Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by socal1632:
You can't say that he is a good qb. A little research proves that. His average qbr for all of his playoff game's fourth quarters is like 28. It's deplorable. He isn't good enough to rise to the occasion. His fast release on those short hospital ball routes adds enough to Kyle's running schemes, scores just enough points to get wins. A little better throwing the ball than Beat Hard but the players love him so they play hard to help out. However, there is no coincidence that Deebo had to move to the backfield to get something going. Safeties we're filling the gaps between the Linebackers and Jimmy can't throw deep

Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

stop with this BS.. JG is a game manager and nothing more

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by socal1632:
You can't say that he is a good qb. A little research proves that. His average qbr for all of his playoff game's fourth quarters is like 28. It's deplorable. He isn't good enough to rise to the occasion. His fast release on those short hospital ball routes adds enough to Kyle's running schemes, scores just enough points to get wins. A little better throwing the ball than Beat Hard but the players love him so they play hard to help out. However, there is no coincidence that Deebo had to move to the backfield to get something going. Safeties we're filling the gaps between the Linebackers and Jimmy can't throw deep

Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

stop with this BS.. JG is a game manager and nothing more

BS is saying you cannot call JG good. Fact is his rating is 98. That's a fact. And it's a darn good rating. I admit in the post if you read it that he has liabilities no question. Even haters should admit that he's good. Maybe not good enough, make that point. Don't attempt to make the point he isn't good at all that's just

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by socal1632:
You can't say that he is a good qb. A little research proves that. His average qbr for all of his playoff game's fourth quarters is like 28. It's deplorable. He isn't good enough to rise to the occasion. His fast release on those short hospital ball routes adds enough to Kyle's running schemes, scores just enough points to get wins. A little better throwing the ball than Beat Hard but the players love him so they play hard to help out. However, there is no coincidence that Deebo had to move to the backfield to get something going. Safeties we're filling the gaps between the Linebackers and Jimmy can't throw deep

Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

stop with this BS.. JG is a game manager and nothing more

BS is saying you cannot call JG good. Fact is his rating is 98. That's a fact. And it's a darn good rating. I admit in the post if you read it that he has liabilities no question. Even haters should admit that he's good. Maybe not good enough, make that point. Don't attempt to make the point he isn't good at all that's just

being carried by a team is avg, Throwing only 5-10 yard passes over the middle isn't great and it's the reason we lose when it counts

i mean not all of it was bad, but we need a guy who can throw the ball all over the field when needed and make this offense a strength, not a weakness

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
being carried by a team is avg, Throwing only 5-10 yard passes over the middle isn't great and it's the reason we lose when it counts

i mean not all of it was bad, but we need a guy who can throw the ball all over the field when needed and make this offense a stregth, not a weakness

I can't say that he was carried by the team. I mean take the one variable out (JG) and we sucked hard. Inserting the guy in the lineup ups our win chance from like .300 to .650 or .700. You could say well all starters do that. First off that admits that yes he's an NFL starter, and apparently pretty impactful. Second, no they don't. A ton of starters don't impact win totals nor have the rating of JG. You can argue it's just luck that he's won all this much, maybe so. Even then, how do you explain the rating which is through the roof? You can't, not without admitting on some level that just maybe he's like kinda good.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by socal1632:
You can't say that he is a good qb. A little research proves that. His average qbr for all of his playoff game's fourth quarters is like 28. It's deplorable. He isn't good enough to rise to the occasion. His fast release on those short hospital ball routes adds enough to Kyle's running schemes, scores just enough points to get wins. A little better throwing the ball than Beat Hard but the players love him so they play hard to help out. However, there is no coincidence that Deebo had to move to the backfield to get something going. Safeties we're filling the gaps between the Linebackers and Jimmy can't throw deep

Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

If only GMs thought like you, Jimmy would be worth multiple 1sts. But they don't give a damn about QB rating

And lol at comparing football to baseball, have another slap

Majority of all great QBs have been at least average in the 4th QT, compare Jimmy to other NFL QBs in 4th QT of playoff games, not baseball players.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
being carried by a team is avg, Throwing only 5-10 yard passes over the middle isn't great and it's the reason we lose when it counts

i mean not all of it was bad, but we need a guy who can throw the ball all over the field when needed and make this offense a stregth, not a weakness

I can't say that he was carried by the team. I mean take the one variable out (JG) and we sucked hard. Inserting the guy in the lineup ups our win chance from like .300 to .650 or .700. You could say well all starters do that. First off that admits that yes he's an NFL starter, and apparently pretty impactful. Second, no they don't. A ton of starters don't impact win totals nor have the rating of JG. You can argue it's just luck that he's won all this much, maybe so. Even then, how do you explain the rating which is through the roof? You can't, not without admitting on some level that just maybe he's like kinda good.

when you throw the least amount of passes, rating and %s are higher. it's not rocket science. but there is a reason why we take the ball out of his hands, more so in the playoffs. Dude just s**ts the bed.. so many time the team has to cover his dumb ass throws and INTs. but we still won in spite of jimmy.

When JG was not playing those years, JG wasn't the only one missing. so it's just not an easy take about when he's gone we suck

Mina Kimes is correct

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
If only GMs thought like you, Jimmy would be worth multiple 1sts. But they don't give a damn about QB rating

And lol at comparing football to baseball, have another slap

Majority of all great QBs have been at least average in the 4th QT, compare Jimmy to other NFL QBs in 4th QT of playoff games, not baseball players.

I question if you even read my post as I admit he's got a ton of liabilities so no not worth multiple firsts.

Not comparing football to baseball simply making the point that using postseason stats is a small sample size and can lead to wrong conclusions which is true as demonstrated.

Only point I am making is that one can make the case he is good. Original post said "you can't say he is good". I mean are you saying as well it's impossible to make any case he is good?

I say he's good and so did Bill B when they drafted him, JL when he traded for him, KS the last 5 years starting him over and over etc.

They've all said he's good maybe not Tom Brady or franchise QB level of course no question it's why we moved on, but a good solid QB no doubt. You can even think he's mediocre and still concede the point that someone could argue he is at least kinda good.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
being carried by a team is avg, Throwing only 5-10 yard passes over the middle isn't great and it's the reason we lose when it counts

i mean not all of it was bad, but we need a guy who can throw the ball all over the field when needed and make this offense a stregth, not a weakness

I can't say that he was carried by the team. I mean take the one variable out (JG) and we sucked hard. Inserting the guy in the lineup ups our win chance from like .300 to .650 or .700. You could say well all starters do that. First off that admits that yes he's an NFL starter, and apparently pretty impactful. Second, no they don't. A ton of starters don't impact win totals nor have the rating of JG. You can argue it's just luck that he's won all this much, maybe so. Even then, how do you explain the rating which is through the roof? You can't, not without admitting on some level that just maybe he's like kinda good.

when you throw the least amount of passes, rating and %s are higher. it's not rocket science. but there is a reason why we take the ball out of his hands, more so in the playoffs. Dude just s**ts the bed.. so many time the team has to cover his dumb ass throws and INTs. but we still won in spite of jimmy.

When JG was not playing those years, JG wasn't the only one missing. so it's just not an easy take about when he's gone we suck

Mina Kimes is correct

Ya it's just Jimmy bias when people talk about the W% without him, they seem to forget how many other injuries at key positions happened when Jimmy was out as well.

Plus, CJ and Mullens were flat out bad.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
when you throw the least amount of passes, rating and %s are higher. it's not rocket science. but there is a reason why we take the ball out of his hands, more so in the playoffs. Dude just s**ts the bed.. so many time the team has to cover his dumb ass throws and INTs. but we still won in spite of jimmy.

When JG was not playing those years, JG wasn't the only one missing. so it's just not an easy take about when he's gone we suck

Mina Kimes is correct

The Saints threw the same amount per game as SF... If Jimmy Gs percentages are higher because he threw less, how come they combined to complete 58% of their passes with a QB rating of 87? Why did they not get inflated numbers?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by socal1632:
You can't say that he is a good qb. A little research proves that. His average qbr for all of his playoff game's fourth quarters is like 28. It's deplorable. He isn't good enough to rise to the occasion. His fast release on those short hospital ball routes adds enough to Kyle's running schemes, scores just enough points to get wins. A little better throwing the ball than Beat Hard but the players love him so they play hard to help out. However, there is no coincidence that Deebo had to move to the backfield to get something going. Safeties we're filling the gaps between the Linebackers and Jimmy can't throw deep

Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

You are apparently staggeringly poor at knowing what your looking at. His processor is mediocre at best. Chucks and ducks . Do you really think that they would change gears at that position, as a sb contender, unless they decided that he just isn't good enough? Sorry, you loose. You get nothing. No more James "Jimmy" WTFwasthateroppolo

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Short term memory. All of you haters.

It's all Shanahan's fault.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
when you throw the least amount of passes, rating and %s are higher. it's not rocket science. but there is a reason why we take the ball out of his hands, more so in the playoffs. Dude just s**ts the bed.. so many time the team has to cover his dumb ass throws and INTs. but we still won in spite of jimmy.

When JG was not playing those years, JG wasn't the only one missing. so it's just not an easy take about when he's gone we suck

Mina Kimes is correct

The Saints threw the same amount per game as SF... If Jimmy Gs percentages are higher because he threw less, how come they combined to complete 58% of their passes with a QB rating of 87? Why did they not get inflated numbers?

The Saints we're playing Hill at QB lol.

Originally posted by socal1632:
You are apparently staggeringly poor at knowing what your looking at. His processor is mediocre at best. Chucks and ducks . Do you really think that they would change gears at that position, as a sb contender, unless they decided that he just isn't good enough? Sorry, you loose. You get nothing. No more James "Jimmy" WTFwasthateroppolo

As I already wrote above I think they decided to move on because yeah of course he's not Tom Brady or Mahomes level good. That's obvious, right? Your original statement was no one can say he's good. You way overstated it imo. Course you can say he's good many have including HOF level coaches.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Comical post I'm sorry. 4th quarter in playoff games is a small sample size. For example I can say that Mike Trout hits .083 in the postseason. I mean, pitchers hit better than that! Does that tell you anything? No it doesn't. Cuz it's a small sample size. Why not use the career numbers?

JG has a career rating of 98.9. You say that "you can't say he's a good qb". You are wrong. 98.9 is darn good. How do you look at his career record, his career rating and say he isn't good?

Sure you watch the games and you assign blame for every loss to JG. All the losses sting. You wish he was 50-0 as opposed to 33-14. I get it. Let's get real tho. You can knock him in a whole bunch of ways. Durability and not challenging deep down field are places to start. Being a lil unsure of what to do with the ball when no one is open is another one. But to say he's not a good QB when his record and passer rating are what they are just makes me discount anything else you may say as unserious.

Career rating better than:

Montana
Young
Stafford
Brady
Matt Ryan
Roethlisberger
Josh Allen

Is rating the only QB metric, no. Is JG better than those guys, certainly no. But to say not only that he's not good, but that it's impossible to even suggest he's good? What a staggeringly poor comment.

stop it...jimmy is a game manager that turns the ball over too much

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
when you throw the least amount of passes, rating and %s are higher. it's not rocket science. but there is a reason why we take the ball out of his hands, more so in the playoffs. Dude just s**ts the bed.. so many time the team has to cover his dumb ass throws and INTs. but we still won in spite of jimmy.

When JG was not playing those years, JG wasn't the only one missing. so it's just not an easy take about when he's gone we suck

Mina Kimes is correct

The Saints threw the same amount per game as SF... If Jimmy Gs percentages are higher because he threw less, how come they combined to complete 58% of their passes with a QB rating of 87? Why did they not get inflated numbers?

because the saints had a FB trying to play QB. Look at the Saints when Winston was QB. not a great QB but he managed the offense better. Smiliar to us in 2018