Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

.@49ers @JimmyG_10 with the proper timing. The precision timing to go from @CMC_22 to @THE2ERA for the TD. #BaldysBreakfowns pic.twitter.com/FQ8ZOPKSW6

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 22, 2022

Great execution and great design. Echos of the WCO there, back when routes and progressions were timed with hitches .

Love it, great execution by everyone! If you look at it, it even seems like Trent and Banks timed to push their defenders out of the way so Jimmy can throw that heat lol. Great progression and throw by Jimmy.

Having the time to get through his reads like that on the 1st play was a thing of beauty.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by picklejuice:

.@49ers @JimmyG_10 with the proper timing. The precision timing to go from @CMC_22 to @THE2ERA for the TD. #BaldysBreakfowns pic.twitter.com/FQ8ZOPKSW6

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) November 22, 2022

Great execution and great design. Echos of the WCO there, back when routes and progressions were timed with hitches .

Love it, great execution by everyone! If you look at it, it even seems like Trent and Banks timed to push their defenders out of the way so Jimmy can throw that heat lol. Great progression and throw by Jimmy.

Having the time to get through his reads like that on the 1st play was a thing of beauty.

very true, everyone did great that play.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jonnydel:
Oh....my.....lord. Did you just say Kyle shouldn't/wouldn't have immense game-planning if we had, say, Josh Allen?

No. That's not what I said. My comments were on the abilities of Josh Allen compared to Jimmy G.

You can literally gameplan around Josh Allen's talents. He's the kind of QB that's developing into a player you can ask to go win you the game. Carry the load.

With Jimmy....you give him everything and you generally ask him to get the ball to his playmakers and not f**k up.

Another failed spin, btw.

These are 2 players that are just in completely different categories. If you have some ideas on Kyle's gameplanning abilities you should share them with NC.

No, you really did say, but it was cut out, "when immense game-planning isn't necessary". There's no, 'spin' to it. You're saying you don't have to set up each play and the big shots perfectly. Nice attempt to walk it back though.

You didn't see the game-plan being pass-heavy? The past number of times we've faced Vance Joseph he's gone to a 6 man-front to contain the wide-zone. In 2019 Kyle abandoned the run early and Jimmy threw for over 700 yards in 2 games. This game, Kittle talked about how they saw ARI come out in a 6 man-front again and that's why they called 21 passes to 7 runs in the first half and then 7 passes to 28 runs in the 2nd half.

The gameplan was, if ARI came out in a 6 man-front, we were going to pass the ball. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.

This was a touchdown to Aiyuk:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by mattster03:
I keep waiting for Jimmy to revert back to his old ways... but he just keeps improving instead. Super excited for this team, it's starting to feel very special.

nah man 30 year old dude's lack of brain plasticity makes this absolutely impossible.

He's still doing it, kid. Still not seeing defenders over the middle:
https://www.nfl.com/videos/ramsey-nearly-high-points-garoppolo-s-gift-wrapped-throw-for-would-be-int

What he's doing differently is going through progressions more and predetermining his throws less.

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by mattster03:
I keep waiting for Jimmy to revert back to his old ways... but he just keeps improving instead. Super excited for this team, it's starting to feel very special.

nah man 30 year old dude's lack of brain plasticity makes this absolutely impossible.

that one was a classic lol

He's still doing it. That isn't what's changed.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/ramsey-nearly-high-points-garoppolo-s-gift-wrapped-throw-for-would-be-int

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, you really did say, but it was cut out, "when immense game-planning isn't necessary". There's no, 'spin' to it. You're saying you don't have to set up each play and the big shots perfectly. Nice attempt to walk it back though.

You didn't see the game-plan being pass-heavy?

Who said the game plan vs. AZ wasn't pass heavy? And how'd we end up on what Kyle would do if he had Josh Allen?

Do I really need to repeat myself a 4th or 5th time regarding what's obvious? With Jimmy less is more. Always has been. About half of his career losses are when he attempts 30 passes or more. His career record with less passing attempts is like 37-11.

You don't need a QB that has to be Superman week in, week out with our roster. I'd said that the moment I saw a trade for CMac was finalized and our domination of AZ doesn't change that. Heck,...I thought we should've dominated SD the same way during that 1st half and said so.

Back to the point though,...If you think Jimmy G is on par with Josh Allen regarding the ability to control or dictate a game then you're welcome to die on that hill.

I'm gonna have to go ahead and disagree.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by mattster03:
I keep waiting for Jimmy to revert back to his old ways... but he just keeps improving instead. Super excited for this team, it's starting to feel very special.

nah man 30 year old dude's lack of brain plasticity makes this absolutely impossible.

that one was a classic lol

He's still doing it. That isn't what's changed.

https://www.nfl.com/videos/ramsey-nearly-high-points-garoppolo-s-gift-wrapped-throw-for-would-be-int

I think the last two games, I didn't see any of these types of throws. The what the fudge are you doing or seeing type of throws lol..

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

Passer rating doesn't tell you who the best or worst QB is. It tells you which TEAM has the most or least efficient passing game. It doesn't tell anything about ball placement, it doesn't tell you about QB vs WR contribution, it doesn't tell you about drops or throws under pressure, it says nothing about sacks, throw-aways, spikes, it effectively counts completion percentage twice (via YPA; it rewards a QB around 40 points for completing a zero yard pass [you get a 39.59 rating for 0/1 0 INT passing, and a 79.17 for 1/1 0 yards passing]). But the most important issue is that it doesn't distinguish between QB contribution to a play and WR contribution to a play, and it doesn't even count sacks, while other metrics like QBR both counts sacks and assigns blame according to who is at fault.

In summary, it doesn't tell you when the QB is bailed out, and, on the other side of the coin, it doesn't tell you when the QB overcomes failures by teammates. And so on. Passer rating is at best a quick look at team passing efficiency.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by picklejuice:


i think i need to fill this out for myself and send one to jimmy

This should be posted in the post season

Apology form

it's going to be so weird seeing jimmy g in a jets uniform next year...

it doesn't even look right

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

Any ranking system that suggests the bolded are better QBs than Garoppolo at this point in the season is not worth the cyber ink it is written with.

Compare that to the current NFL passer ratings:
Tua - 118
Geno - 108
Hurts - 107
Mahomes - 107
Garoppolo - 104
Burrow - 103
Allen - 98

The problem.IMHO, is that you aren't considering the fact that the season has a ways to go, and as the season goes, the outlier games will be out weighed. Passer rating is the unreliable metric. Cases in point: Jimmy's first game as a starter here—the game in which you could IMMEDIATELY see a difference in the offense because of him—his passer rating was a mere 82.4 (but his QBR was 71.3, which is Pro Bowl level of play). Jimmy's passer rating versus the Broncos this year—one of the worst games of his career—was 81.2. You're going to tell me he played about the same in his first game here, in which he was an obvious difference maker, as he did against the Broncos, in which the offense was 1 for 10 on third downs?

He flat out played better in the playoffs last year against Dallas than the Broncos game, yet his passer rating was 67.4. In the 2019 Divisional Playoff, his passer rating was only 74.7. I don't think anyone here would argue he played worse in that game than he did the Broncos game (the one in which we were 1/10 on third downs).

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by Furlow:
2022 QBR leaders:

Tagovailoa - 83.1
Mahomes - 78.4
Allen - 73.3
Geno Smith - 67.3
Hurts - 65
Brissett - 62.4
Jackson - 60.6
Carr - 59.1
Daniel Jones - 58.2
Herbert - 57.7
Mariota - 57.1
Burrow - 55.7
Goff - 55.5
Fields - 54.8
Brady - 54.3
Tannehill - 53.1
Lawrence - 51
Dalton - 50.8
Garoppolo - 50.4
Stafford - 50.4
Murray - 46.7
Cousins - 45.7
Wilson - 45.1
Ryan - 45
Pickett - 43
Rodgers - 41.8
Wentz - 33
Wilson - 32.4
Mac Jones - 30.9
Mills - 29.3
Mayfield - 17.8

QBR is complete trash as the results end up being ALL OVER THE PLACE. How/why anyone still cites this is ridiculous to me. A stat should at least somewhat reflect how good/bad a player is, shouldn't it? Meaning, you shouldn't be able to have a good rating for a particular stat, but actually be playing terrible; or vice versa. But that's exactly what happens with QBR. Every year, every week. It's pathetic and totally unreliable.

We know why certain posters are citing it though.

According to QBR, Tua, Mahomes, Allen, Geno, and Hurts are the top 5 QBs and Wentz, Zach Wilson, Jones, Mills, and Mayfield are the 5 worst this season. That doesn't seem that unreasonable, does it?

You're cherry picking. Shocker. Now look at QB rating. Very few outliers, where with QBR there are several (both on the high end and low end). QBR is unreliable. Period.

It's not cherry picking to look at the top 5 and bottom 5. That's just selecting a subset of the data in a specific order. Cherry picking implies selecting data with the only criteria being it's favorability to the argument.

Why stop at 5? 6? 8? 9? 11? We know why, of course. The bolded is exactly what you did.

"I'm one of Jimmy's biggest fans."

Because you posted the whole list? Why would I need to list out the entire thing when you already did? You're the one claiming there are massive outliers, but at a glance the list looks pretty accurate with a few oddities here and there. It seems like an accurate gauge of the top and bottom.

There are at least 9 QB's ranked ahead of Jimmy that he is clearly playing better than. That would move him from 19th to 10th on that list. That makes QBR unreliable. End of story. Unless you want to claim that these QB's are outplaying him?

Brissett
Carr
Jones
Mariota
Goff
Fields
Tannehill
Lawrence
Dalton

No, what's going on is there aren't enough data points. By the end of the season Jimmy will be in the top half, as he always is (13th in 2021; 12th in 2019 [did not qualify in 2020]).

Originally posted by krizay:
With the exception of his int% he is actually having a very similar statistical season as he did in 2019 with far less talent around him

LOL what? Dude no. The talent on this offense has All Pro level players at every position, and all are still in their prime: McCaffrey: former All Pro. Deebo: former All Pro. Trent Williams: former All Pro. Kittle: former All Pro.

By the end of the season his QBR will be where it always is: in the top third or so of starters.

Oh great. Ribs is back.