Originally posted by Strwy2Hevn:
Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:I think this is a good post but most people were not saying this nor ever insinuated this besides you. You've always been pretty fair though I do think you've gotten ahead of yourself, as others have as well, just to deny Jimmys success at times in your case or in others to prop him up.
Originally posted by Furlow:
Originally posted by BangBang49er:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
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Originally posted by YACBros85:
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Originally posted by the_dynasty:
I said it before and I'll say it again. The injury reason gave a convenient out to save face to both the FO and Jimmy.
If the injury was the reason for not trading him and considering other teams actually wanted him, why wouldn't they pick him right now? Why would teams not upgrade at a starting qb position if they actually want Jimmy as a starter?
Why would Jimmy prefer the bench to any starting jobs?
It's really simple and you can apply Occam's razor here. Teams simply don't think he's that good. Teams view him as a fringe starter/backup caliber QB.
If they viewed him as an upgrade as their starter, Jimmy would already be on another team. A qb who is actually coveted by teams doesn't settle for being a backup and teams actually try to get him.
It's really not rocket science here. Teams and players act in their own self-interest. If teams see a way to upgrade their roster, they pick up players to do so. If a qb sees an opportunity to be a starter, he takes that chance. There wasn't a chance. Jimmy settled for a backup job.
Yep and ask yourself why would Jimmy want a no trade clause...
If he were the QB that many seem to think, team should be lining up, especially after the new contract.
Teams were given permission to negotiate a new contract with Jimmy for a month before he signed his new contract. Teams could have drawn up their own just like it.
But they didnt.
So again NFL teams currently do not see JG as a viable mid to long term starting QB and Jimmy clearly knows this. Why be a back up somewhere else when he can stay here on a good team.
This is very disingenuous. Every single team already made moves and already had their starters outside of possibly Seattle. Jimmy wasn't going anywhere to be a starter so late in the offseason. Again, outside of possibly Seattle no matter where he signed it was going to be as a backup as pretty much every single team already had their competition going or starters already named. At the end of the day, this was the best scenario for both teams as he got a decent paycheck with great incentives and the 49ers upgraded from Sudfeld.
I call BS.
A top QB in the NFL is the panacea for success in this generation of the NFL. JG just signed a huge bargain of a deal and not one NFL team was willing to sign him.....other than us.
Dont give me the crap about teams preparing.
What teams needed a starting QB in August that already didn't make a move?
Most. 20 teams currently in the NFL will never reach any form of consistent success with their current QB situation. If Jimmy is all that and more, like some are suggesting, teams should be lining up out the door. Unfortunately for JG, there was only one standing at the door.
Some teams will be next season if he's not injured. Many talking heads reported on interest pre injury. Now guys like Schefter, who said there was interest, aren't always right but they do have more information than you guys who have a very very clear and obvious bias. Nobody wants to take on a guy that has a 25 million dollar contract, that is injured, with only a single year left in a contract. Now add in giving up draft capital for that? Far less than ideal. There's only a select few guys worth taking that risk. By the time Jimmy was cleared to play everyone that needed a QB besides Seattle already had their position set.
Again multiple "experts" said there was interest in Jimmy before he had surgery. Now tell me, where is your evidence there was none pre-injury? Again, you guys are being very disingenuous glossing over his injury to make it seem like without the injury nobody would want him. To sit and act like getting surgery right at the time he did had no impact on his vakue is just being intentionally ignorant.
Excellent post. And the bolded is what the Jimmy detractors (is that better for you guys to not get emotional about?) continue to ignore. They present the most simpleton argument of "well no one traded for him so they just don't think he's good enough." Child-like mindset.
The child-like mindset is deliberately misrepresenting what one's arguing opponents are saying. It's not JUST what is bolded. It's that his ability does not MATCH that contract. No, he is not a bad QB. He's one of the better ones. But the GULF between the elite QBs is and the "pretty good" ones is so vast that the Jimmy's and Winston's of the league should be making under 20 million.
So, here's a he HONEST and actual reasons no one wanted him:
1. He was injured, and his healing time table would put him behind the ball for training camp.
2. His contract was unreasonably high for what he is: a "win-now" bridge QB who you sign so you remain competitive while your QB of the Future develops. Moreover, the salary of elite QBs is inflating so much that the tier two guys can no longer be paid like they used to by wise team developers, relative to the elite QBs. Not if a team wants to win. Because the "pretty good" QBs need great players around them to succeed consistently.
3. He has a history of injuries.
4. The 49ers have Lance, who they have invested a bunch of resources in, which dramatically reduced their leverage in trade talks. "Why should I give you draft capital for a guy you've clearly moved on from?"
5. Due to his injury, he was left out while the QB market settled and teams got their guy. The NFL is usually risk averse and focused in the RIGHT NOW. They are rolling with the QB who was best available when they NEEDED him, not three months later.
6. (Only mentioned here because a Bucs person said this to the media) His game is almost exclusively the middle of the field, which makes it easier for great defenses to shut him down. That means he'll struggle in the playoffs—which he has (check his playoff stats). That means Jimmy will never be the guy a team chooses as the END of their QB search. Which means he's strictly a "win-now" bridge QB. And no one wants to pay 25 million for a bridge QB.
To waterbear's point.. For month that Ribs guy continually, daily, pointed out that Jimmy returning was a possibility strictly based off of what the coaches and FO were saying and posters like you and captain countdown argued that the coaches didn't really mean that and that it was coach speak. Now you same guys are denying that was ever part of the conversation. I understand that there were many different angles from different posters but Ribs specifically was saying that while chances were small, the coaches were always willing to bring Jimmy back if the scenario fit. You guys flat out denied that they were being serious and were saying they were just lying. Ribs was right the entire time. You guys were wrong. Own it I say, you and others.
Lol what's up Ribs
Wonder if he thinks its a win to get demoted also?
Ribs always thought he was going to go somewhere to compete for a job pre injury, including possibly here to compete with Lance(albeit unlikely)for the one year left and try to earn a contract else. Once Lance took the bull by the horns during the offseason workouts he changed his opinion on the competition but still never wavered on schooling guys on the possibility of Jimmy still returning. Quoting direct quotes from coaches while others literally said they were lying creating crazy conspiracies.
Jimmy being a backup is of little surprise. Especially after he got surgery and his contract became untradable. Pre surgery he's probably a starter somewhere which he'll probably be next year. For us it's a win win. As Ribs pointed out and also schooled guys, hes a perfect backup. Unlike some he likes what is best for the team and doesn't get triggered by another man's presence. It was always about what's best for the team with him not some weird vendetta towards another man.
Jimmy getting demoted is a huge win for the team. I know some put their distaste towards Jimmy over the team and would rather fail but not him.
