Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
I'd say Tom and Jimmy have about as close of a relationship as Rodgers and Favre or Young and Montana. I'm sure some people can figure it out. If you choose to not narrow it down to a best guess scenario that's on you. To me it's pretty obvious

Maybe they do maybe they don't. Assuming one knows the relationship with certainty is kinda silly because one doesn't actually know.

What we do know is both have said they have a good relationship and friendship with each other. Both have alluded to beings friends and still keeping in touch. Let's not forget Tom texted Jim before the SB to wish him luck and told him to go win.

And WRT to Tom forcing JG out, yes that was one rumor. Another rumor was that Kraft forced the trade on Bill. Nobody here truly knows where the truth lays in that situation and why JG was forced out.

The only thing I am certain about is that anyone who is certain they know why JG was forced out or if those comments were directed at JG is certainly guessing.

Certainly. It's called an educated guess. That's when one takes all the information that has been presented and forms an opinion or best guess. You choose not to take a stance. Only to say it could be any one of a group of QBs which you selected. How about if you had to guess, which QB do you think Brady was taking about?

I never said I was certain. What I feel is pretty obvious, as well as my best guess, is just that. It's not hard to conclude that these guys will say what's PC when asked about their feelings about one another. Taking it a step further and reading between the lines one could conclude that they are full of s**t. It's as if you are playing devils advocate when the answer is slapping you in the face. Maybe that's why you're evil.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
They are Not invested in Jimmy this year. They save about $25m if they were to cut him. You are invested in Jimmy this year.

If you tell someone you need them to take less for the team to be able to fit you under the cap, that does not imply it's not open to negotiation. It does imply that if you can't reach agreement, you will part ways.

No that's not what I'm saying. I've tried to word it and phrase it as best as possible for you. I'm also not a big Jimmy fan at all. I was all in on getting a new QB this year. At the same time I don't think he's trash and I feel like he can win games when healthy. He's still not the guy I want regardless.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
They'd actually be giving him the option. He takes a pay cut and is free next year or stays at the full salary and gets traded wherever they see fit. Either way the Niners still have the upper hand and there's no damage done to their credibility or ethics. The ball would be in Jimmy's court. That's about as straight as they could shoot it. At the same time the cutting him this year option is not an option. They're already invested in Jimmy and Trey this year no matter how you slice it.

Yeah I don't think that's true at all. Cutting him is always an option, why do you think the deal was structured that way to begin with.

They're not going to weaken the QB room and cut Jimmy outright, THIS year. It seems that you are stuck thinking that is plausible. The scenario originally presented is a scenario that affects NEXT year. If you don't agree with that then we must agree to disagree otherwise our arguments are going nowhere.

No, it affects This year. You are asking him to essentially take half his pay. If I'm Jimmy, I say No, and run and give Bill Belichick a big hug. He may still make similar money, but he only has to beat out a used up Cam Newton to start, and he has a head coach that believes in him, which Kyle does not at this point.

How can you deny Jimmy being cut is not "plausible", when he clearly does not have that guarantee in his contract? Get real.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Don't confuse me with the other poster you were arguing with. I'm not stuck thinking anything, just disagree with you saying that cutting him is not an option, it most definitely is. The damn contract was written that way for EXACTLY that reason, to have minimal consequences for cutting him this year or next. Will they? That's another topic, but the option being there is not debatable.

Yeah but that time has passed for this year. He's not getting cut now. Sure it's an option but it would have been done before this point. They don't need the cap room this year! They need the QB with experience weather he's the starter or not. They will not roll with Trey and a bunch of scrubs. Not after all the injuries this team has sustained. They want both QBs!

Edit: You're the only one I've been going back and forth with. I'm not confused. I just started with Evil. You and I have been going for a bit longer. Trust me I'm keeping track.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
No, it affects This year. You are asking him to essentially take half his pay. If I'm Jimmy, I say No, and run and give Bill Belichick a big hug. He may still make similar money, but he only has to beat out a used up Cam Newton to start, and he has a head coach that believes in him, which Kyle does not at this point.

How can you deny Jimmy being cut is not "plausible", when he clearly does not have that guarantee in his contract? Get real.

The pay cut is for a cap rollover for next year. The Patriots also drafted a QB in the first round. You're grasping at straws just because it is possible to cut him this year. The thing is it would be stupid. The Niners aren't stupid. Just because they can doesn't mean they will. Get real!

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Don't confuse me with the other poster you were arguing with. I'm not stuck thinking anything, just disagree with you saying that cutting him is not an option, it most definitely is. The damn contract was written that way for EXACTLY that reason, to have minimal consequences for cutting him this year or next. Will they? That's another topic, but the option being there is not debatable.

Yeah but that time has passed for this year. He's not getting cut now. Sure it's an option but it would have been done before this point. They don't need the cap room this year! They need the QB with experience weather he's the starter or not. They will not roll with Trey and a bunch of scrubs. Not after all the injuries this team has sustained. They want both QBs!

Edit: You're the only one I've been going back and forth with. I'm not confused. I just started with Evil. You and I have been going for a bit longer. Trust me I'm keeping track.

That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

That's because they don't want to cut him. Just like they have told us. It doesn't mean I believe everything they say.

Why you so stuck on Jimmy to the Pats btw?

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

That's because they don't want to cut him. Just like they have told us. It doesn't mean I believe everything they say.

Why you so stuck on Jimmy to the Pats btw?

Because it was reported that Belichick opened talks with the Niners over it and were frustated that the Niners put him off and wouldn't make a decision. The two parties have a history. See my previous post why we might do that. And the Pats are just an example. Where I'm coming from is that no sane team pays $25m for a back up, and that Kyle does not trust Jimmy. That's Just My Opinion. You may disagree. The distraction is that they can't trade him, they can't cut him, it's not plausible, and that if there were any chance of it happening, it would necessarily have happened by now, and that if you tell a player they are going to need to take a pay reduction to fit under the team's cap, that is unethical and amounts to punking them, which are all factually (not opinion) false.

Jimmy having a strong command of this offense and coming through on third down in 2019 was a MAJOR reason why we won as much as we did. He wasn't special that year but he was damn good at some stats that get overlooked. converting third downs is one of the most important aspects of a successful team. It keeps your team on the field, wears out the opposing defense, keeps the other team off the field, and keeps our defense rested.

Jimmy isn't a bad quarterback at all. He just can't stay healthy. If he could stay healthy - he is pretty easily a top 10 QB (higher end of those 10). He isn't flashy like Rodgers but he is well liked in the locker room, keeps the team on the field, outside of the superbowl and week 1 2020 - he has been clutch.

We don't have to put him down to pick up Trey Lance. Jimmy belongs in this league as a starter - he just needs to avoid injury.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

No, its a comment a HOF QB would make about a team like the Bears who decided to stick with a crappy QB over him. Tom and Jimmy still keep in contact, and Jimmy was just coming off a great year, and going to the SB. The 49ers wanting to stick with the younger guy coming off a SB is totally understandable, especially after Brady's crappy 2019.

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

That's because they don't want to cut him. Just like they have told us. It doesn't mean I believe everything they say.

Why you so stuck on Jimmy to the Pats btw?

It's Jimmy's team still.. no cuts no trades

i love me some jimmy!!

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Eli_23:
Tom Brady called him a motherf**ker lolz

Just updated myself on his latest comments,...lol. Certainly shots fired our way.

Those comments also make sense for any of the other teams who had interest in Brady :

Tennessee (Tannehill)
LA Chargers (Tyrod Taylor)
Chicago (Mitch Trubisky)
Las Vegas (Derek Carr)

The only one Brady actually knows and would make a comment like that would be Jimmy though. That's the kind of comment someone makes when they know the guy. IMO

We're his childhood team, et. al. All adds up to me.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

That's because they don't want to cut him. Just like they have told us. It doesn't mean I believe everything they say.

Why you so stuck on Jimmy to the Pats btw?

Because it was reported that Belichick opened talks with the Niners over it and were frustated that the Niners put him off and wouldn't make a decision. The two parties have a history. See my previous post why we might do that. And the Pats are just an example. Where I'm coming from is that no sane team pays $25m for a back up, and that Kyle does not trust Jimmy. That's Just My Opinion. You may disagree. The distraction is that they can't trade him, they can't cut him, it's not plausible, and that if there were any chance of it happening, it would necessarily have happened by now, and that if you tell a player they are going to need to take a pay reduction to fit under the team's cap, that is unethical and amounts to punking them, which are all factually (not opinion) false.

Patriots don't need Jimmy now that they have Mac.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Originally posted by BOI49er:
That is your opinion, but why cut him when his cap this year is not guaranteed until he shows up on the roster for the week one game, and there are three months for injuries and situations to evolve with 31 other teams (like Cam is crap)? Also, the team will have a better feel for their confidence level with Lance by late camp and after pre season games. It would not have been done before this.

That's because they don't want to cut him. Just like they have told us. It doesn't mean I believe everything they say.

Why you so stuck on Jimmy to the Pats btw?

Because it was reported that Belichick opened talks with the Niners over it and were frustated that the Niners put him off and wouldn't make a decision. The two parties have a history. See my previous post why we might do that. And the Pats are just an example. Where I'm coming from is that no sane team pays $25m for a back up, and that Kyle does not trust Jimmy. That's Just My Opinion. You may disagree. The distraction is that they can't trade him, they can't cut him, it's not plausible, and that if there were any chance of it happening, it would necessarily have happened by now, and that if you tell a player they are going to need to take a pay reduction to fit under the team's cap, that is unethical and amounts to punking them, which are all factually (not opinion) false.

Your arguments are out dated. There's no cap issues for them this year. That's all been solved. They've talked to ownership about keeping both QBs. They went into the off-season trying to strengthen the QB room. Not just the starter but the room. They're not going to cut Jimmy because he's most likely going to get first crack at starting games this year. Time is on their side with Trey and there's no rush, even if your opinion is Jimmy is trash and Trey is ready.

Jimmy isn't going to the Pats. They have Mac Jones. Jimmy wants to compete and to start. He's not going to start over Jones (at least not for the next few years). If you don't agree with my opinions that's fine. I don't agree with you either. Therefore we're at a stalemate just like I said about 5 of my posts ago to you. So what if they CAN do the stupid things that you suggest. They're not going to because they're not stupid. If they start doing the things you suggest they would be a dumpster fire.

Doubt he was talking about him. They have a cordial relationship, and despite what others might say, Jimmy isn't some trash QB, which is what it sounds like Brady is talking about,