Originally posted by Ghostofabshelmet:
Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by 49ersRing:
Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Pre 2011? Absolutely, Jimmy outperformed Alex.
Jimmy is/was the more natural thrower of the football than Alex no question. But his footwork and pocket mobility was way worse than Alex's IMO.
But you know as well as I do that Alex had a new offensive coordinator every single year. Jimmy had Kyle Shanahan... kinda unfair to compare with that fact alone.
I think Alex performed better in the playoffs, was traded for 2 second rounders (Jimmy released?), and his post 49ers career without question will be better than Jimmy's.
I'm not confident Jimmy will start a full season for the rest of his career, whether that's due to opportunity or injuries. I hope he does get a chance elsewhere so this debate can continue.
In the end... Jimmy is more of a gunslinger than Alex. Alex was a game manager. If Jimmy didn't tear his ACL I think I would agree with you that Jimmy is clearly superior. But at this moment I don't think he's proved that yet.
Jimmy accomplished more in 2019 and 2021 alone than Alex did in 7 years as a 49er. I know there could be reasons for that, but reasons aside, Jimmy accomplished more. Personally, what Alex did as a Chief is irrelevant to me....as will what Jimmy does in his next stop. All that matters to me is what was accomplished here. And Alex overall was a massive disappointment, where as Jimmy was only a slight one. Just my 2 cents.
Jimmy doesn't have any moment that is as memorable as the playoff game against the Saints. In the playoffs, Jimmy was always either a passenger along for the ride or a detriment. Never the hero.
I can agree with this. The Alex moment at Candlestick was all time. But to play devils advocate, Jimmy has never played in a playoff game where the 49ers turned the opponent over five times.
And @golden to your point, yes Jimmy exceeded the expectations one should have from a 2nd round pick, but he absolutely failed to meet expectations of being the next great 49er QB (or even coming close to meeting the expectations of someone being paid what we paid him).
I kinda view Alex, Jimmy, and Kaepernick together like one of those ven diagrams.
Where Alex had the mobility but not the arm talent, and Jimmy had the arm talent but not the mobility, and Kaepernick had the arm talent and the mobility but wasn't the best in processing defenses (or something else I'm forgetting)
It will continue to be a debate as long as we're alive but for the first time ever (born in 92) I truly feel we got a QB who even the staunchest naysayers won't try to argue belongs with those other 3 QB. Trey will be in his own class reaching for our two all time greats but separated from Alex, Jimmy , and Kaep. 
Kaepernick's problem was anticipatory throwing. He read defenses about as well as Jimmy.
Oh, and sometimes inconsistent accuracy.
Wasn't going through his reads also a problem for Kaep?
No. Edited to not piss off babies:
We can find countless videos of him clearly going through progressions. That's a myth, caused by lack of football knowledge and other biases, one of which includes biases against mobile QBs. That is the only one I will list.
Kap in 2015 DEVELOPED a mental weakness, but it wasn't "processing." It was a loss of general balls. Because of the Cardinal game he started second guessing instead of just reacting to what he saw. The biggest instance of that I saw was against Green Bay where he was literally staring at Boldin for two seconds, who was wide open six yards away, and then he finally threw it as the defender got there. That lasted quite a while, and he broke out of it by just being WAY to conservative (which is losing football).
So, Kap got shellshocked after his slow windup was exploited by the Cardinals, and that made him second guess and hesitate. But he was never some guy incapable of going through progressions. One thing he DID do was abandon progressions when he thought he had a run lane, but that often worked out brilliantly so I don't blame him for it.
[ Edited by 5_Golden_Rings on Jun 8, 2022 at 3:16 PM ]
