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Originally posted by BuZzB05:
Agreed with you. I really care about Garoppolo so much! I don't let Rams study our Garoppolo play game this sunday. We need private our Garoppolo should rest. Next season when rams have nope idea about Garoppolo for playbook.

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Just wait until he has an offensive line that blocks and knows the entire playbook.

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Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
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Wouldn't it be something if Jimmy GQ can play till he's 40+ like Tom? That would be 16 years and possibly 4+ super bowls if you count Tom's career from when he was 26 years old. Now if we can get him some big guys to keep his jersey clean, I'd add another 4 years to that. I think Brady had only 1 year where he was seriously injured and wasn't able to play that year.
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Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That is fair to note. The last two years, the team has operated at an extreme level of thriftiness and we have seen the team get worse since 2012 as spending (ranking) has decreased year after year.
JG's contract will make a dent but the 49ers could sign him and still be the second lowest payroll in the NFL so they will have plenty to spend on other FAs as well.

Yup we will see I hope they spend money but are smart about it.

Philly spent the most cash last cycle and had one playoff game do show for it. Teams like the Pats and panthers spent less then us and we'll have some pretty well.

I understand what you are saying but the Pats and Panthers are both top 10 in payroll and that is a big part of the reason they are good.

Now they are, but they weren't last cycle. Teams like the Bears, Eagles, and Bills were some of the top spending teams from 2013-2016. Spending a buttload of money doesn't always equal wins.

Gotta be smart about it.
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Originally posted by FlayvaMeister:
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
That is fair to note. The last two years, the team has operated at an extreme level of thriftiness and we have seen the team get worse since 2012 as spending (ranking) has decreased year after year.
JG's contract will make a dent but the 49ers could sign him and still be the second lowest payroll in the NFL so they will have plenty to spend on other FAs as well.

Yup we will see I hope they spend money but are smart about it.

Philly spent the most cash last cycle and had one playoff game do show for it. Teams like the Pats and panthers spent less then us and we'll have some pretty well.

I understand what you are saying but the Pats and Panthers are both top 10 in payroll and that is a big part of the reason they are good.

Now they are, but they weren't last cycle. Teams like the Bears, Eagles, and Bills were some of the top spending teams from 2013-2016. Spending a buttload of money doesn't always equal wins.

Gotta be smart about it.

One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.
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If this is true then obviously I was DEAD WRONG. I'm inclined to believe the story.

With that said, its still a little puzzling he has been more vocal about his love for a team and fan base that will soon be his for the next 10 years.

The other thing I would say is why was he "euphoric?" That fact is he was going to a bottom feeder team. Its what was best for the Pats. You have to believe you would much rather be a Niner than a Brown. He may of just been happy because he would get a decent chance to shine with the coaching staff, but for all we know he sees us as a good stepping stone and not the long term answer.

Bottom line, I wont be secure until he inks his deal.

That's fair.

He wanted to be a starter and didn't want to sit behind Brady for a couple more yrs....offensive players want to play for Kyle,especially QBs.

Dude has done everything you want from a starting QB IMO. I don't need him to say he's in love with SF or be thankful for being here.

He's gonna get paid....if for whatever reason he leaves 49er fans will riot lol. there's almost zero chance of him not being a niner. We have the money for him and to build around him, it's the perfect scenario for a QB IMHO.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
If this is true then obviously I was DEAD WRONG. I'm inclined to believe the story.

With that said, its still a little puzzling he has been more vocal about his love for a team and fan base that will soon be his for the next 10 years.

The other thing I would say is why was he "euphoric?" That fact is he was going to a bottom feeder team. Its what was best for the Pats. You have to believe you would much rather be a Niner than a Brown. He may of just been happy because he would get a decent chance to shine with the coaching staff, but for all we know he sees us as a good stepping stone and not the long term answer.

Bottom line, I wont be secure until he inks his deal.

That's fair.

He wanted to be a starter and didn't want to sit behind Brady for a couple more yrs....offensive players want to play for Kyle,especially QBs.

Dude has done everything you want from a starting QB IMO. I don't need him to say he's in love with SF or be thankful for being here.

He's gonna get paid....if for whatever reason he leaves 49er fans will riot lol. there's almost zero chance of him not being a niner. We have the money for him and to build around him, it's the perfect scenario for a QB IMHO.

Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out
Originally posted by BuZzB05:
We will tell Tiki Barber for shut up.

Way better than Cohn though.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out
That's easy, put in performance bonuses in there to pay him a bit more money in the end, but not something that will break the cap. But yeah, if the player doesn't understand that he got his money a long time ago and he sees his salary one half of the market value of all tight ends, that's going to be a problem.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out
That's easy, put in performance bonuses in there to pay him a bit more money in the end, but not something that will break the cap. But yeah, if the player doesn't understand that he got his money a long time ago and he sees his salary one half of the market value of all tight ends, that's going to be a problem.

yup and I think that's why not a lot of teams do it.
Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.



No brainer.
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Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Matt Maiocco just reported Niners and Jimmy g will talk multi year contract extension offseason if not done by March 6 will use franchise tag.



No brainer.

In other news...

Man Walked on the Moon!

I think conspiracy theorists still question man on moon. Not so much for extending jimmy g!
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Giedi:
One trick that I like to keep the Cap spending sensible is frontloading the heck out of all these contracts, so that you maintain cap flexibility. In Jimmy's case, if somehow you can frontload his (lets say 5 year contract) and have two of the 5 years be frontloaded so that the last three are very cap friendly, man that's a win for both sides.

yup agree...one issue with front loading deals is when the player is playing at a high level towards the end of that contract as isn't making elite money anymore (cause they got a good chunk at the beginning).

It happened with Vernon Davis and he tried to hold out
That's easy, put in performance bonuses in there to pay him a bit more money in the end, but not something that will break the cap. But yeah, if the player doesn't understand that he got his money a long time ago and he sees his salary one half of the market value of all tight ends, that's going to be a problem.

yup and I think that's why not a lot of teams do it.
Happened with V. Davis, Kam Chancellor, Michael Bennett, Duane Brown

Front loading isn't quite as popular as well because of the newer CBA with cap rollover. That rollover makes it more "six one way, half a dozen the other" because, ok, you take 30 mil this year and 20 mil next year for 50 mil. But, if you take 20 this year you'll have 10 that'll rollover into next year and so next year you pay him 30 but 10 of it is rollover and you ended up the same.

I know what I just wrote is confusing.... let's talk a hypothetical. Say we have 115 in cap space and we do a 5 year deal and look at the first 3 years - assuming no other players cap affects anything how does the different structures matter and assuming a 50 mil cap space number each year.

2018, 115 starting cap - front load - 35 mil sal, 80 mil left over
2019, 50 + 80 rollover 130 mil - 25 mil sal = 105 mil left over
2020, 50 mil + 105 rollover = 155 - 15 mil sal = 140 left over

Backload
2018, 115 starting - 15 mil = 100 mil left over
2019, 50 + 100 rollover 150 mil - 25 mil sal = 125 mil left over
2020, 50 + 125 rollover - 175 mil - 35 mil sal = 140 mil left over

Again, that's just for demonstration purposes but you see how the structure of the contract doesn't matter as much because if you take from year 1 to save on year 3 you don't roll as much cap over so it's all coming out the same.

The best way to think about it isn't in the year to year structure but the total 5 year structure during required spending times.
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