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Jun 21, 2021 at 12:49 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).

SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod


Considering that they don't really need the extra money to stay under the cap this year, I'd rather have Jimmy at $25m. That allows them to trade and get something in return. Your trade comp is probably his value right now but if he plays well and has a healthy season that trade value could go all the way up to maybe a second round pick. If healthy there's no reason why his value won't rise. Let's say they make a deep playoff run/ SB appearance under Jimmy's watch. His value would have to be higher than a day 3 pick. 2 SB appearances in 3 years. There's value in that.

Edit: If Trey wins the starting job, which I didn't realize was the premises behind your post, I guess the scenario that was suggested isn't a terrible idea. There will be no value gained by Jimmy if he's on the bench. At that point a pay cut would make sense in exchange for a release rather than a trade. I guess it just comes down to if Jimmy is going to start and hopefully build value or sit and gain nothing.
[ Edited by Howlett49 on Jun 21, 2021 at 12:54 PM ]
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Jun 21, 2021 at 12:50 PM
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
He was probably referring to the Titans or Chargers.

maybe...I was thinking Chicago. I don't remember the teams that he was interested in.

edit: here are some of the teams that were rumored to be interested (not sure if Tommy was interested in going to those teams though)

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tom-brady-recalls-team-passing-on-him-during-free-agency-youre-sticking-with-that-expletive
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jun 21, 2021 at 12:54 PM ]
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:00 PM
Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).

SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod


Considering that they don't really need the extra money to stay under the cap this year, I'd rather have Jimmy at $25m. That allows them to trade and get something in return. Your trade comp is probably his value right now but if he plays well and has a healthy season that trade value could go all the way up to maybe a second round pick. If healthy there's no reason why his value won't rise. Let's say they make a deep playoff run/ SB appearance under Jimmy's watch. His value would have to be higher than a day 3 pick. 2 SB appearances in 3 years. There's value in that.

Edit: If Trey wins the starting job, which I didn't realize was the premises behind your post, I guess the scenario that was suggested isn't a terrible idea. There will be no value gained by Jimmy if he's on the bench. At that point a pay cut would make sense in exchange for a release rather than a trade. I guess it just comes down to if Jimmy is going to start and hopefully build value or sit and gain nothing.

That's fair...if you've seen AB breakdown our cap, they don't really have $17M though.

You could also say if Jimmy get's hurt (which wouldn't be out of the question) his trade value is basically nothing. I'm fine either way...but if Trey comes out of TC looking like he doesn't need a year to hold the clip board, then I wouldn't be shocked if that becomes a possibility (Jimmy taking a pay cut) even if he's still the day 1 starter. Remember they can roll over that cash just as well.

Worth talking about, when a bunch of nothing is going on lol.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:01 PM
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Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).

SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod


Considering that they don't really need the extra money to stay under the cap this year, I'd rather have Jimmy at $25m. That allows them to trade and get something in return. Your trade comp is probably his value right now but if he plays well and has a healthy season that trade value could go all the way up to maybe a second round pick. If healthy there's no reason why his value won't rise. Let's say they make a deep playoff run/ SB appearance under Jimmy's watch. His value would have to be higher than a day 3 pick. 2 SB appearances in 3 years. There's value in that.

I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:03 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
matt maiocco on his latest podcast was talking about QB potential scenarios and he said one that makes sense is Jimmy possibly taken a pay cut before the season starts.

If Trey comes into TC and looks good, SF might ask Jimmy to take a pay cut. MM can't envision SF paying Jimmy $25M to hold the clip board at some point this yr...Asking Jimmy to take something like $12M, be the backup/week 1 starter, and letting him become a FA next yr might be a fair thing for both sides.

I mean if Trey is looking legit, they could just release Jimmy and he wouldn't get anything remotely close to $12M at this point...every team has it's starter and backup, plus there's just no cash to be had.

Jimmy still get's a legit shot to be the day 1 starter on a team he knows...there's opportunity for him to play well and earn more cash in 2021 (because he's not gonna be on this team regardless after this yr).
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SF loses out on the possibly to trade him, but the cash might be just as important. TC will be very interesting that's for sure.

Would you rather have that extra $15M in cap space or say a day 3 pick in a trade (I'm being realistic on the trade comp)?

Here's the pod


If Jimmy spends the year on the bench, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. If he plays and gets hurt again, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. Shanahan Will Not start him for long, because he doesn't trust him, so IMO, the thought he balls all season and earns high trade value just won't happen.

Therefore, the only opportunity we have to recoup a high pick is before the season starts or early in the season after a starter goes down. What we need is a cheaper competent backup, and that can be had. All quarterbacks look better under Kyle. I think we can eat our cake and have it too with a high draft pick and saved cap space. We just have to realize Garoppolo is not the answer, and I believe the FO does.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:11 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.

The Niners are in more of a cap crunch for 2022 than this year. The extra cash rollover like NY alluded to would be nice. I don't think the cap is going up as much as some would think. Either scenario seems to make sense for various reasons. I'm starting to lean towards the cutting him for nothing and letting him be a free agent scenario. Any extra cash rollover is going to be huge for next year. Also to consider, is that if the cap isn't going up much a lot of teams are going to have a hard time staying under as well. How could they trade for a $25m QB if they don't have the cap flexibility next season? That will limit trade partners for the Niners which in return will limit Jimmy's value. Kind of like how Julio could only go to a few teams and Atlanta didn't get as much as they should in return.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:12 PM
Originally posted by thl408:
I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.

Right we're right around $50M in 2022 (not knowing rollover) once Jimmy and Ford are off the books (Ford cut pre-June 1st) and not including Warner's deal... That extra $15M could go a long way in signing players in 2022 IMO.

I'm all about trading Jimmy but I just don't know what his real worth will be end of the day...I can't realistically say we can get more than a 3rd for him.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:14 PM
Originally posted by BOI49er:
If Jimmy spends the year on the bench, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. If he plays and gets hurt again, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. Shanahan Will Not start him for long, because he doesn't trust him, so IMO, the thought he balls all season and earns high trade value just won't happen.

Therefore, the only opportunity we have to recoup a high pick is before the season starts or early in the season after a starter goes down. What we need is a cheaper competent backup, and that can be had. All quarterbacks look better under Kyle. I think we can eat our cake and have it too with a high draft pick and saved cap space. We just have to realize Garoppolo is not the answer, and I believe the FO does.

So what are you saying they should do? This would be something that would have to take place before the season starts.

I don't see a team trading a high pick for Jimmy before the season starts unless there's a massive injury to a guy. There's like two teams that can fit his contract under their cap (Jags/NJ) and that's not happening, plus he still has a no trade clause this season.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:24 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jimmy G:



(FWIW I don't think he's referring to Jimmy, just think it's funny regardless )

itd be strange considering brady was coming off a not so good season in which tennessee beat them at home in the playoffs, and jimmy had just taken the niners to a sb.
[ Edited by DonnieDarko on Jun 21, 2021 at 1:25 PM ]
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:27 PM
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Originally posted by Howlett49:
Originally posted by thl408:
I think I'd rather gamble and hope Jimmy plays well enough to fetch a day 2 pick after 2021. Any extra cash for 2022 will be nice, but with the cap projected to go up for 2022 and the only 'must have' free agent being Warner, I think SF should have enough to extend Warner. The other important free agents after 2021 are Verrett and KWaun Williams. Both over 30 CBs that I'd feel uneasy about giving multiyear deals to. With no day 1 picks, another day 2 pick would help - although there's no guarantee Jimmy nets a day 2 pick, whereas cutting his pay is an immediate gain.

The Niners are in more of a cap crunch for 2022 than this year. The extra cash rollover like NY alluded to would be nice. I don't think the cap is going up as much as some would think. Either scenario seems to make sense for various reasons. I'm starting to lean towards the cutting him for nothing and letting him be a free agent scenario. Any extra cash rollover is going to be huge for next year. Also to consider, is that if the cap isn't going up much a lot of teams are going to have a hard time staying under as well. How could they trade for a $25m QB if they don't have the cap flexibility next season? That will limit trade partners for the Niners which in return will limit Jimmy's value. Kind of like how Julio could only go to a few teams and Atlanta didn't get as much as they should in return.

True. I had forgotten that the cap hits to Kittle, big Trent, and AA jump up next season. So any increase in the cap ceiling could be eaten up by the cap hit increases of those three players.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:37 PM
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
If Jimmy spends the year on the bench, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. If he plays and gets hurt again, he won't fetch more than a day three pick. Shanahan Will Not start him for long, because he doesn't trust him, so IMO, the thought he balls all season and earns high trade value just won't happen.

Therefore, the only opportunity we have to recoup a high pick is before the season starts or early in the season after a starter goes down. What we need is a cheaper competent backup, and that can be had. All quarterbacks look better under Kyle. I think we can eat our cake and have it too with a high draft pick and saved cap space. We just have to realize Garoppolo is not the answer, and I believe the FO does.

So what are you saying they should do? This would be something that would have to take place before the season starts.

I don't see a team trading a high pick for Jimmy before the season starts unless there's a massive injury to a guy. There's like two teams that can fit his contract under their cap (Jags/NJ) and that's not happening, plus he still has a no trade clause this season.

I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.
Jun 21, 2021 at 1:53 PM
Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yep just cut Jimmy and start a rookie with Rosen or Sudfeld backing him up because it's more important to have cap space than a legitimate proven backup QB behind a rookie, it was proven last season after Jimmy went down the offense didn't miss a single beat with Mullens and Beathard. Makes sense
Jun 21, 2021 at 2:02 PM
Originally posted by a49erfan77:
Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jimmy G:



(FWIW I don't think he's referring to Jimmy, just think it's funny regardless )

He was probably referring to the Titans or Chargers.

Chelsea Handler inside the barbershop? Come on man.
Jun 21, 2021 at 2:09 PM
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Originally posted by BOI49er:
I agree. My preference would be to keep Jimmy until just before the week one roster is set in case there is an injury out there. People will restructure to make room for a quarterback, and Jimmy would have to approve any job where he keeps his $25m and starts, because he can't get that otherwise. Putting him on the roster for week one guarantees his contract, and I would not do that. Maybe a desperate team would still pick up his contract, but then they wouldn't want to pay us draft capital too, and all of that is unlikely, so we might as well just cut him before the season.

Bottom line, if nothing better materializes before the season, just cut him. It's a cap league, and it can be moved from year to year, so imo, all talk of not "needing" it this year or next is insane. If he's not our intended starter for the season, and he's not, just move on.

Yep just cut Jimmy and start a rookie with Rosen or Sudfeld backing him up because it's more important to have cap space than a legitimate proven backup QB behind a rookie, it was proven last season after Jimmy went down the offense didn't miss a single beat with Mullens and Beathard. Makes sense

I mean I don't think we should straight up cut him…that doesn't make much sense.

if Trey is crushing it in TC, I wouldn't be surprised if SF asked Jimmy to take a pay cut. No one is gonna pay him $12-14M this yr at that point, plus he could be a FA next yr instead of just getting traded wherever. FWIW I don't think Mullens/CJ are in the same class as Lance.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Jun 21, 2021 at 3:48 PM ]
Jun 21, 2021 at 2:10 PM
Originally posted by sacniner:
Chelsea Handler inside the barbershop? Come on man.

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