Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by glorydayz:
If Kyle wanted Watson he would have drafted him when he needed a QB.

Same could be said about Mahomes.

Players develop. There is a massive difference between projecting how good someone will be based on their college tape and then how good the player ends up being 5 years later.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Ok, I guess it's reasonable to be mad at the FO for not being able to bring in a better veteran QB to replace Jimmy like Brady or Stafford (whether they had a realistic chance of doing so or not).

… But how is this a reasonable conclusion as to why they didn't make those moves?

It's not reasonable....Kyle tried to get Rogers for f**k sake lol.

It's all hindsight is 20/20 BS. Brady was 42 and coming off one of his worst years. They had Jimmy coming off a Super Bowl and both guys were getting paid. He's acting like McVay didn't have Goff for an extra 2 years all the same. SF made a move for a QB the same off season as LA did. I'd bet money if Watson didn't become a sexual predator, he would have been a Niner. s**t isn't always as easy as some fans think it is.

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Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

its flawed. we can even look at this past year missing key pieces like Kittle.. with and without Kittle being there for Lances games made a huge difference..

Originally posted by TonyStarks:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Ok, I guess it's reasonable to be mad at the FO for not being able to bring in a better veteran QB to replace Jimmy like Brady or Stafford (whether they had a realistic chance of doing so or not).

… But how is this a reasonable conclusion as to why they didn't make those moves?

It's not reasonable....Kyle tried to get Rogers for f**k sake lol.

It's all hindsight is 20/20 BS. Brady was 42 and coming off one of his worst years. They had Jimmy coming off a Super Bowl and both guys were getting paid. He's acting like McVay didn't have Goff for an extra 2 years all the same. SF made a move for a QB the same off season as LA did. I'd bet money if Watson didn't become a sexual predator, he would have been a Niner. s**t isn't always as easy as some fans think it is.

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WHEN did KS tried to trade for Aaron?

All JL did was asked, and was it not AFTER the draft ??

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

You don't listen very well do you?

Yes the win/loss record is a fact but it doesn't account for the players who coincidentally missed time with Jimmy.

It's laughable how you want to construe my comments, claiming it's "haterism", when I could just as well say you're clearly being a homer for not acknowledging the fact that Jimmy and Mullens and/or Beathard didn't play with the same players. There's no bias in that claim it's simply true.

The year we acquired Jimmy we broke records for losing games within a single score. So I think it's fair to say that Jimmy 1. Was clearly an upgrade 2. Was enough to put us over the hump. So to speak.

But it's not as if we were a team that couldn't compete and then Jimmy made us undefeated by himself. We were consistently competitive that year we just needed better QB play and Jimmy gave us that. Personally I think Jimmy pre ACL tear was better than Alex Smith. But I'm still a hater. Got it.

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheStalker49er:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by TheStalker49er:
Probably doesn't pay attention to anything niner related except Jimmy

He probably doesn't know how many other players were also injured during those years, or didn't watch our rebuild years when we had no talent at the start.

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Lol you need your safe space again?

Nah

Then maybe stop crying so much?

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

It's laughable how you want to construe my comments, claiming it's "haterism", when I could just as well say you're clearly being a homer for not acknowledging the fact that Jimmy and Mullens and/or Beathard didn't play with the same players. There's no bias in that claim it's simply true.

He went 5-0 with the same players. What do you mean?

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

the KS10 followers just keep on blaming that Grappy was the reason why we couldn't get to the Super Bowl... They believe that our HC is great when the fact is he wont even be mentioned as a HOFer if he retires now... so how the heck can he be GREAT?

as you witness, some even uses HOYER & BJ or MULLENS as the reasons as to why we couldn't win.. heck, who brought them here?

Bill Walsh once thought of trading MONTANA for the chance to draft Elway but did not... the reason?? he already saw how good Joe was and felt that he would rather have him...

While now, the EXCUSES of not signing Brady was due to his last season's performance at NE and how Grappy took us to the Super Bowl.. PATHETIC..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

the KS10 followers just keep on blaming that Grappy was the reason why we couldn't get to the Super Bowl... They believe that our HC is great when the fact is he wont even be mentioned as a HOFer if he retires now... so how the heck can he be GREAT?

as you witness, some even uses HOYER & BJ or MULLENS as the reasons as to why we couldn't win.. heck, who brought them here?

Bill Walsh once thought of trading MONTANA for the chance to draft Elway but did not... the reason?? he already saw how good Joe was and felt that he would rather have him...

While now, the EXCUSES of not signing Brady was due to his last season's performance at NE and how Grappy took us to the Super Bowl.. PATHETIC..

lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

the KS10 followers just keep on blaming that Grappy was the reason why we couldn't get to the Super Bowl... They believe that our HC is great when the fact is he wont even be mentioned as a HOFer if he retires now... so how the heck can he be GREAT?

as you witness, some even uses HOYER & BJ or MULLENS as the reasons as to why we couldn't win.. heck, who brought them here?

Bill Walsh once thought of trading MONTANA for the chance to draft Elway but did not... the reason?? he already saw how good Joe was and felt that he would rather have him...

While now, the EXCUSES of not signing Brady was due to his last season's performance at NE and how Grappy took us to the Super Bowl.. PATHETIC..

lol

not sure why your laughing... it's actually SAD..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

the KS10 followers just keep on blaming that Grappy was the reason why we couldn't get to the Super Bowl... They believe that our HC is great when the fact is he wont even be mentioned as a HOFer if he retires now... so how the heck can he be GREAT?

as you witness, some even uses HOYER & BJ or MULLENS as the reasons as to why we couldn't win.. heck, who brought them here?

Bill Walsh once thought of trading MONTANA for the chance to draft Elway but did not... the reason?? he already saw how good Joe was and felt that he would rather have him...

While now, the EXCUSES of not signing Brady was due to his last season's performance at NE and how Grappy took us to the Super Bowl.. PATHETIC..

lol

not sure why your laughing... it's actually SAD..

yes your posts are sad.. thats what is funny to all of us

i'm still waiting on how we were supposed to sign TB BTW

Actual players that played recognize and admit it but what do they know. Waterbear says he's wrong lol. This fanbase lol.

"Man, I think people got short-term memory loss or something because, before Jimmy came (the 49ers weren't good). . . . He saved us," Armstead told Kyle Draper of Kings Pregame Live, via NBCSportsBayArea.com. "I won two games, four games, and when Jimmy came he really turned it around, brought us to the point where we're at now. I have nothing but love and respect for Jimmy . . . being able to see what goes into it, what he goes through day in and day out. I wish nothing but the best for him, and that's my guy."

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by RackofRibs49:
Kyle without a quality starting QB has one of the worst records in the NFL.

Ftfy

Yup. Jimmy is quality. Without Jimmy he has the, I think the 3rd worse w/l in the entire league. That pisses NY off immensely but it's fact. I think he'll be fine too with Trey, hopefully better, though winning more than all but 2 other QBs will be tough.

The problem with your logic is you're not taking into account the likes of CJ BEATHARD for God's sake.

NO ONE is winning much with third string QBs dude. No one. Kyle could win with the Fitzpatricks and Hurts' of the NFL, too.

Not to mention that several key players were lost for the season at the same time as Jimmy. Go look at the games Kittle missed, it's almost the same as Jimmy

Nothing is apples to apples. So the argument about Kyle's record with and without Jimmy is extremely flawed if you're assuming all other variables remained the same… they did not.

Lol how is something that is 100% factual flawed? The 49ers record with Jimmy is one of the very best in the league. The 49ers record without Jimmy is one of the very worst in the league. To sit and act like going 3-28 then winning 5 straight, then going on to being the one of the best teams in the entire league has nothing to do with Jimmy is flat out haterism. Was it all Jimmy? No. But 2019 especially, where Jimmy was statistically one of the better QB'S, was in a large part in due to Jimmy. This is why we stuck with Jimmy having multiple chances to get something else.

It's laughable how you want to construe my comments, claiming it's "haterism", when I could just as well say you're clearly being a homer for not acknowledging the fact that Jimmy and Mullens and/or Beathard didn't play with the same players. There's no bias in that claim it's simply true.

He went 5-0 with the same players. What do you mean?

I'll give you an example:

In 2020 Jimmy G missed 10 games and played in 6.

Of the 6 games Jimmy played in… Kittle played in all but 1 game. So 5/6 games Jimmy started, he was throwing to Kittle.

Of the 10 games Jimmy missed due to injury, Kittle played in 3 of those games. So 3/10 games Kittle played without Jimmy.

In other words… 7 of the 10 games that Jimmy was out, Kittle was also not playing.

That's just one example of how the W/L record with and without Jimmy is misleading. Unless you don't think having your best player on the field affects our probability of winning.