Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
You get what you pay for.

I agree about the flexibility but I think the 49ers got way too conservative with the spending as holes were dug and left unfilled.

We should see a big change in spending this year, I don't see Paraag and Jed tying Shanalynch's hands.

I think it worked out pretty well for them. They were in a position where they had to overpay significantly for free agents. People were mad about the deals they gave to Malcolm Smith, Juice and others but that is realistically what happens when you're a terrible team. Now suddenly they are an up and coming team with a franchise QB that guys will want to come and play with.

They have $120+ million with the carryover, they'll be able to sign some premier free agents at market rates rather than paying the "awful team" surcharge. I think you could very well see some guys offering a discount to come here. Its a much better free agent class and a much better environment. So whether you attribute that to luck or whatever, they are in a far better position with better overall leverage, they aren't going to be working from a position of desperation.

They would be in a better position with better players at some positions. It may work out for the best, I would love for the team to be lucky in that regard.

can you name these players?

or are you just saying spending money will just somehow improve the team

come on now dude...
Really??

I mean, your logical, so why post this stuff?

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Jed Okays the deal...it's his family's money.

That's not how any of this works. Smh

Uhhh yeah it kinda is. When the deal is signed, Jed has to deposit 100% of the guaranteed portion of his contract in to an account for escrow per NFL rules.

Uhh, Denise makes the deposit, or Jed deposits Denise's dough......Duh

Originally posted by jeepzilla:

I didn't say jed was cheap etc.. roster is the lowest in the league though.....
you don't know why and neither do I.

and for some to say jed has zero to say or doesn't look or care what the contracts are, and that's someone else's job, blah blah blah...
again, we don't know the situation, but, from what i know about successful companies and organizations, I can guarantee he (and his mom/dad) have say...

Again, I am not relating any of this to the signing of Jimmy G.
I would think (and hope) Jed and the Org. pay Jimmy G a 5 year contract as high as Carr/Stafford because I don't think the franchise tag is good for either sides..

It shows uncertainty on one or both sides..

I have no reason to think the Yorks wouldn't want to capitalize on the success of Jimmy G.. I mean, it's great for the city, the franchise, the NFL, the Yorks..THE FANS & Jed..

So let's hope for the best!

FYI I never said you were the one calling him cheap

Also I never said he has zero say in such matters, but he did hire a FO and their jobs are to do exactly what we're talking about....I was also saying, I can't think of any examples of Jed stepping in regarding who we should or shouldn't sign. You're right, I'm sure we don't know everything regarding that.

Let's hope something gets done at some point, so some people can complain about something else in here

Several weeks back, before the Chicago game, I posted that the we needed to play Garoppolo to see what we had, draft position be damned. I thought we would win a couple more games with him -- most notably Chicago and Houston -- but it would basically slide us to #3 or #4 overall -- a loss of 1-2 draft spots. The trade off would be that the team could see what we had in Jimmy G and the team could show some life and attract free agents and hopefully help some of the players that were currently on the roster.

Now we're sitting at #8 and Denver is likely to win this week because the Chiefs are playing their scrubs which would move us up to #7. I think the momentum the franchise is having and the effect that will have in free agency and the ability to resign Jimmy G is still worth the slide of another 3-4 spots.

Winning this next game alone represents a drop from #7 to probably #11. This is a QB heavy draft and we've likely already fallen out of the spot where we could trade back for an extra 2nd and 3rd pick or whatever. If Darnold enters the draft, then we could still be in decent position to trade back because he and Rosen will be going #1 and #2 and some idiot team is going to talk themselves into Baker Mayfield. If Darnold stays out, then we're looking at drafting a premium non-QB player -- like a pass rusher, which is still okay. Slide to #11 and instead we're looking at an interior o-lineman or linebacker or some position that doesn't demand the same premium as a QB or pass rusher. Quite honestly, I don't think winning this last game is worth it.

That said, the Rams may have a reason to tank this game themselves. Win this game and they're stuck with the #3, potentially have to play Seattle who's extra motivated to beat you and you have to play the best team in the NFC in the second round. Lose and you will likely end up with the #4 seed where you will likely play the Eagles in the second round. Judging from the past couple weeks, I'm not sure the Eagles are any good right now.

On the other hand, if you get the 3 seed, somehow beat the Vikings in the 2nd round, then you're likely hosting the NFC Championship. Again, the Eagles are not good right now, the Raiders and Giants were competitive against them.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Grant Cohn on 957 saying Jimmy G is non committal since he's been dodging the question if he wants to be here long term.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

You get what you pay for.

I agree about the flexibility but I think the 49ers got way too conservative with the spending as holes were dug and left unfilled.

We should see a big change in spending this year, I don't see Paraag and Jed tying Shanalynch's hands.

I think it worked out pretty well for them. They were in a position where they had to overpay significantly for free agents. People were mad about the deals they gave to Malcolm Smith, Juice and others but that is realistically what happens when you're a terrible team. Now suddenly they are an up and coming team with a franchise QB that guys will want to come and play with.

They have $120+ million with the carryover, they'll be able to sign some premier free agents at market rates rather than paying the "awful team" surcharge. I think you could very well see some guys offering a discount to come here. Its a much better free agent class and a much better environment. So whether you attribute that to luck or whatever, they are in a far better position with better overall leverage, they aren't going to be working from a position of desperation.

They would be in a better position with better players at some positions. It may work out for the best, I would love for the team to be lucky in that regard.

can you name these players?

or are you just saying spending money will just somehow improve the team

I am not going to provide any names. The team could clearly be better at a lot of positions and the team has expert talent evaluators who are capable of identifying these players. Spending money on better players makes a team better. If you can't see that, I am not going to be able to explain it to you.
There were only two teams in the NFL who had more than $35 million in cap space coming into the season, the 49ers at $60M and the Browns at $59M and it showed.
The 49ers picked up a QB worth $25-$30 million per year and got a whole lot better.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

$60 million is a lot of money. That is a $20 million per year player.

For what's its worth they spent over the 89% rule last cycle (every team did besides Oakland I beleive)

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
I wonder what the new controversies will be once signs

Grant's got a pretty active imagination. Rest assured he'll come up with something.

Originally posted by Viperboy:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

Originally posted by jcs:
Jed Okays the deal...it's his family's money.

That's not how any of this works. Smh

Uhhh yeah it kinda is. When the deal is signed, Jed has to deposit 100% of the guaranteed portion of his contract in to an account for escrow per NFL rules.

Uhh, Denise makes the deposit, or Jed deposits Denise's dough......Duh

Ok well yeah, but they still have to have 100% of the guaranteed funds available on signing to deposit. Rich folks don't normally keep their $ in a vault, or in a savings account.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

$60 million is a lot of money. That is a $20 million per year player.

For what's its worth they spent over the 89% rule last cycle (every team did besides Oakland I beleive)

That is fair to note. The last two years, the team has operated at an extreme level of thriftiness and we have seen the team get worse since 2012 as spending (ranking) has decreased year after year.
JG's contract will make a dent but the 49ers could sign him and still be the second lowest payroll in the NFL so they will have plenty to spend on other FAs as well.

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:
Grant Cohn on 957 saying Jimmy G is non committal since he's been dodging the question if he wants to be here long term.

Cohn is a half-wit.

Kirk Cousins and Washington is one thing. There's some bad blood there and institutional incompetency. But that is literally the only recent example of a QB refusing to resign with a team. If Jimmy G were playing under Tomsula with Baalke continuing to massacre this team with a bunch of AJ Jenkins and Vance McDonalds in the draft, then that would be one thing. But he's playing under Kyle Shanahan who has a proven track record with three other teams and a very solid first year draft for the current front office.

And Jimmy G and this team have also won 5 of 6 to finish the year. Where the hell else would Garoppolo go? He's playing for a very competent coach for a prestige franchise that hasn't had an above the Mendoza line QB since Jeff Garcia, let alone an all-pro level QB since Steve Young. The fans and region have responded to him accordingly.

Has no one seen this Peter King clip? Jimmy was "euphoric" when he found out that he was traded to the Niners. By the way, this clip is from November 2. If anything, the euphoria has only multiplied.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

This may have been talked about. If so please forgive me. But can somebody make me understand the logic of Kevin Lynch?:

http://www.knbr.com/2017/12/26/49ers-should-wait-to-sign-garoppolo-to-a-long-term-deal/

Kevin Lynch fails to win this argument.

He doesn't account for the absolute fact of what we've seen in the past month writ large upon this franchise.

With Jimmy G at QB the whole is greater than the sum of his parts.

It doesn't matter if he has a bad game or loses 3 in a row next year or throws 3 picks in a big game.

At the very worst he turns out to be Ringo, but he's still a freakin Beatle.

Dont mess with fate.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

That is fair to note. The last two years, the team has operated at an extreme level of thriftiness and we have seen the team get worse since 2012 as spending (ranking) has decreased year after year.
JG's contract will make a dent but the 49ers could sign him and still be the second lowest payroll in the NFL so they will have plenty to spend on other FAs as well.

Yup we will see I hope they spend money but are smart about it.

Philly spent the most cash last cycle and had one playoff game do show for it. Teams like the Pats and panthers spent less then us and we'll have some pretty well.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Grant Cohn on 957 saying Jimmy G is non committal since he's been dodging the question if he wants to be here long term.

I didn't hear the interview, but Grant might be right. Jimmy has been very non-committal. And it begs the question why?

Is this really a negotiation tactic and if so is it really effective. Ask yourself, would you really want to give a huge contact to someone that only wants to be here for the money?

How hard is it for Jimmy to say, " I love it here. I love the fans. It's great weather and the Niners have a rich history of winning." " I'd love to be here long term."

Would that really put him at a disadvantage in contact negotiations. I certainly don't think so. If anything he is gaining leverage with the fans and putty pressure on the Niners FO. With his current non-commital stance Niners FO could easily say Jimmy's heart wasn't here and we couldn't sign him.

I've listened to a number of his post game interviews. He's polished and polite, but if you read through the lines you can also see he's confidence is boarderine arrogant. I think you'll see it as time goes on.

I've been saying it for a while, he's an east coast guy with no west coast ties. He's not in awe of the Niners since he didn't grow up here and was a Pat.

Originally posted by 5Jan2003:
Kevin Lynch fails to win this argument.

He doesn't account for the absolute fact of what we've seen in the past month writ large upon this franchise.

With Jimmy G at QB the whole is greater than the sum of his parts.

It doesn't matter if he has a bad game or loses 3 in a row next year or throws 3 picks in a big game.

At the very worst he turns out to be Ringo, but he's still a freakin Beatle.

Dont mess with fate.

Washington has waited to resign Cousins. That hasn't worked out so well. The Matt Flynn comparison is stupid. The 2011 Packers were prohibitive Super Bowl favorites and Flynn played in mop up duty at the end of games and in a game that was meaningless at the end of the season.

Garoppolo started two meaningful games at the beginning of last year and now in four more games this year -- two against likely playoff teams. The sample size is sufficient to know what we're getting.

This whole argument is stupid. Jimmy wants to be here and the team wants him here for the long term even more. A deal will be struck at the latest after one year playing under the franchise tag.