Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I know you guys are going to think I'm crazy, but I wouldn't trade JG for anything less than two first rounders. The cap is going to go up and we won't have to pay first rounders for two years. We can probably make it work with our draft picks and keeping both QB's.

LET JG & Tray really fight it out, best man wins.

I just think we will need more than one QB in order to win long term. Tray is a runner and JG is injury prone. They may be able to compliment one another well for at least one more year.

I really like Jimmy, I think most know that. But we ain't getting 2 firsts for him.

If they stand firm and demand 2 firsts then he's the overpriced house on the market. No takers. People have to realize how other teams view him and not what Niner fans or coaches think of him. You can't ignore his injury history. I can't think of any QB that's missed 2 seasons in 4 years because of injury, ever being traded for 2 first round picks.

The price will be based on his performance. The health issue is easily resolved by conditional picks, a la Carson Wentz. If the seeker demands conditional protection, it will come at the cost of a firm 2nd this year in addition to whatever else will be included. A conditional 2nd next year that could become a 1st is worth much less than a 1st this year. The FO will push this scenario.

When looking at Garoppolo, they will look first of all at how well he plays between picks and a missed pass here and there. Every good QB misses on occasion and throws some picks. The last GB game I watched had Rodgers missing a WIDE OPEN Davante Adams in the end zone on a simple 20-yard pass. Adams expressed his disappointment but went on. I'm not suggesting there is any comparison between the two. I'm only pointing out that Jimmy's failures are often inflated. In this case, had he not made some outstanding throws in the first half, what happened in the 2nd half would not be in the discussion.

As others have noted, there is a dearth of quality QBs that will be available this off-season. Denver and Pittsburgh are at the top of a long list. Both teams are better than their record. What they lack is a QB. They will be competing with each other for Jimmy...if the FO does go ahead with a trade. Both teams have cap room and Denver has plenty of draft picks to invest.

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Probably one of Jimmy's worst games yet we still won. Gotta step up next week. Trey would have made that throw he got intercepted at. I know his thumb is still hurting but if he's not comfortable asking the throw live another down.

Trey would not have moved teh ball as well as we did and i think we have a lot more sacks with Trey

It maybe a small sample size for Trey but he has actually been sacked at a lesser rate than Jimmy during the season. I also doubt Trey misses Aiyuk and Sherfield on those throws. Jimmy is still the starter because of his leadership and Shanahan trusts him during two minute drills. Jimmy is pretty clutch in those situations.

Jimmy is the starter because he's a better QB right now. Who knows if Trey would've made those throws. You have HOFers like Big Ben missing similar throws, Mahomes before he got hot yesterday missed some easy throws. It happens. More often than not.

So you think Jimmy is better than Trey at throwing on the run and throwing outside the numbers? Jimmy is the starter because of the reasons I mentioned. It has more to do with leadership and trust than anything else.

Originally posted by dj43:
The price will be based on his performance. The health issue is easily resolved by conditional picks, a la Carson Wentz. If the seeker demands conditional protection, it will come at the cost of a firm 2nd this year in addition to whatever else will be included. A conditional 2nd next year that could become a 1st is worth much less than a 1st this year. The FO will push this scenario.

When looking at Garoppolo, they will look first of all at how well he plays between picks and a missed pass here and there. Every good QB misses on occasion and throws some picks. The last GB game I watched had Rodgers missing a WIDE OPEN Davante Adams in the end zone on a simple 20-yard pass. Adams expressed his disappointment but went on. I'm not suggesting there is any comparison between the two. I'm only pointing out that Jimmy's failures are often inflated. In this case, had he not made some outstanding throws in the first half, what happened in the 2nd half would not be in the discussion.

As others have noted, there is a dearth of quality QBs that will be available this off-season. Denver and Pittsburgh are at the top of a long list. Both teams are better than their record. What they lack is a QB. They will be competing with each other for Jimmy...if the FO does go ahead with a trade. Both teams have cap room and Denver has plenty of draft picks to invest.

Excellent, fair post. Especially agree with the middle paragraph about Jimmy.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you think Jimmy is better than Trey at throwing on the run and throwing outside the numbers? Jimmy is the starter because of the reasons I mentioned. It has more to do with leadership and trust than anything else.

agreed

but Jimmy release helped a lot thats what i meant by the sacks. Cowboys brought a lot of pressure and his release helped a lot where he can stand till the last second and not many QB can do that. I also have little doubt we move the ball better with Jimmy than Trey. that being said trey can make throws jimmy cant and thats why we moved up to get him but he isnt the better qb today which obviously is expected

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Probably one of Jimmy's worst games yet we still won. Gotta step up next week. Trey would have made that throw he got intercepted at. I know his thumb is still hurting but if he's not comfortable asking the throw live another down.

Trey would not have moved teh ball as well as we did and i think we have a lot more sacks with Trey

It maybe a small sample size for Trey but he has actually been sacked at a lesser rate than Jimmy during the season. I also doubt Trey misses Aiyuk and Sherfield on those throws. Jimmy is still the starter because of his leadership and Shanahan trusts him during two minute drills. Jimmy is pretty clutch in those situations.

Jimmy is the starter because he's a better QB right now. Who knows if Trey would've made those throws. You have HOFers like Big Ben missing similar throws, Mahomes before he got hot yesterday missed some easy throws. It happens. More often than not.

So you think Jimmy is better than Trey at throwing on the run and throwing outside the numbers? Jimmy is the starter because of the reasons I mentioned. It has more to do with leadership and trust than anything else.

I don't think. I know as a fact Jimmy right now is better than a 21 year old highly inexperienced rookie. It's common sense.

Why is Chris Simms allowed to talk about NFL football? Dude's biggest achievement is playing with a lacerated spleen.

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LFG !!!

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jcool:
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Lol I know you Montana fanboys are still around and that's cool and great. The greatest in 49er history. Just wont let you rewrite history to disparage the guy that replaced him. That's all.

If he is great, let his accomplishments stand on its own two legs without fairytales.

You would've HATED Young.

Like I said,...Shanahan would be getting fitted for his 3rd ring by now.

Give him time and the dude was a surgeon.

You didn't watch 1993 where he threw 2 picks and was down 28-7 at half. You would've been angry for weeks. When Steve said "get my monkey off of my back" he was talking to fans and pundits that hated on him like you do Jimmy.

I've seen the game. No one wins them all, and context is everything. Steve Young is literally the definition of consistency. JG is the exact opposite. Not sure where this is going (well,...it's going nowhere).

We're talking about an absolute surgeon with the football (if given a "legit" Oline):




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As I see it, I guess your main fallacy is you want myself and others to fall in love with one particular game (like where you were so upset you asked for Jimmy to be benched,...which is something I've never done here).

That's just not the lenses I see things through. I judge players on how they play game after game after game once I have a legit sample size. I don't over-exaggerate one or two games.

This is why it's really hard to have a "gotcha" moment like you want to with regards to the stuff I put out there.

Go watch the guy play game after game after game. There's a reason why guys like him and Kurt Warner can put together HOF careers with extremely late starts. Doesn't just happen by chance or with good luck.

Originally posted by Heed49er:
Why is Chris Simms allowed to talk about NFL football? Dude's biggest achievement is playing with a lacerated spleen.

we seem to have a lot of experts here who didnt even get close to that level

^ this is sarcasam btw

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Probably one of Jimmy's worst games yet we still won. Gotta step up next week. Trey would have made that throw he got intercepted at. I know his thumb is still hurting but if he's not comfortable asking the throw live another down.

Trey would not have moved teh ball as well as we did and i think we have a lot more sacks with Trey

It maybe a small sample size for Trey but he has actually been sacked at a lesser rate than Jimmy during the season. I also doubt Trey misses Aiyuk and Sherfield on those throws. Jimmy is still the starter because of his leadership and Shanahan trusts him during two minute drills. Jimmy is pretty clutch in those situations.

Jimmy is the starter because he's a better QB right now. Who knows if Trey would've made those throws. You have HOFers like Big Ben missing similar throws, Mahomes before he got hot yesterday missed some easy throws. It happens. More often than not.

So you think Jimmy is better than Trey at throwing on the run and throwing outside the numbers? Jimmy is the starter because of the reasons I mentioned. It has more to do with leadership and trust than anything else.

I don't think. I know as a fact Jimmy right now is better than a 21 year old highly inexperienced rookie. It's common sense.

Why is Jimmy better right now? Its because of his leadership and his experience in Shanahan's offense. Shanahan does not have that same trust with Trey yet.

Originally posted by Heed49er:
Why is Chris Simms allowed to talk about NFL football? Dude's biggest achievement is playing with a lacerated spleen.

And yet here you are Heed49er allowed to talk football. Wonder how many NFL games you have started. I'm betting Chris has you beat there.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
TB completely shut down the Eagles and they had the best running game in the league heading into that game.

i dont think thats a fair baseline because Hurts isnt a great QB and was their leading rusher so i wouldn't call them best run offense (even if they had most yards/game) our run design is a lot better

I think LA matches up well with TB who is down a number of players.

I told someone before the playoffs that felt like we had a favorable matchip stretch.

DAL, GB and LA.

Dallas was my biggest concern

GB is gonna be tough due to weather, & I'm sure Aaron is sick of hearing he is 0-3 against the 49ers in the playoffs.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TreyDeyEeyDey:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Jcool:
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Lol I know you Montana fanboys are still around and that's cool and great. The greatest in 49er history. Just wont let you rewrite history to disparage the guy that replaced him. That's all.

If he is great, let his accomplishments stand on its own two legs without fairytales.

You would've HATED Young.

Like I said,...Shanahan would be getting fitted for his 3rd ring by now.

Give him time and the dude was a surgeon.

You didn't watch 1993 where he threw 2 picks and was down 28-7 at half. You would've been angry for weeks. When Steve said "get my monkey off of my back" he was talking to fans and pundits that hated on him like you do Jimmy.

I've seen the game. No one wins them all, and context is everything. Steve Young is literally the definition of consistency. JG is the exact opposite. Not sure where this is going (well,...it's going nowhere).

We're talking about an absolute surgeon with the football (if given a "legit" Oline):




.

.

As I see it, I guess your main fallacy is you want myself and others to fall in love with one particular game (like where you were so upset you asked for Jimmy to be benched,...which is something I've never done here).

That's just not the lenses I see things through. I judge players on how they play game after game after game once I have a legit sample size. I don't over-exaggerate one or two games.

This is why it's really hard to have a "gotcha" moment like you want to with regards to the stuff I put out there.

Yet here you are being negative as always.

Whatever back on ignore for you for a while. Cry all you want.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
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LFG !!!

FEELS GREAT BABY

HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So you think Jimmy is better than Trey at throwing on the run and throwing outside the numbers? Jimmy is the starter because of the reasons I mentioned. It has more to do with leadership and trust than anything else.

agreed

but Jimmy release helped a lot thats what i meant by the sacks. Cowboys brought a lot of pressure and his release helped a lot where he can stand till the last second and not many QB can do that. I also have little doubt we move the ball better with Jimmy than Trey. that being said trey can make throws jimmy cant and thats why we moved up to get him but he isnt the better qb today which obviously is expected

Yes. Jimmy's release is elite. Trey has shown that he can make up for not having as quick of a release by buying time in the pocket though. Like I said, Trey has a lesser sack rate than Jimmy. Not by much. But to say Trey would have taken a bunch of sacks is pure speculation.