Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

I will be pretty surprised if they keep him another year. Especially if he has a good year, that's a lot of draft picks we can get back, and a lot of money that can be used to improve the team in other areas.

Plus, even if we really want him back, who knows what Jimmy is gonna want to do. He's gonna be on a 1 year deal and if he continues to play this well, he can cash in on a new contract on a new team, instead of risking injury again and then I doubt any team would give him 3-4 years with 30+ mil, which he will probably get if he continues this level of play and stays healthy

i doubt we get more than a 2nd for him (which is good) no matter what

I think the Steelers is the perfect place for him. They desperatly need a QB and have the D and offensive players around them to make a playoff push with him

I still believe he'll be gone In the off-season regardless of how he performs the rest of this year.

Yeah, I think he's gone no matter what happens.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

I will be pretty surprised if they keep him another year. Especially if he has a good year, that's a lot of draft picks we can get back, and a lot of money that can be used to improve the team in other areas.

Plus, even if we really want him back, who knows what Jimmy is gonna want to do. He's gonna be on a 1 year deal and if he continues to play this well, he can cash in on a new contract on a new team, instead of risking injury again and then I doubt any team would give him 3-4 years with 30+ mil, which he will probably get if he continues this level of play and stays healthy

i doubt we get more than a 2nd for him (which is good) no matter what

I think the Steelers is the perfect place for him. They desperatly need a QB and have the D and offensive players around them to make a playoff push with him

I still believe he'll be gone In the off-season regardless of how he performs the rest of this year.

Yeah, I think he's gone no matter what happens.

Or he will have to play for pennies, so we can sign Bosa and Deebo

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

I will be pretty surprised if they keep him another year. Especially if he has a good year, that's a lot of draft picks we can get back, and a lot of money that can be used to improve the team in other areas.

Plus, even if we really want him back, who knows what Jimmy is gonna want to do. He's gonna be on a 1 year deal and if he continues to play this well, he can cash in on a new contract on a new team, instead of risking injury again and then I doubt any team would give him 3-4 years with 30+ mil, which he will probably get if he continues this level of play and stays healthy

i doubt we get more than a 2nd for him (which is good) no matter what

I think the Steelers is the perfect place for him. They desperatly need a QB and have the D and offensive players around them to make a playoff push with him

I still believe he'll be gone In the off-season regardless of how he performs the rest of this year.

Yeah, I think he's gone no matter what happens.

Or he will have to play for pennies, so we can sign Bosa and Deebo

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

Can we make a poll about Jimmy's eventual trade compensation, salary on new team, and whether or not he's a 49er in 2022 and have everyone who's wrong be publicly shamed?

Sure why not. It's the NFL...things can change on a dime.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Thank you.

That's pretty much the same all over the league. What you aren't showing is how many throws over 15 yards. Very few for Jimmy. I'm guessing most of the rest of Jimmy's throws are 10-12 yards based on charts I've seen. The other guys you show have way more throes and completions beyond 15 yards and even out to 40 yards.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I would rather have Jimmy throw 10 yards or less and let the receivers do the work instead of trying to make throws that he isn't good at. Players can only play within their limits. He can't run the option well since he's no threat to run so they don't do it. Same with the deep passes.

9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

Okay, I admit 40 yards plus isn't common but you show passes 15 yards or more. Jimmy's numbers look okay until you look deeper and see he has very few in the or more category. He doesn't have many beyond that whether it's 20, 25 30 or 35 yards. Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies "A mans's got to know his limits".

Jimmy and Kyle know his limits.

You're going to keep splitting hairs on this forever aren't you. Why don't you just admit that Jimmy's play isn't as far off the mark this year as a lot of posters like to pretend. You guys keep coming up with these stats to try and prove something which at it's core isn't really true, which is the notion that Jimmy sucks. And when someone else comes back with some data that says, well no that's not really accurate then you go off in search of some other made up stat to try and prove your point. Well, on days where the temperature is 60 degrees or lower Jimmy's passes over 15 yards travel at a velocity that is .00043 points lower than the passes that Patrick Mahomes throws. Yeah, fine, whatever.

Some posters in here think that I am some kind of hardcore Jimmy supporter and I'm really not. I mostly just deride the stupid arguments that people use against him. Is he elite? No. Would we all like to see a bit more consistency from him on his deep passes? You bet but not every QB makes every throw all of the time. I happen to think he's pretty good and will defend him on that basis as long as he is the QB of the team, but that's just my opinion and not some hill that I am willing to die on and debate in post after post after post after post after...well you get the idea. When he moves on I'll wish him well and hope that Lance develops the way the team envisions. The only thing I can figure out with Jimmy is that many people in here are still pissed off about the missed ball to Sanders in the SB and that's where all of this drama comes from.

Most Niners fans support Jimmy but just don't think he's franchise QB. Apparently neither do Kyle and John or they wouldn't have trade up to get Lance. I don't see many people saying that Jimmy sucks. I see a lot that think he's about average. Again, Kyle must think so too because he uses a very conservative passing game. Jimmy has a high completion % mainly because he doesn't attempt a lot of downfield throws. He stays under 15 yards most of the time. Throughout his career he's had the shortest average throws but his yards per completion are pretty good largely because hus receivers are among the YAC leaders.

If that sounds like I'm bashing Jimmy, I'm not. I'm just pointing out who he is. He does what he does as good as any QB in the league but he's limited to quick throws at short to medium range. I know he can throw it farther but that's not what he does the best. You don't need stats to show who he is. Sometimes we don't see a single throw beyond 15 or even 20 yards. We seldom see a deep sideline throw. I don't consider anything over 15 yards a deep throw. Any NFL QB can throw farther than that. Some sites that track thus stuff use 15 yards as a cutoff because most passes are less than that. No surprise there.

I found a site that showed completion percentages behind the line, from the line to 10 yards, from 10 to 20 and beyond 20. The completion percentage for sideline throws beyond 20 yards is less than 30%. Between 10 and 20 it jumps up to about 47%. From scrimmage to 10 yards it's about 66%.

The numbers are higher for the middle of the field but the differences for the various distances are similar. The league average for throws between the hash marks out to 10 yards is above 68%. That's where most QBs throw because it's the easiest throw to make.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Most Niners fans support Jimmy but just don't think he's franchise QB. Apparently neither do Kyle and John or they wouldn't have trade up to get Lance. I don't see many people saying that Jimmy sucks. I see a lot that think he's about average. Again, Kyle must think so too because he uses a very conservative passing game. Jimmy has a high completion % mainly because he doesn't attempt a lot of downfield throws. He stays under 15 yards most of the time. Throughout his career he's had the shortest average throws but his yards per completion are pretty good largely because hus receivers are among the YAC leaders.

If that sounds like I'm bashing Jimmy, I'm not. I'm just pointing out who he is. He does what he does as good as any QB in the league but he's limited to quick throws at short to medium range. I know he can throw it farther but that's not what he does the best. You don't need stats to show who he is. Sometimes we don't see a single throw beyond 15 or even 20 yards. We seldom see a deep sideline throw. I don't consider anything over 15 yards a deep throw. Any NFL QB can throw farther than that. Some sites that track thus stuff use 15 yards as a cutoff because most passes are less than that. No surprise there.

I found a site that showed completion percentages behind the line, from the line to 10 yards, from 10 to 20 and beyond 20. The completion percentage for sideline throws beyond 20 yards is less than 30%. Between 10 and 20 it jumps up to about 47%. From scrimmage to 10 yards it's about 66%.

The numbers are higher for the middle of the field but the differences for the various distances are similar. The league average for throws between the hash marks out to 10 yards is above 68%. That's where most QBs throw because it's the easiest throw to make.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Saint Jimmy

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

I will be pretty surprised if they keep him another year. Especially if he has a good year, that's a lot of draft picks we can get back, and a lot of money that can be used to improve the team in other areas.

Plus, even if we really want him back, who knows what Jimmy is gonna want to do. He's gonna be on a 1 year deal and if he continues to play this well, he can cash in on a new contract on a new team, instead of risking injury again and then I doubt any team would give him 3-4 years with 30+ mil, which he will probably get if he continues this level of play and stays healthy

i doubt we get more than a 2nd for him (which is good) no matter what

I think the Steelers is the perfect place for him. They desperatly need a QB and have the D and offensive players around them to make a playoff push with him

I still believe he'll be gone In the off-season regardless of how he performs the rest of this year.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by boast:
and there it is. i told you Jed's comments about approving two years of Jimmy's salary last offseason will mean something.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/152875-kyle-shanahan-jimmy-garoppolo-leaving-door-remain-49ers/

Oh snap. Well, Jed did originally say 2 to 3 years.

I will be pretty surprised if they keep him another year. Especially if he has a good year, that's a lot of draft picks we can get back, and a lot of money that can be used to improve the team in other areas.

Plus, even if we really want him back, who knows what Jimmy is gonna want to do. He's gonna be on a 1 year deal and if he continues to play this well, he can cash in on a new contract on a new team, instead of risking injury again and then I doubt any team would give him 3-4 years with 30+ mil, which he will probably get if he continues this level of play and stays healthy

i doubt we get more than a 2nd for him (which is good) no matter what

I think the Steelers is the perfect place for him. They desperatly need a QB and have the D and offensive players around them to make a playoff push with him

I still believe he'll be gone In the off-season regardless of how he performs the rest of this year.

LOL.

Never Say Never, but I have a hard time believing that the 49ers would trade a QB away after taking the team to the playoffs for the second time in three seasons. It's not like these guys grow on trees. This is provided, of course, that Jimmy stays health enough to lead the 49ers to the playoffs THIS season.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Can we make a poll about Jimmy's eventual trade compensation, salary on new team, and whether or not he's a 49er in 2022 and have everyone who's wrong be publicly shamed?

That would be fun, do it

Originally posted by eastie:
This post is nonsense. They drafted a QB because the one we have can't stay healthy. If he could they would not have drafted a QB so high in the draft. The downfield throw nonsense has been debunked numerous times. KS uses the gameplan that works most consistantly and gives the team the best odds of winning, period.

Originally posted by 9erson3:
Kyle being Kyle. I read nothing into anything that stated Jimmy would be here in 2022. Why would we waste a rookie salary another year and pay Jimmy? $26m a year can really help where needed. Maybe in the secondary. Another WR.

Never going to happen. Let Kyle be Kyle and have fun screwing with your mind for the next six months. He loves it.