Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:


How is this not 40 yards?

Something seems a little off about your stats tbh.

Well f**k. I'm going to be really mad if I did all of this work with bad info. I got the numbers from https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com.

Edit: Turns out the chart reset on me and was excluding some weeks. I'll have to recalculate.

Do you have a direct link to the page you're finding depth of target and completion? Can't seem to find it.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:


How is this not 40 yards?

Something seems a little off about your stats tbh.

Well f**k. I'm going to be really mad if I did all of this work with bad info. I got the numbers from https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com.

Edit: Turns out the chart reset on me and was excluding some weeks. I'll have to recalculate.

All good. Appreciate the effort either way.

Originally posted by Jookie:
Genuine question. Does Garopollo throw short because he's good at it and likes to thro short? Or is it because that's a major part of the offensive plan/system that Kyle likes to employ?

From the outside looking in, it looks like we've drafted receivers and backs who are adept at YAC and therefore could excel in a short passing game. Is that a function of Kyle and Lynch fitting their scheme and playing personnel around Jimmy's strengths? Or is it because Jimmy is using the playbook that Kyle wants at this moment in time (probably 2017 to present day)?

There's obviously the scenario that it's somewhere in the middle. It's Shanahan's scheme and Garapollo's strengths that end up dictating the final outcome to varying degrees. The follow-on question to this is that with a QB with different strengths than Garoppolo do you think Kyle's playbook and play calling would change dramatically from what it's been over the last 2-3 years?

We've talked about this for a while, kyle put together a roster that fits his QB's skill set and his OZ scheme.

prior to kyle coming here it wasn't all about big bodied YAC monsters….go look at the early draft threads and what kyle seemed to like…it was all about footwork, route running, quickness, separation etc.

I think the skill set that your personnel/QB has will dictate the play calling for kyle, which is what you want from your coach.

I do not think if Josh Allen/Mahomes we're his QB that he would be running the same exact passing offense as he runs with Jimmy.

not saying you, but people get so offended when someone brings up depth of target or "deep passes" with Jimmy, overall not his strength…it's okay to admit that. You could say that for a lot of QBs. Run what works.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Do you have a direct link to the page you're finding depth of target and completion? Can't seem to find it.

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/nfl-stats/offense/passing/qb-completion-percentage-2021/

Make sure that you have everything selected so you don't look like an idiot like me.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Do you have a direct link to the page you're finding depth of target and completion? Can't seem to find it.

https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/nfl-stats/offense/passing/qb-completion-percentage-2021/

Make sure that you have everything selected so you don't look like an idiot like me.

Join the Club. I've been a football idiot, compared to guys like NY85 and NC, AB81, JD etc... since forever.

Don't have time to go back and do all of the numbers yet, but here are the 5 yards and under with all 11 weeks of data.

53% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
67% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

55% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
66% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

55% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
65% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

41% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
49% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Still a pretty big difference between Jimmy and the others on these types of throws.

jimmy is not a checkdown passer or a dink-and-dunk guy, the numbers back that up. jimmy's weakness is the deep balls. He is average to below-average in deep throwing.

but he is fantastic in the intermediate game - and most decent QBs can run the short game fine. If you wanna run the old troy aikman pund the rock and chuck it deep offense, Jimmy isn't your guy. You run a short-intermediate with occasional deep shots when the opportunity arises - jimmy can be very good for you.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Thank you.

That's pretty much the same all over the league. What you aren't showing is how many throws over 15 yards. Very few for Jimmy. I'm guessing most of the rest of Jimmy's throws are 10-12 yards based on charts I've seen. The other guys you show have way more throes and completions beyond 15 yards and even out to 40 yards.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I would rather have Jimmy throw 10 yards or less and let the receivers do the work instead of trying to make throws that he isn't good at. Players can only play within their limits. He can't run the option well since he's no threat to run so they don't do it. Same with the deep passes.

9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

Okay, I admit 40 yards plus isn't common but you show passes 15 yards or more. Jimmy's numbers look okay until you look deeper and see he has very few in the or more category. He doesn't have many beyond that whether it's 20, 25 30 or 35 yards. Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies "A mans's got to know his limits".

Jimmy and Kyle know his limits.

You're going to keep splitting hairs on this forever aren't you. Why don't you just admit that Jimmy's play isn't as far off the mark this year as a lot of posters like to pretend. You guys keep coming up with these stats to try and prove something which at it's core isn't really true, which is the notion that Jimmy sucks. And when someone else comes back with some data that says, well no that's not really accurate then you go off in search of some other made up stat to try and prove your point. Well, on days where the temperature is 60 degrees or lower Jimmy's passes over 15 yards travel at a velocity that is .00043 points lower than the passes that Patrick Mahomes throws. Yeah, fine, whatever.

Some posters in here think that I am some kind of hardcore Jimmy supporter and I'm really not. I mostly just deride the stupid arguments that people use against him. Is he elite? No. Would we all like to see a bit more consistency from him on his deep passes? You bet but not every QB makes every throw all of the time. I happen to think he's pretty good and will defend him on that basis as long as he is the QB of the team, but that's just my opinion and not some hill that I am willing to die on and debate in post after post after post after post after...well you get the idea. When he moves on I'll wish him well and hope that Lance develops the way the team envisions. The only thing I can figure out with Jimmy is that many people in here are still pissed off about the missed ball to Sanders in the SB and that's where all of this drama comes from.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Don't have time to go back and do all of the numbers yet, but here are the 5 yards and under with all 11 weeks of data.

53% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
67% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

55% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
66% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

55% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
65% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

41% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
49% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Still a pretty big difference between Jimmy and the others on these types of throws.

source???

I see we're back to air yards and deep passes again?

I never considered jimmy and dunk & dunker, but he doesn't throw very deep and doesn't throw outside

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Bro you aren't winning this argument just by arbitrarily choosing a particular number under 15 yards. One need only post his passing charts to debunk your argument. Most will look like this, and as you can see here, only 6 of his 19 attempts were at or below 5 yards... and yet, only ONE was greater than 12 yards:



The main reason why this thread has almost 7000 posts is because guys like you make claims that slap the face of reality. He throws short. He throws short a lot. He likes throwing short. He's good at throwing short. That is why he throws short.

Also hysterical is that the normal names will tell you how awesome you are for arbitrarily choosing 5 yards as your point of inflection, oblivious to the fact that the modern NFL game incorporates lots of WR screens and RPOs, which will make pretty much every offense have lots of passes in that range. Change that number to 15 yards and reevaluate. 10, 12, 20, etc.

Also what is your source? I want to play with it and see what happens when different arbitrary numbers are used.

Yes, playcalling impacts IAY and other passing stats immensely and that is why it is arbitrary and useless without context.

What is with the guys like you comment?

He brought facts.

More facts:
The reason this thread is so many pages is this:
Posts - Poster
4048 - SkyZer0
3935 - NYniner85
2120 - random49er

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

Using these percentages.

Patrick Mahomes

attempts over 15 yards - 38.7

completions over 15 yards - 22.25

Herbert

attempts over 15 yards - 33.096

completions over 15 yards - 18.009

Jimmy G

attempts over 15 yards - 23.876

completions over 15 yards -12.07

Originally posted by 49ers81:
The only thing I can figure out with Jimmy is that many people in here are still pissed off about the missed ball to Sanders in the SB and that's where all of this drama comes from.

I don't understand. Why would anyone be upset about losing the Super Bowl?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
Bro you aren't winning this argument just by arbitrarily choosing a particular number under 15 yards. One need only post his passing charts to debunk your argument. Most will look like this, and as you can see here, only 6 of his 19 attempts were at or below 5 yards... and yet, only ONE was greater than 12 yards:



The main reason why this thread has almost 7000 posts is because guys like you make claims that slap the face of reality. He throws short. He throws short a lot. He likes throwing short. He's good at throwing short. That is why he throws short.

Also hysterical is that the normal names will tell you how awesome you are for arbitrarily choosing 5 yards as your point of inflection, oblivious to the fact that the modern NFL game incorporates lots of WR screens and RPOs, which will make pretty much every offense have lots of passes in that range. Change that number to 15 yards and reevaluate. 10, 12, 20, etc.

Also what is your source? I want to play with it and see what happens when different arbitrary numbers are used.

Yes, playcalling impacts IAY and other passing stats immensely and that is why it is arbitrary and useless without context.

What is with the guys like you comment?

He brought facts.

More facts:
The reason this thread is so many pages is this:
Posts - Poster
4048 - SkyZer0
3935 - NYniner85
2120 - random49er

I blame it on their fears, fears of being wrong. It's the very reason why the need to beat a dead horse