Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Just like I said

#49ers HC Kyle Shanahan said QB Trey Lance was "great" about the prospect of Jimmy Garoppolo returning. The belief/hope is that Garoppolo will support Lance like Lance supported Garoppolo last year with roles reverse.

— Nick Wagoner (@nwagoner) August 30, 2022

Actually what you said was:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Was Schefter trolling when he said Mac Jones was going to SF? Jimmy is trash and the league has spoken. Get him off the roster and move on

Lol still using the one comment from months ago to prove something….predictably not copying and pasting all the other posts I've stated, you know because that would crush your little fabricated world you've created about me….pathetic as usual.

You said plenty more than this and you know that. Just stop pretending that you don't hate Jimmy, we all know you do. Keep your same weird energy or admit you were wrong. But when you talk out of both sides of your mouth on a day to day basis, people are going to call you out. It's not just me either.

Bruh if anyone should admit they were wrong it should be posters like YOU that thought teams would be lining up to trade for Jimmy.

But myself and others kept trying to explain that Jimmy's one of the least desirable QBs on the market due to his contract, his skillset, and his injury.

You have a lot of nerve prentending you're unbiased and NY isn't when you can clearly see all the hating BS comments Lance has gotten from this move already and you've never once called them out. Hypocrite much?

I never said teams would be "lining up" to trade for Jimmy. Did I think there was a market? Yes, and I even made a bet. Happy to pay that debt if/when he's traded for less than a 2nd round pick. I have no problem admitting I was wrong. What I don't do is make one stance and then pretend that I had the opposite stance. You don't see me on here saying "see, I told you we couldn't trade Jimmy." So you make zero sense.

I still think Jimmy is a middle of the pack to slightly above average starting QB. Put him in that 13-18 category. Surround him with enough talent and he can win a Super Bowl. I still think someone will make a trade for him. If not, he'll be signed and start elsewhere and end up getting another big contract. I still believe all of those things. Just because none came true this off-season doesn't mean they will never come true or his career is over.

And yes, I've called out MANY of the Lance hater comments. The Lance haters are 10x worse than the Jimmy haters, because the kid has only played a couple of games and is 22 years old. He needs to be given plenty of opportunity to show what he can do.

Dude I'm sorry, but I don't know if you are understanding the point here. No one thought Jimmy would be around AT HIS 27 MILLION DOLLAR SALARY, and no one thought he'd EVER take a pay cut to remain here. The FIRST ONE, we were CLEARLY 100% right. Jimmy is not making $27 million dollars, is he? No, he's not. Thank you very much for us being right.

Now, Jimmy taking a massive pay cut? Who in the world thought he'd actually go for that? I admit I was wrong in thinking Jimmy would be bitter and unwilling to take a pay cut to be the 49ers back up. No shame in that.

But this is not what our main argument was. Our main argument was that he'd never be here AT TWENTY-SEVEN MILLION AS THE ANOINTED STARTED. Is he here at 27 million? Nope. Is he the starter? Nope. So we were right.

This comment has absolutely nothing to do with the exchange above. Reading comprehension matters.

I'm not arguing about the minutia of what NY said. I'm arguing about you guys all claiming we were "wrong" for saying Jimmy wouldn't be back whilst ignoring the crucial context of that being at his previous salary. No, that's not precisely related to the sub-argument about NY calling Jimmy trash, but that's still the main argument you guys are making saying we were all "wrong," whilst conveniently ignoring the part about him making one fourth of his previous salary.

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
As I was saying earlier, I think Jimmy will embrace the backup role and offer a tremendous amount of leadership to a young QB. I think this alone is just as big as anything. If Jimmy can be like an Alex to Mahomes it could really help in his development. I think Jimmy will embrace this role and be ready if Trey goes down.

You're probably the only person who believed Jimmy would swallow his pride and ignore the insult the 49ers gave him by drafting his replacement.

Jimmy "Still Very Startable" Garoppolo

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Jimmy "Still Very Startable" Garoppolo

Shanahan: "That's why Jimmy wasn't an option unless he came in as a backup role."

You don't hand over a SB roster to a kid that's worse in practice than he is in games. Top 3 drafted QB's bust at a massive percentage. Sucks Trey is one the busts.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
"but we were always clear to Jimmy tha him salary cap-wise in a backup role and supporting Trey in that and if that worked for him, that was a no brainer for us. "

Lol c'mon dude. They left the door open the entire time as Ribs continually said Ribs was right, you as usual was flat out wrong.

It's kinda hard to hold TreyDey/Ribs accountable for for all of his swings and misses given all the names he's allowed to have.

What part of

"but we were always clear to Jimmytha him salary cap-wise in a backup role and supporting Trey in that and if that worked for him, that was a no brainer for us. "

Explain what that means what does "we were ALWAYS clear" mean?

Not to get involved in this branch of the argument, but... Shanahan on why Jimmy wasn't at practice and at meetings:

"I think that was because the chances were, to me it seemed, slim to none, just with the possibility of that happening." <-referring to Jimmy being on the 49ers in 2022.

He said to Jimmy they'd love to have him as a backup if nothing happened with respect to trades, but he really truly believed he would not be a 49er. So even Shanahan thought it wouldn't happen, which is why he wasn't in meetings (he also mentioned the 24 million guaranteed if he got hurt).

NO ONE—not even Shanahan—realistically thought he'd be back except the people who thought he'd be the 49ers starter. Which he isn't.

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Now, regarding what Trey/Ribs said, it was that he'd sign a small deal TO START, in hopes of by STARTING and showing out he'd get another back. Unless I'm mistaken, Ribs/Trey did not think he'd be signing to be the backup. Which is what he did. Am I wrong on that?

If you read the entire thing he simply didn't think he'd be back because he thought Jimmy would end up somewhere else but then he says he was "always" welcomed back as a backup. As Ribs said the entire offseason, that though unlikely the door was open. That was always his point... Period. People misconstrued a very simple concept. York said it, Lynch said it, Shanny said it. The possibility was always there.

Yes you are wrong. I was just actually just going back to make sure it wasn't me that was wrong on what he said. I remember reading this and wanting to respond at work but I can't do this at work, just lurk.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What are talking about? I simply said he will sign with a team that needs him(ie needs a backup). He will sign there to hopefully get his chance to play and to earn himself a contract and he's content doing that. That's literally all I'm saying drama boy.

Now seriously WTF are you talking about?

It's extremely basic what he was saying. Random just needed to argue like he's doing now.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
He's a FA next year with a no franchise option, like Trey said. He signed a small deal like Trey said. I'm flabbergasted that this is difficult.

He restructured his current deal so as to not get cut.

He was not content with getting cut (for reasons already repeated), which is what you claimed and was corrected on. Take the "L" my man. It's okay.

Getting cut a week before the season is a bit different than becoming a free agent at the end of a season. This is obvious to anyone without a weird agenda.

Lol you are lost at sea here. That was central to my point to Ribs/Trey from the very beginning.

Taking a 1-year prove it deal in September after 53 man cuts would NOT be beneficial to Jimmy on a new team with an average roster.

If he could get a solid 3 year deal or something like that then sure. But that clearly was not in the cards.

Dude said he'd be perfectly content with getting cut now and as we saw,....he was horribly wrong. It's okay.

I'm not lost at all. Jimmy has a very favorable contract now. If he does nothing, he gets paid nicely for a backup. If he plays, he gets paid nicely for a starter. He can't be traded unless he wants the trade. He can't be franchised. He's guaranteed to go into next season as a free agent, at the start of free agency. He has quite a bit of leverage now.

The Niners, Shanahan in particular, are doing a little damage control and acting like they got this "great deal" because they look like idiots. They overplayed their hand and waited too long to trade Jimmy, and risked him going to a division rival. And very possibly they're not as confident as they once were in Trey "learning on the run" so now they have a quality backup.

Anyone pretending that Jimmy is making out badly with this deal simply doesn't understand the business side of the NFL. He is a MUCH more attractive option for other teams now, both this season and next season.

Jimmy couldn't find a trade partner. His agent had full access to seek any offer since march. So there is no waiting too long, no damage control and def not overplayed. They weren't going to pay jimmy his full salary and that was it. jimmy caved in and took the pay cut

as for business.. it might be bad as he might not play the entire year or not play a meaningful snap in Jan 22

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Not to get involved in this branch of the argument, but... Shanahan on why Jimmy wasn't at practice and at meetings:

"I think that was because the chances were, to me it seemed, slim to none, just with the possibility of that happening." <-referring to Jimmy being on the 49ers in 2022.

He said to Jimmy they'd love to have him as a backup if nothing happened with respect to trades, but he really truly believed he would not be a 49er. So even Shanahan thought it wouldn't happen, which is why he wasn't in meetings (he also mentioned the 24 million guaranteed if he got hurt).

NO ONE—not even Shanahan—realistically thought he'd be back except the people who thought he'd be the 49ers starter. Which he isn't.

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Now, regarding what Trey/Ribs said, it was that he'd sign a small deal TO START, in hopes of by STARTING and showing out he'd get another back. Unless I'm mistaken, Ribs/Trey did not think he'd be signing to be the backup. Which is what he did. Am I wrong on that?

Most of us probably try not to speak in absolute terms, but there were definitely people who thought he realistically could be back as a backup. I did. I argued it here, and also argued I thought it was the right decision given certain conditions (not salary).

I also had plenty of negative responses, some of which were not at all based on salary. Those were fun, lol.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Jimmy "Still Very Startable" Garoppolo

Shanahan: "That's why Jimmy wasn't an option unless he came in as a backup role."

...and you believe that....

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Not to get involved in this branch of the argument, but... Shanahan on why Jimmy wasn't at practice and at meetings:

"I think that was because the chances were, to me it seemed, slim to none, just with the possibility of that happening." <-referring to Jimmy being on the 49ers in 2022.

He said to Jimmy they'd love to have him as a backup if nothing happened with respect to trades, but he really truly believed he would not be a 49er. So even Shanahan thought it wouldn't happen, which is why he wasn't in meetings (he also mentioned the 24 million guaranteed if he got hurt).

NO ONE—not even Shanahan—realistically thought he'd be back except the people who thought he'd be the 49ers starter. Which he isn't.

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Now, regarding what Trey/Ribs said, it was that he'd sign a small deal TO START, in hopes of by STARTING and showing out he'd get another back. Unless I'm mistaken, Ribs/Trey did not think he'd be signing to be the backup. Which is what he did. Am I wrong on that?

Most of us probably try not to speak in absolute terms, but there were definitely people who thought he realistically could be back as a backup. I did. I argued it here, and also argued I thought it was the right decision given certain conditions (not salary).

I also had plenty of negative responses, some of which were not at all based on salary. Those were fun, lol.

while you were not talking about salary, mostly everyone was. No way and it's now fact, that we would go into 2022 paying a back up 27 mill

1. Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
   while you were not talking about salary, mostly everyone was. No way and it's now fact, that we would go into 2022 paying a back up 27 mill

I assure you that wasn't 'mostly' the case, as I was actually involved in those conversations and you're guessing.

I don't think it's a very strong point to keep harping on the fact that he wouldn't have been here as a 27 million dollar backup. It's only meaningful to people who thought a restructure was impossible or highly unlikely (because Jimmy was mad or whatever else, lol). Clearly it wasn't given the timing and lacking market for his services.

I don't see why people wouldn't have expected him to get a reworked deal as part of a trade in the first place.

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by BangBang49er:
"but we were always clear to Jimmy tha him salary cap-wise in a backup role and supporting Trey in that and if that worked for him, that was a no brainer for us. "

Lol c'mon dude. They left the door open the entire time as Ribs continually said Ribs was right, you as usual was flat out wrong.

It's kinda hard to hold TreyDey/Ribs accountable for for all of his swings and misses given all the names he's allowed to have.

What part of

"but we were always clear to Jimmytha him salary cap-wise in a backup role and supporting Trey in that and if that worked for him, that was a no brainer for us. "

Explain what that means what does "we were ALWAYS clear" mean?

Not to get involved in this branch of the argument, but... Shanahan on why Jimmy wasn't at practice and at meetings:

"I think that was because the chances were, to me it seemed, slim to none, just with the possibility of that happening." <-referring to Jimmy being on the 49ers in 2022.

He said to Jimmy they'd love to have him as a backup if nothing happened with respect to trades, but he really truly believed he would not be a 49er. So even Shanahan thought it wouldn't happen, which is why he wasn't in meetings (he also mentioned the 24 million guaranteed if he got hurt).

NO ONE—not even Shanahan—realistically thought he'd be back except the people who thought he'd be the 49ers starter. Which he isn't.

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Now, regarding what Trey/Ribs said, it was that he'd sign a small deal TO START, in hopes of by STARTING and showing out he'd get another back. Unless I'm mistaken, Ribs/Trey did not think he'd be signing to be the backup. Which is what he did. Am I wrong on that?

If you read the entire thing he simply didn't think he'd be back because he thought Jimmy would end up somewhere else but then he says he was "always" welcomed back as a backup. As Ribs said the entire offseason, that though unlikely the door was open. That was always his point... Period. People misconstrued a very simple concept. York said it, Lynch said it, Shanny said it. The possibility was always there.

Yes you are wrong. I was just actually just going back to make sure it wasn't me that was wrong on what he said. I remember reading this and wanting to respond at work but I can't do this at work, just lurk.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:
What are talking about? I simply said he will sign with a team that needs him(ie needs a backup). He will sign there to hopefully get his chance to play and to earn himself a contract and he's content doing that. That's literally all I'm saying drama boy.

Now seriously WTF are you talking about?

It's extremely basic what he was saying. Random just needed to argue like he's doing now.

While that's true, even Shanahan didn't believe that was possible, and it was NEVER possible at his salary. Shanahan said point blank it was not an option.

The "simple concept" being missed is it WAS NOT AN OPTION (to directly quote Shanahan) at the salary he had on his previous contract. The thing that no one believed—and I dare say even most of YOUR side didn't believe—is that Jimmy would ever agree to a massive pay cut with the expressly stated stipulation of being the backup QB for the 49ERS. Given that they drafted his replacement.

We all knew Jimmy was a good guy, but that's another level of humility that I don't think anyone here really believed he had. He doesn't need money.

A whole lot of perfect storms had to happen for this to occur, the most important of which was the timing of his surgery, which ruined the opportunity for him to join another team early enough for camp. But even with that, I can't fathom anyone, except maybe two or three people, who would imagine that Jimmy wouldn't be too angry and hurt to agree to be the backup QB with a dramatically reduced salary on the 49ers.

Originally posted by shorepatrol:
You don't hand over a SB roster to a kid that's worse in practice than he is in games. Top 3 drafted QB's bust at a massive percentage. Sucks Trey is one the busts.

Still too early to call him a bust, but I was never a fan of him coming out and wasn't happy at all when they took him. Will just have to wait and see until week 1

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Jimmy "Still Very Startable" Garoppolo

Shanahan: "That's why Jimmy wasn't an option unless he came in as a backup role."

...and you believe that....

Um, you realize the other half of the stipulation for Jimmy to remain was at a dramatically reduced salary, right? So you believe Shanahan told the truth about half the sentence and lied the other half?

Originally posted by RiceOwensStokes:

Originally posted by shorepatrol:
You don't hand over a SB roster to a kid that's worse in practice than he is in games. Top 3 drafted QB's bust at a massive percentage. Sucks Trey is one the busts.

Still too early to call him a bust, but I was never a fan of him coming out and wasn't happy at all when they took him. Will just have to wait and see until year 3 of his career.

FTFY.