Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Day 6 demoted to backup

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you go around acting like Captain Save-a-Hoe for the Trey haters the way you do the Jimmy haters, yes we'll call you a Trey hater as well.

Never thought I'd see Jimmy fanboy referring to Trey as a Hoe.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
No, the cap hit for Jimmy this year is nearly 14 mil because his play based incentives were designated "likely to be earned" AB and I talked about LTBE and NLTBE incentives in cap considerations on my channel.

Those incentives are on the books for a cap hit this season and if he doesn't play and achieve those incentives they will be credited to our cap next season but the cap hit is 13.991 mil for Garoppolo this season. Our total positional cap for QB is a little over 22 mil.

The unused portion of it rolls over to next year. Whether it's split between this year or next year isn't a major concern of ours actually. It's savings.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is spending a lot for security here. I guess we need 2 QB's to run this scheme. LOL

$6.5M isint alot.

$27M is.

p.s.

Are you guys not seeing the false narratives people will make up to convince themselves of things that simply are not true??

Jimmy as a backup QB is EXCELLENT for our team.

No one hated Jimmy from the beginning. What they perhaps did hate is his role on the team. But now that has finally changed.

The only thing left to hate on now is the same thing that was hated on 2-3 years ago,...which was false narratives that really have no place in legit discussion.

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Ribs always thought he was going to go somewhere to compete for a job pre injury, including possibly here to compete with Lance(albeit unlikely)for the one year left and try to earn a contract else. Once Lance took the bull by the horns during the offseason workouts he changed his opinion on the competition but still never wavered on schooling guys on the possibility of Jimmy still returning. Quoting direct quotes from coaches while others literally said they were lying creating crazy conspiracies.

Would you mind citing the post (under your Ribs handle) that you suggested Jimmy might reduce his contract and stay?

I mean I can do so from my posts (the only way he's staying is with a massive paycut),...but can you? All I have is arguing that maybe he should still be the starter:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Hypothetical but say Trey is a little behind right now as he 21 years old, that's not hate, that's reality. What if Jimmy, a 9 year accomplished vet gives us a better chance?

Be honest... What do you do? From what I gather people would rather lose because they hate Jimmy.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

My point is that out of the QBs drafted early last year only one... just one has not been named full time starter. Meanwhile instead of handing Trey the keys they continually leave the door open for Jimbo.

Nothing I have said is false.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Im not a huge Jimmy guy either but he's not a terrible QB. There's plenty of interest from everything that I've heard/read and that's why they just haven't just dumped him to the highest bidder.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

When he's healthy yeah........ Dude just had surgery(again) and had a bum hand. 27 million plus a high draft pick for a guy that is oft injured on a one year deal is not ideal right now. If he was healthy he'd more than likely be gone. Again... something the FO has insinuated. We can take that risk as we are paying a bargain (your words) for a guy that can get us deep into the playoffs all while paying pennies for Trey. We are in a win win.

Come preseason/season and a team has an injury, Jimmy's scenario won't be as bad as he'll be healthy and could be a one year rental.

Lol,...you expressed no stand-out opinion that differed from the crowd. You were simply requoting Lynch over and over and daring that anybody contest his words. As you can see above, you said that "We can take that risk" of paying the $27M. No suggestions at all that he takes a paycut and that's why we can keep him. Only stuff about how he should start over Trey and we might keep him AND his contract.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Don't think so. He'd be gone right now if they wanted him gone. They never, not once committed to Trey or that Jimmy returning was off the table.

Trey is not ready. He's a 21 year old prospect that played in scrub league for a single season. Shanny and Lynch's job is to win right now and Jimmy gets us to the NFCC while Trey needs his training wheels. The only way we are trading Jimmy is if we get a rightful deal. If not we keep winning with Jimmy even though the fans hate winning for whatever weird reason.

"If not we keep winning with Jimmy" -- Horribly false. Here's what true statements would've been:

#1 -- He's taking a massive paycut. If not, we cutting Jimmy.

#2 -- We are going to attempt to keep winning with Trey,...not with Jimmy.

Recounting false stories over and over on a messageboard will not suddenly make them true simply because most here dont care to remember.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle is spending a lot for security here. I guess we need 2 QB's to run this scheme. LOL

$6.5M isint alot.

$27M is.

He costs just under 14M this year. Not 6.5M.

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Kyle is spending a lot for security here. I guess we need 2 QB's to run this scheme. LOL

$6.5M isint alot.

$27M is.

He costs just under 14M this year. Not 6.5M.

No. There's a difference between "cost" and "salary cap hit."

He indeed doesn't cost anywhere near $14M until he plays alot more and earns that money back.

You are probably talking about LTBE money,....which rolls over to the next season if it isin't attained during the current season.

LTBE, the third column above, stands for "likely to be earned." Only incentives classified as LTBE count against any given year's salary cap. If an incentive is deemed not likely to be earned (NLTBE), it doesn't count against the current cap.

The NFL catches up on accounting every offseason. If a player achieves NLTBE incentives, the paid-out money will be charged to the following year's cap. If a player doesn't meet LTBE incentives that have already hit the cap, a team will receive a refund the following year.

Determining whether a particular incentive is LTBE or NLTBE is actually simple: If a player met that incentive in the previous season, it's LTBE.

So Garoppolo has $8.45 million of incentives in his new contract and $5.65 million are LTBE — or charged against the 49ers' 2022 cap. That's 67 percent of the incentives, a notably high amount because Garoppolo actually achieved most of the incentives as the starting QB last season.
https://theathletic.com/3554301/2022/08/31/jimmy-garoppolo-49ers-salary-cap/

As discussed,...the only reason a good chunk of that money counts against the current cap is because he reached those numbers last year. It's not because it is costing us or anything like that. From an accounting perspective the incentives are likely, but from a reality perspective,...barring injury,...they aren't.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Kyle is spending a lot for security here. I guess we need 2 QB's to run this scheme. LOL

$6.5M isint alot.

$27M is.

He costs just under 14M this year. Not 6.5M.

No. There's a difference between "cost" and "salary cap hit."

He indeed doesn't cost anywhere near $14M until he plays alot more and earns that money back.

You are probably talking about LTBE money,....which rolls over to the next season if it isin't attained during the current season.

LTBE, the third column above, stands for "likely to be earned." Only incentives classified as LTBE count against any given year's salary cap. If an incentive is deemed not likely to be earned (NLTBE), it doesn't count against the current cap.

The NFL catches up on accounting every offseason. If a player achieves NLTBE incentives, the paid-out money will be charged to the following year's cap. If a player doesn't meet LTBE incentives that have already hit the cap, a team will receive a refund the following year.

Determining whether a particular incentive is LTBE or NLTBE is actually simple: If a player met that incentive in the previous season, it's LTBE.

So Garoppolo has $8.45 million of incentives in his new contract and $5.65 million are LTBE — or charged against the 49ers' 2022 cap. That's 67 percent of the incentives, a notably high amount because Garoppolo actually achieved most of the incentives as the starting QB last season.
https://theathletic.com/3554301/2022/08/31/jimmy-garoppolo-49ers-salary-cap/

As discussed,...the only reason a good chunk of that money counts against the current cap is because he reached those numbers last year. It's not because it is costing us or anything like that. From an accounting perspective the incentives are likely, but from a reality perspective,...barring injury,...they aren't.

Which is why I said this year. If he doesn't hit incentives we get back next year. This year he is almost 14M.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
I still think he will be gone by the trade deadline, his salary is now much easier to move, and we just need a QB injury to spur the trade.

Depends on Purdy progression and finding another Mobile PS QB

I think they have carried 2 QBs in the past. So I don't think they need to find another mobile QB on the practice squad to trade Jimmy. Or if they do need a mobile QB on the PS squad, Josh Johnson i hear is available. So in other words it would Purdy simple to find another mobile QB.

The fact that they kept Purdy instead of Sudfeld tells me that the chances of Jimmy getting traded are pretty slim.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The fact that they kept Purdy instead of Sudfeld tells me that the chances of Jimmy getting traded are pretty slim.

Or you can say the chances for a Jimmy trade depends on a starter QB being injured, which is a slim chance also. Basically we agree.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:
If you go around acting like Captain Save-a-Hoe for the Trey haters the way you do the Jimmy haters, yes we'll call you a Trey hater as well.

Never thought I'd see Jimmy fanboy referring to Trey as a Hoe.

Analogies are hard.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Let it go, you were able to let Alex go (I hope). This is the same thing

Let what go? I actually like Jimmy and root for him. Why are you here? Yes this is the same thing as Alex. Strangely the same group of people are in here hating on Jimmy who hated on Alex. Jimmy isn't even the starter yet here you all are dumping on him. I'm not surprised though because you did it to Alex even when he went to a different team. Y'all even did it when he broke his leg and had the most amazing comeback in sports history. Thanks for reminding me the level of character I'm dealing with.

In case y'all want some better perspective on Jimmy G returning:
https://anchor.fm/albert-mauriello