Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
...maybe a second rounder.

Just to clarify… you're laughing at someone because you think its obvious we'll receive something greater than a second round pick for Jimmy?

I think he means, we'll be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

The way he's playing now we should be able to get a late 1st easy.

Let's expand this discussion. What other teams have no qualms with staying away from outside passes the way we do? I think the announcers mentioned the success we have down the middle over and over in games is a little unique,...especially volume-wise.

What offenses out there do you think he'd command a 1st round pick by going there? Please name at least two, because, you know, supply and demand.

What you're missing here is the truth that inside passing game is more a system issue with Kyle than a limitation on Jimmy.

He's got suitors next year if he keeps up his play. Teams like NO, Car, Pittsburg, Miami, Hou, Den, Det, NYG, may all be looking for upgrades or replacements.

Never was prior to Jimmy arriving. Wasn't even like that in early 2017 IIRC.

The offense before Jimmy arrived using using the stats haters love to point against him you saw Hoyer finish the season at 24th in air yards to the sticks in 2017 and 23rd in intended air yards according to next gen, CJ 31st and 35th for the QB's that had an offseason and most of the regular season to learn the employ the system Kyle apparently wanted and created here as HC.

That 5 game stretch in 17' that Jimmy had in that season was more like playing on instinct and away from the structure of the Kyle Shanahan system employed here again as he's been a HC. I honestly don't think it's going to change that that much more once Lance get his chance either. I think Kyle the HC/OC is not the same playcaller he was in the league as simply an OC who didn't have to worry about the rest of the team.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by boast:
most of the HMJHC are backtracking. it's pretty funny. a few months back, 5_G_R tried to bet me Jimmy would be sucking bad around this time of the season. he should be forced to change his screen name to 6_Geese_a_Laying since his previous takes are all laying eggs at this point of the season.

The only thing I recall saying long term to you is that he won't be on this team in the future and he'll be on some other team still being Jimmy, perhaps improving the aforementioned things related to experience and intelligence, and mechanics (improving accuracy), but unlikely improving things related to natural talent (such as intuitive peripheral vision — e.g., instinctual spatial awareness).

If anyone's changing their name, it should be you changing yours to dunce, because you don't seem capable of grasping the subtleties of a grade school level argument.
Lol disclaimer: just kidding.
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Let me clarify what I mean here:

You don't seem to understand what I've been saying to you for basically the entire year. And not just this topic. You CLEARLY whiffed on what my argument was on how the differing business models between news companies (related to the degree of homogeneity of their audience) affect their content — something so obviously true it is almost a tautology. And yet it went right over your head.

The same thing is clearly happening here, as you keep repeating an utterly BUTCHERED, Nathan-from-South Park version of what I said that's so embarrassingly childlike in its faulty oversimplification that it makes me wonder if a lack of nutrition as a child stunted your development.

My only question is, do you realize you are looking this sad, or are you suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect?


Ah ha ha ha see I'm lol just kidding lol haha ahah ahaha — see? Laughs, no personal attack here boss.

lol look at how mad you are because your asinine takes about Jimmy have been exposed. brain plasticity bro. brain plasticity!!!

Bro, you are only making yourself look like a fool over and over again (not that I'm saying you are a fool; only that it appears you enjoy making it appear so). Anyone on a 2nd grade reading level can see that I never argued that Jimmy could not get better — in fact I argued quite the opposite. I argued he could get better at several aspects of quarterbacking, and only one would be particularly difficult. He has shown no signs of improving the one area I said would be difficult to improve.

Are you a masochist? Honestly, I must know. It sure seems that way, as you keep deliberately making it appear as if you belong in South Park episode "Crippled Summer." Not that I'm saying you belong in that episode. Only that you seem to be enjoying making it appear so.

lol at your revisionism. everyone read your takes. even johnydel debunked your b******t brain plasticity nonsense.

keep backtracking my friend. its hilarious to watch.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Thank you.

That's pretty much the same all over the league. What you aren't showing is how many throws over 15 yards. Very few for Jimmy. I'm guessing most of the rest of Jimmy's throws are 10-12 yards based on charts I've seen. The other guys you show have way more throes and completions beyond 15 yards and even out to 40 yards.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I would rather have Jimmy throw 10 yards or less and let the receivers do the work instead of trying to make throws that he isn't good at. Players can only play within their limits. He can't run the option well since he's no threat to run so they don't do it. Same with the deep passes.

9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Thank you.

That's pretty much the same all over the league. What you aren't showing is how many throws over 15 yards. Very few for Jimmy. I'm guessing most of the rest of Jimmy's throws are 10-12 yards based on charts I've seen. The other guys you show have way more throes and completions beyond 15 yards and even out to 40 yards.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I would rather have Jimmy throw 10 yards or less and let the receivers do the work instead of trying to make throws that he isn't good at. Players can only play within their limits. He can't run the option well since he's no threat to run so they don't do it. Same with the deep passes.

9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

Okay, I admit 40 yards plus isn't common but you show passes 15 yards or more. Jimmy's numbers look okay until you look deeper and see he has very few in the or more category. He doesn't have many beyond that whether it's 20, 25 30 or 35 yards. Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies "A mans's got to know his limits".

Jimmy and Kyle know his limits.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He throws short. He throws short a lot. He likes throwing short. He's good at throwing short. That is why he throws short.

Genuine question. Does Garopollo throw short because he's good at it and likes to thro short? Or is it because that's a major part of the offensive plan/system that Kyle likes to employ?

From the outside looking in, it looks like we've drafted receivers and backs who are adept at YAC and therefore could excel in a short passing game. Is that a function of Kyle and Lynch fitting their scheme and playing personnel around Jimmy's strengths? Or is it because Jimmy is using the playbook that Kyle wants at this moment in time (probably 2017 to present day)?

There's obviously the scenario that it's somewhere in the middle. It's Shanahan's scheme and Garapollo's strengths that end up dictating the final outcome to varying degrees. The follow-on question to this is that with a QB with different strengths than Garoppolo do you think Kyle's playbook and play calling would change dramatically from what it's been over the last 2-3 years?

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

Thank you.

That's pretty much the same all over the league. What you aren't showing is how many throws over 15 yards. Very few for Jimmy. I'm guessing most of the rest of Jimmy's throws are 10-12 yards based on charts I've seen. The other guys you show have way more throes and completions beyond 15 yards and even out to 40 yards.

I guess I've gotten to the point where I would rather have Jimmy throw 10 yards or less and let the receivers do the work instead of trying to make throws that he isn't good at. Players can only play within their limits. He can't run the option well since he's no threat to run so they don't do it. Same with the deep passes.

9.4% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
5.4% of Mahome's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

8.4% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.9% of Herbert's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.5% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
6.8% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

9.4% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 15 yards or more.
7.1% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 15 yards or more.

Completions of over 40 yards in 2021:
Rodgers: 1 - 48 yards
Herbert: 1 - 47 yards
Jimmy: 1 - 46 yards
Mahomes: 0

How is this not 40 yards?

Something seems a little off about your stats tbh.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
...maybe a second rounder.

Just to clarify… you're laughing at someone because you think its obvious we'll receive something greater than a second round pick for Jimmy?

I think he means, we'll be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

The way he's playing now we should be able to get a late 1st easy.

Let's expand this discussion. What other teams have no qualms with staying away from outside passes the way we do? I think the announcers mentioned the success we have down the middle over and over in games is a little unique,...especially volume-wise.

What offenses out there do you think he'd command a 1st round pick by going there? Please name at least two, because, you know, supply and demand.

What you're missing here is the truth that inside passing game is more a system issue with Kyle than a limitation on Jimmy.

He's got suitors next year if he keeps up his play. Teams like NO, Car, Pittsburg, Miami, Hou, Den, Det, NYG, may all be looking for upgrades or replacements.

Never was prior to Jimmy arriving. Wasn't even like that in early 2017 IIRC.

The offense before Jimmy arrived using using the stats haters love to point against him you saw Hoyer finish the season at 24th in air yards to the sticks in 2017 and 23rd in intended air yards according to next gen, CJ 31st and 35th for the QB's that had an offseason and most of the regular season to learn the employ the system Kyle apparently wanted and created here as HC.

That 5 game stretch in 17' that Jimmy had in that season was more like playing on instinct and away from the structure of the Kyle Shanahan system employed here again as he's been a HC. I honestly don't think it's going to change that that much more once Lance get his chance either. I think Kyle the HC/OC is not the same playcaller he was in the league as simply an OC who didn't have to worry about the rest of the team.

His entire 13 year career points to this. And even more so now that he's not just an OC and has an entire team to focus on complementing. Well said.

Originally posted by Jookie:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
He throws short. He throws short a lot. He likes throwing short. He's good at throwing short. That is why he throws short.

Genuine question. Does Garopollo throw short because he's good at it and likes to thro short? Or is it because that's a major part of the offensive plan/system that Kyle likes to employ?

From the outside looking in, it looks like we've drafted receivers and backs who are adept at YAC and therefore could excel in a short passing game. Is that a function of Kyle and Lynch fitting their scheme and playing personnel around Jimmy's strengths? Or is it because Jimmy is using the playbook that Kyle wants at this moment in time (probably 2017 to present day)?

There's obviously the scenario that it's somewhere in the middle. It's Shanahan's scheme and Garapollo's strengths that end up dictating the final outcome to varying degrees. The follow-on question to this is that with a QB with different strengths than Garoppolo do you think Kyle's playbook and play calling would change dramatically from what it's been over the last 2-3 years?

For me, it's yes and yes.

Yes, Jimmy is good at the short to intermediate throws, and the WR's have been drafted to cater to those strengths. None of the WR's we have -- have the Tyreek 4.2 speed. They have good speed to get to the intermediate range, but beyond that, they need to have more speed if Kyle is going to go Vertical on a consistent basis (a la Air Coryell).

Yes, Trey is going to be - most likely - another Mahomes-like in the deep ball. He has good deep accuracy, specially on the move. Already ShanaLynch is drafting with Trey in mind. I think Sermon, Jaylon Moore, and Aaron Banks are more suited to a deeper version of Kyle's short passing game that is currently under Jimmy. Jaylon and Banks - as some of our more renowned member here have said (NC, <cough>) are much better pass protectors than our OLines prior. Sermon is a power runner, vs a speed back, and you need a power runner to power a vertical attack if you are going to consistently shoot for a deep ball.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
...maybe a second rounder.

Just to clarify… you're laughing at someone because you think its obvious we'll receive something greater than a second round pick for Jimmy?

I think he means, we'll be lucky to get a 2nd rounder.

The way he's playing now we should be able to get a late 1st easy.

Let's expand this discussion. What other teams have no qualms with staying away from outside passes the way we do? I think the announcers mentioned the success we have down the middle over and over in games is a little unique,...especially volume-wise.

What offenses out there do you think he'd command a 1st round pick by going there? Please name at least two, because, you know, supply and demand.

What you're missing here is the truth that inside passing game is more a system issue with Kyle than a limitation on Jimmy.

He's got suitors next year if he keeps up his play. Teams like NO, Car, Pittsburg, Miami, Hou, Den, Det, NYG, may all be looking for upgrades or replacements.

Never was prior to Jimmy arriving. Wasn't even like that in early 2017 IIRC.

The offense before Jimmy arrived using using the stats haters love to point against him you saw Hoyer finish the season at 24th in air yards to the sticks in 2017 and 23rd in intended air yards according to next gen, CJ 31st and 35th for the QB's that had an offseason and most of the regular season to learn the employ the system Kyle apparently wanted and created here as HC.

That 5 game stretch in 17' that Jimmy had in that season was more like playing on instinct and away from the structure of the Kyle Shanahan system employed here again as he's been a HC. I honestly don't think it's going to change that that much more once Lance get his chance either. I think Kyle the HC/OC is not the same playcaller he was in the league as simply an OC who didn't have to worry about the rest of the team.

His entire 13 year career points to this. And even more so now that he's not just an OC and has an entire team to focus on complementing. Well said.

Agree. I think he wants a top 10 defense. Which means putting a lot of draft capital on defense, specifically the Defensive line. So with those picks gone, he's left with 2nd through 4th rounds to assemble his offense. Like you said, unless he's using first round picks on guys like Ruggs/Tyreek Hill 2.0 - he's left with 2nd round talent that usually don't have the home run speed to verticalize a passing offense.

Jimmy Jesus aka Prince Aladdin aka Great Garoppolo aka Jimmy GQ

Vikings are about to find out

Originally posted by Waterbear:


How is this not 40 yards?

Something seems a little off about your stats tbh.

Well f**k. I'm going to be really mad if I did all of this work with bad info. I got the numbers from https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com.

Edit: Turns out the chart reset on me and was excluding some weeks. I'll have to recalculate.

Originally posted by a49erfan77:
For the 'Jimmy only throws short passes' crowd:

37% of Mahome's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
44% of Mahome's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

31% of Herbert's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
36% of Herbert's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

36% of Rodgers' attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
42% of Rodgers' completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

22% of Garoppolo's attempts this season have been 5 yards or less.
25% of Garoppolo's completions this season have been 5 yards or less.

you take what the defense give you

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
you take what the defense give you

Also you PLAY to WIN the GAME

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by boast:
most of the HMJHC are backtracking. it's pretty funny. a few months back, 5_G_R tried to bet me Jimmy would be sucking bad around this time of the season. he should be forced to change his screen name to 6_Geese_a_Laying since his previous takes are all laying eggs at this point of the season.

The only thing I recall saying long term to you is that he won't be on this team in the future and he'll be on some other team still being Jimmy, perhaps improving the aforementioned things related to experience and intelligence, and mechanics (improving accuracy), but unlikely improving things related to natural talent (such as intuitive peripheral vision — e.g., instinctual spatial awareness).

If anyone's changing their name, it should be you changing yours to dunce, because you don't seem capable of grasping the subtleties of a grade school level argument.
Lol disclaimer: just kidding.
…

Let me clarify what I mean here:

You don't seem to understand what I've been saying to you for basically the entire year. And not just this topic. You CLEARLY whiffed on what my argument was on how the differing business models between news companies (related to the degree of homogeneity of their audience) affect their content — something so obviously true it is almost a tautology. And yet it went right over your head.

The same thing is clearly happening here, as you keep repeating an utterly BUTCHERED, Nathan-from-South Park version of what I said that's so embarrassingly childlike in its faulty oversimplification that it makes me wonder if a lack of nutrition as a child stunted your development.

My only question is, do you realize you are looking this sad, or are you suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect?


Ah ha ha ha see I'm lol just kidding lol haha ahah ahaha — see? Laughs, no personal attack here boss.

lol look at how mad you are because your asinine takes about Jimmy have been exposed. brain plasticity bro. brain plasticity!!!

Bro, you are only making yourself look like a fool over and over again (not that I'm saying you are a fool; only that it appears you enjoy making it appear so). Anyone on a 2nd grade reading level can see that I never argued that Jimmy could not get better — in fact I argued quite the opposite. I argued he could get better at several aspects of quarterbacking, and only one would be particularly difficult. He has shown no signs of improving the one area I said would be difficult to improve.

Are you a masochist? Honestly, I must know. It sure seems that way, as you keep deliberately making it appear as if you belong in South Park episode "Crippled Summer." Not that I'm saying you belong in that episode. Only that you seem to be enjoying making it appear so.

even johnydel debunked your b******t brain plasticity nonsense.

what did he debunk? where/when did this take place

Originally posted by a49erfan77:

Originally posted by Waterbear:


How is this not 40 yards?

Something seems a little off about your stats tbh.

Well f**k. I'm going to be really mad if I did all of this work with bad info. I got the numbers from https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com.

Edit: Turns out the chart reset on me and was excluding some weeks. I'll have to recalculate.

Cool! I just found out also this week that Pro Football Reference doesn't update their stats until after monday, or so it seems.