Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by RonMexico:
I dunno, I kinda blame Jimmy and not myself

Don't worry i blame you 100%

So if we roll with Jimmy G this year, and he gets injured, are we in another Dee Ford situation where we would not be able to cut or trade him next year, or is his contract different and we could move on even if he was injured?

I originally was hoping the QB we draft in April (Z.W I hope) would sit and learn for a year because we are set to contend this year, but if we are possibly going to be stuck paying an injured Jimmy G next year, which costs us 1 of the 4 cheap rookie QB seasons, then I hope we trade him now and get a vet QB in on a one year deal.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:
You must have forgotten the game losing red zone third down failures in the first and third quarter. In both cases WRs were wide open past the sticks and Jimmy didn't see them, throwing to a covered guy and failing to convert. On one of those, he started the play STARRING at the guy who would be wide open a second later (Kittle), and threw to a RB short of the sticks who was covered — indicated he decided where he was throwing pre-snap regardless of post-snap coverage.

Those two crucial third downs cost us 8 points in a game where we were up by ten midway through the third. Turn that 10 point lead into an 18 point lead with 7 minutes left and I promise you things are different.

But they weren't. Because Jimmy doesn't get the ball to the open guy. Not unless his first read or his predetermined throw is the open guy.

I have been arguing for years (not just with Jimmy), that some quarterbacks mistakes are NOT the Jay Cutler-esque mistakes where he throws a pick 6 and cost the team the game that way. Some mistakes are made when a defense gives you a drive changing/game changing play and the quarterback goes elsewhere.

Like you illustrated in your post, there were several big misses by Jimmy prior to the 4th quarter that would have been huge plays if he made them. But the fact that Jimmy completed a pass elsewhere makes a lot of people believe a mistake wasn't made.

I dont know how many times I had to read people say "yeah but 18 for 22!!" Some of those 18 completions were mistakes. Mistakes that were reasons we didn't win.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Are you seriously saying that there is a possibility that the QB Kyle picks isn't as good as Mahomes or Rodgers & could actually be a bust???

Theoretically for this draft, the highest rated qb's will be going off the board one & two...Kyle picking 3rd.... hell, better odds playing in Vegas then nailing a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers...

Yeah but damnit we wanna win, so we're gonna try. Just as I've suggested to you for a year and a half now.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Internally there was a lot of sentiment Jimmy G cost the Niners that Super Bowl.

Now set to move on.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 26, 2021

That would be quite hypocrite to be honest. He had a bad fourth quarter but between the refs and Shanahan deciding to stop the running game for whatever reasons, at some point you have to look in the mirror also.

You must have forgotten the game losing red zone third down failures in the first and third quarter. In both cases WRs were wide open past the sticks and Jimmy didn't see them, throwing to a covered guy and failing to convert. On one of those, he started the play STARRING at the guy who would be wide open a second later (Kittle), and threw to a RB short of the sticks who was covered — indicated he decided where he was throwing pre-snap regardless of post-snap coverage.

Those two crucial third downs cost us 8 points in a game where we were up by ten midway through the third. Turn that 10 point lead into an 18 point lead with 7 minutes left and I promise you things are different.

But they weren't. Because Jimmy doesn't get the ball to the open guy. Not unless his first read or his predetermined throw is the open guy.

We know very well your position on Garoppolo.
So here´s the thing, if the refs called the holdings on Bosa as they should, regardless of Garoppolo´s performance, the niners win.
If Shanahan didn´t stop the running game inexplicably, they win. And by the way that´s the first thing Steve Young talked about after the game, why did they stop the run. Even Mathieu trolled us about that.
I´m not saying Garoppolo is not guilty in the loss. I´m just saying putting all the last 8 minutes collapse on his shoulders is hypocrite because a lot of people didn´t do their jobs well at that time.
And I know the rhetoric about Kyle´s genius and Kittle wide open, the thing is, he was too cute that day in the fourth quarter I´m sorry. And I love Kyle and hope is the coach the longest time possible. But if he or others guys in the FO think that the Miami failure is all because of Jimmy, sorry they´re hypocrites.
That doesn´t mean they don´t have to change the QB. They have to obviously.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Giedi:
One thing about first round QB's is the bust rate. As much as I think Mac, Trey, or Justin will I think be fantastic QB's for us, there is that chance they end up being another Josh Rosen or Alex Smith. I think with Jimmy being there to start while the rookie QB will learn from the bench, that makes it a higher chance that the rookie will succeed. With his HC as the offensive coordinator, you know the offense he has to learn won't be changing every year like in Alex's tenure with Mike Nolan.

Are you seriously saying that there is a possibility that the QB Kyle picks isn't as good as Mahomes or Rodgers & could actually be a bust???

Theoretically for this draft, the highest rated qb's will be going off the board one & two...Kyle picking 3rd.... hell, better odds playing in Vegas then nailing a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers...

So if you have a draft with Bosa, Chase Young, and Watt, does it matter if one of them is the best player in the class or not?

People need to understand that this is the most loaded QB class we've probably ever seen. Just because we are picking the 2nd or 3rd QB doesn't mean he cant also be great.

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Internally there was a lot of sentiment Jimmy G cost the Niners that Super Bowl.

Now set to move on.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 26, 2021

That would be quite hypocrite to be honest. He had a bad fourth quarter but between the refs and Shanahan deciding to stop the running game for whatever reasons, at some point you have to look in the mirror also.

You must have forgotten the game losing red zone third down failures in the first and third quarter. In both cases WRs were wide open past the sticks and Jimmy didn't see them, throwing to a covered guy and failing to convert. On one of those, he started the play STARRING at the guy who would be wide open a second later (Kittle), and threw to a RB short of the sticks who was covered — indicated he decided where he was throwing pre-snap regardless of post-snap coverage.

Those two crucial third downs cost us 8 points in a game where we were up by ten midway through the third. Turn that 10 point lead into an 18 point lead with 7 minutes left and I promise you things are different.

But they weren't. Because Jimmy doesn't get the ball to the open guy. Not unless his first read or his predetermined throw is the open guy.

We know very well your position on Garoppolo.
So here´s the thing, if the refs called the holdings on Bosa as they should, regardless of Garoppolo´s performance, the niners win.
If Shanahan didn´t stop the running game inexplicably, they win. And by the way that´s the first thing Steve Young talked about after the game, why did they stop the run. Even Mathieu trolled us about that.
I´m not saying Garoppolo is not guilty in the loss. I´m just saying putting all the last 8 minutes collapse on his shoulders is hypocrite because a lot of people didn´t do their jobs well at that time.
And I know the rhetoric about Kyle´s genius and Kittle wide open, the thing is, he was too cute that day in the fourth quarter I´m sorry. And I love Kyle and hope is the coach the longest time possible. But if he or others guys in the FO think that the Miami failure is all because of Jimmy, sorry they´re hypocrites.
That doesn´t mean they don´t have to change the QB. They have to obviously.

He wouldn't have had any urge to be "too cute" in the 4th quarter if he had a quarterback capable of throwing to the wide open guy.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by Giedi:
One thing about first round QB's is the bust rate. As much as I think Mac, Trey, or Justin will I think be fantastic QB's for us, there is that chance they end up being another Josh Rosen or Alex Smith. I think with Jimmy being there to start while the rookie QB will learn from the bench, that makes it a higher chance that the rookie will succeed. With his HC as the offensive coordinator, you know the offense he has to learn won't be changing every year like in Alex's tenure with Mike Nolan.

Are you seriously saying that there is a possibility that the QB Kyle picks isn't as good as Mahomes or Rodgers & could actually be a bust???

Theoretically for this draft, the highest rated qb's will be going off the board one & two...Kyle picking 3rd.... hell, better odds playing in Vegas then nailing a Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers...

Yeah I am. There is always a chance of mistakes. Bill made them, so can Kyle. As fans we just hope for the best.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yeah I am. There is always a chance of mistakes. Bill made them, so can Kyle. As fans we just hope for the best.

Yes. It really goes without saying. Your top pick can be hurt in training camp and never be the same. With that being a given,..let's now talk about real life.

Real life is they were so unsure of Jimmy as their future QB that they risked it all yesterday. Jimmy may go on to be a HOFer,...who knows. But that's not the point.

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by random49er:
Any response for why they had us @ #14 @ 2019 season's end, then, and talked about possible improvement? Quite naturally to many of you, when Jimmy has a good game the OLine is okay,...but when he looks confused and flustered and plays bad, the OLine becomes a group of HS level blockers.

Total QB Hits Allowed In 2020:

GB: 50
ARI: 53
CLE, IND: 58
LV: 60
BAL: 61
PIT: 69
NO: 72
BUF: 77
CAR: 78
LAR: 79
NE: 81
MIA: 82
TEN: 83
KC: 85
JAX, TB: 89
DET: 95
CHI: 99
DAL: 101
DEN: 103
HOU: 104
NYJ: 107
LAC: 110
ATL: 111
WAS: 114
NYG, SEA: 117
CIN, MIN: 121
SF: 122
PHI: 150

— Johnny Kinsley (Andrew Berry Hive CEO) (@Brickwallblitz) January 4, 2021

Clearly Jimmy is the problem and Pat Mahomes had a worse offensive line in the super bowl than Jimmy G at any point of his career in SF. #ReplaceJimmy

Yes. Replace him,...but give the young guy some time.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Jimmy G is exactly who Shanahan wanted over all other options (Mahomes, Watson, Cousins).

Wilson, Fields, Jones?

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Internally there was a lot of sentiment Jimmy G cost the Niners that Super Bowl.

Now set to move on.

— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) March 26, 2021

That would be quite hypocrite to be honest. He had a bad fourth quarter but between the refs and Shanahan deciding to stop the running game for whatever reasons, at some point you have to look in the mirror also.

It's absolute BS, do you think if that was the case they'd have passed on Tom Brady?!

They are probably just fed up of having seasons derailed through injury, and saw an opportunity to get better and healthier.

I wonder if Jimmy is going to campaign for a trade to NE or Chicago.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Jimmy G is exactly who Shanahan wanted over all other options (Mahomes, Watson, Cousins).

Wilson, Fields, Jones?

This is ideal, not a desperation move to an old loser QB like Stafford or Cousins but a chance for Kyle to pick a FQB in the draft.

The chiefs sold out against the run in the second half of the super bowl and garoppolo couldn't make anything happen. He missed a lot of opportunities