arm, the latter of which ending up requiring surgery, and they are determined to not let any of us forget it. Jimmy has his shortcomings but, as evidenced by his play of the last few weeks, he is certainly capable of playing at a pretty effective and efficient level. He will never be Joe or Steve but, if he can keep going the way he has, he can be a pretty darn good Jimmy. Go Niners!
This post is a beacon of truth in a sea of nonsense posts well done
