Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by boast:
keep ignoring Jed York's offseason comment.

Oh please. You all know this team sort of and how they state things or are you new to 9ers?

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by boast:
keep ignoring Jed York's offseason comment.

Oh please. You all know this team sort of and how they state things or are you new to 9ers?

yeah. have you? Kyle (and John) have been nothing but forthright since they've been here.

Originally posted by eastie:
This post is nonsense. They drafted a QB because the one we have can't stay healthy. If he could they would not have drafted a QB so high in the draft. Tdebunked he downfield throw nonsense has been numerous times. KS uses the gameplan that works most consistantly and gives the team the best odds of winning, period.

It has? By who? How many throws did he make last week beyond 15 yards? Kyle uses the game plans he uses because they put the emphasis on short efficient passes instead of deeper routes that aren't Jimmy's strength. It also gets the ball out of his hands quickly which is great since JG isn't good at eluding the rush. Kyle is takin gall te tings Jimmy does well and incorporating them into the offense while eliminating the stuff he doesn't do well. That's smart coaching.

It's not a knock on a player to note that the isn't fast or doesn't have the strongest arm. People are what they are. His release and short accuracy are near the top so he's using the tools he has.

Originally posted by boast:
yeah. have you? Kyle (and John) have been nothing but forthright since they've been here.

Did I say they haven't been. Wanna make a $1 side bet Jimmy is gone when this season over?

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by boast:
yeah. have you? Kyle (and John) have been nothing but forthright since they've been here.

Did I say they haven't been. Wanna make a $1 side bet Jimmy is gone when this season over?

Jed's public comments after the draft prove that the possibility of bringing Jimmy back in 2022 has already been discussed and approved by ownership. not sure what to tell ya.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Wanna make a $1 side bet Jimmy is gone when this season over?

also this comment reminds me of kids on Call of Duty getting mad and wanting people to "1v1 me bro!!!"

Originally posted by 9erson3:

Originally posted by boast:
yeah. have you? Kyle (and John) have been nothing but forthright since they've been here.

Did I say they haven't been. Wanna make a $1 side bet Jimmy is gone when this season over?

It may not have anything to do with Jimmy's ability. If he won't take a pay cut they'll need to move him to get some cap space. If he was younger and still improving they might work enough contracts to keep him but he'll be 31 next year. Not old but certainly old enough to know what he is. Plus his history has him getting injured every other year. Next year would be the other year. It sucks that teams can't keep guys like Jimmy as backups because of the cap. He has enough experience now that he would be very valuable as a backup with all the injuries that happen to QBs every year. There might not be a lot of teams that will be willing to pay him to be the starter but I'm guessing every team would love him as a backup at about half what he's making.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It may not have anything to do with Jimmy's ability. If he won't take a pay cut they'll need to move him to get some cap space. If he was younger and still improving they might work enough contracts to keep him but he'll be 31 next year. Not old but certainly old enough to know what he is. Plus his history has him getting injured every other year. Next year would be the other year. It sucks that teams can't keep guys like Jimmy as backups because of the cap. He has enough experience now that he would be very valuable as a backup with all the injuries that happen to QBs every year. There might not be a lot of teams that will be willing to pay him to be the starter but I'm guessing every team would love him as a backup at about half what he's making.

Jimmy hasn't been improving this year? lol.

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It may not have anything to do with Jimmy's ability. If he won't take a pay cut they'll need to move him to get some cap space. If he was younger and still improving they might work enough contracts to keep him but he'll be 31 next year. Not old but certainly old enough to know what he is. Plus his history has him getting injured every other year. Next year would be the other year. It sucks that teams can't keep guys like Jimmy as backups because of the cap. He has enough experience now that he would be very valuable as a backup with all the injuries that happen to QBs every year. There might not be a lot of teams that will be willing to pay him to be the starter but I'm guessing every team would love him as a backup at about half what he's making.

Jimmy hasn't been improving this year? lol.

Agreed. If you can't see that Jimmy has been improving this year, I don't know what to tell you.

There's still a lot of football left this season. Let's see how it plays out with Jimmy the rest of the season. Hoping he and the team keep getting better...keep building on these last couple of weeks.

If the team goes out and says, "this is Jimmy's last year as a 49er", that would torpedo any trade value he would have after this season. Teams wouldn't trade for him and would just wait until he's released. Whether it's genuine or not, it is beneficial to say that Jimmy coming back in 2022 is a possibility. AA, Kittle, Trent, Ward all will have their cap hit spike up in 2022. If Jimmy is still on the roster, they will have to do some cap maneuvering to make it work. If the salary cap goes up a lot in 2022, then this could be a moot point and they can all come back with little problem.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by eastie:
This post is nonsense. They drafted a QB because the one we have can't stay healthy. If he could they would not have drafted a QB so high in the draft. The downfield throw nonsense has been debunked numerous times. KS uses the gameplan that works most consistantly and gives the team the best odds of winning, period.

If that was the case he would've taken Mac if he basically wanted a Jimmy clone that can stay healthy.

No reason to spend 3 first round picks on a guy when your supposed preferred game plan is to just throw short/intermediate passes down the middle of the field.

Never said anything about 'preferred plan". I said KS draws up the game plan that can win the game. His drafting of players that get YAC indicates a mindset that views midrange passing as the preferred method of attack through the air. Once the decision was made that the team needed more stability at the position due to injury and the backups on the roster were not sufficient, then why would you NOT go all in particularly when there were a bunch of draftees that could work. Just because you are comfortable driving a chevy doesn't mean that when it comes time to replace it you wouldn't look at ALL THE OPTIONS available and then choose the one that you see the most POTENTIAL with. This is a billion- dollar company we're talking about here. It stretches the imagination to think that serious background work wasn't preformed prior to trading for JG and before drafting TL.

Originally posted by thl408:
If the team goes out and says, "this is Jimmy's last year as a 49er", that would torpedo any trade value he would have after this season. Teams wouldn't trade for him and would just wait until he's released. Whether it's genuine or not, it is beneficial to say that Jimmy coming back in 2022 is a possibility. AA, Kittle, Trent, Ward all will have their cap hit spike up in 2022. If Jimmy is still on the roster, they will have to do some cap maneuvering to make it work. If the salary cap goes up a lot in 2022, then this could be a moot point and they can all come back with little problem.

The entire org is not going to discuss the future while the current season is not even close to being over

Anything said now is not set in stone.

but since the 49ers believe in the cap, we can't keep our future stars and truly upgrade the secondary while paying Jimmy's full salary

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
The only thing I can figure out with Jimmy is that many people in here are still pissed off about the missed ball to Sanders in the SB and that's where all of this drama comes from.

I don't understand. Why would anyone be upset about losing the Super Bowl?

I might have cared more if Harbaugh and Kaepernick hadn't already crossed that river. The thing that made the 49ers special was that they didn't lose Super Bowls. Once that spell was broken they just became another team in the hunt like everyone else. It sucks that they lost but it didn't ruin my day or anything.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
The only thing I can figure out with Jimmy is that many people in here are still pissed off about the missed ball to Sanders in the SB and that's where all of this drama comes from.

I don't understand. Why would anyone be upset about losing the Super Bowl?

I might have cared more if Harbaugh and Kaepernick hadn't already crossed that river. The thing that made the 49ers special was that they didn't lose Super Bowls. Once that spell was broken they just became another team in the hunt like everyone else. It sucks that they lost but it didn't ruin my day or anything.

Not ruin your day.. ? Doesn't compute

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by eastie:
This post is nonsense. They drafted a QB because the one we have can't stay healthy. If he could they would not have drafted a QB so high in the draft. Tdebunked he downfield throw nonsense has been numerous times. KS uses the gameplan that works most consistantly and gives the team the best odds of winning, period.

It has? By who? How many throws did he make last week beyond 15 yards? Kyle uses the game plans he uses because they put the emphasis on short efficient passes instead of deeper routes that aren't Jimmy's strength. It also gets the ball out of his hands quickly which is great since JG isn't good at eluding the rush. Kyle is takin gall te tings Jimmy does well and incorporating them into the offense while eliminating the stuff he doesn't do well. That's smart coaching.

It's not a knock on a player to note that the isn't fast or doesn't have the strongest arm. People are what they are. His release and short accuracy are near the top so he's using the tools he has.

100% disagree. I'm not going to pull up the research that has been posted recently for you which points out that JG's downfield passing is very similar to most of the QB's that everybody claims are so much better at it than him. I say that KS uses the game plans that he does because they have the best chance of getting the team a win. Deeper routes are always less likely to be completed. Mid- range routes are most likely to be completed. WR's that have the ability to extend those completions are who he's drafted, not because of his QB's supposed limitations but because they fit his overall scheme thinking. KS takes advantage of the things his players do best. JG's quick release is one of those things. Do you think that KS will radically change his gameplans once TL is the starter, or will he continue to run the ball, eat up the clock and use mid-range passing as his staple with YAC? My bet is he continues with the same gameplans, unless he acquires a serious deep threat which he doesn't have atm.