Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I agree Jimmy is running/executing the offense that Kyle designed for him (key word). My debate has been is the offense that Kyle envisioned and wanted all along? Or is he doing what any great coach does and form an offense around what his QB does well? IMO it's the latter of the two. Same thing with Alex Smith in KC vs Mahomes.

Kyle has always valued explosive plays. He had no problem dialing up vertical pass plays with Matt Ryan or Kirk/RG3. The backbone of his offense is and will always be the OZ and using a ton of play-action, regardless.

Bringing up air yards vs YAC isn't lazy at all...what's wrong with wanting a more complete passing game? What's wrong with having a QB that can be a legitimate vertical passing threat as well as an accurate QB on short/intermediate throws? I'm not speaking for anyone else, but it has nothing to do with "entertainment" for me regarding my QB being able to throw deeper than 20 yards lol. It has everything to do with allowing Kyle to USE his whole playbook. It has everything to do with being a complete passing team. Being able to throw it well vertically helps the team as a whole (including the running game). I have no idea why people don't want that or think they have to defend Jimmy over it

We know what Jimmy does well...short/intermediate passes and gets the ball out quickly. Not a shocker that 90% of his pass plays are exactly that. We know overall Jimmy has struggled throwing the ball vertically and we don't see many of those pass plays being attempted. I think it's fair to assume if Kyle had a QB that was better at that, we'd be dialing up those plays more, no?

At some point you're gonna need your QB to be able to make those vertical passes to win the game (SB/week 1 vs AZ come to mind). I've stated I don't care how we win as long as we get the W. I'm also not gonna make Jimmy out to be something he's not (or hasn't show he is yet).

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Sky I'm dying over here
Perfect. You gotta love how trust moved to extreme trust to deep trust. You'd think Jimmy G and Shanny are dating and he doesn't want Jimmy G to cheat on our coach by the way he's talking. I've never.

I dunno "el",....seeking out other posters to bail you out instead of finding this clear evidence is pretty much waving the white flag on a message board,...no?

Since you weren't able to find or post any,...here is the evidence I watched that points to the contrary regarding trusting him more than your average NFL QB in critical situations. (Keep in mind I didn't have to, because YOU are making the claim and it's on YOU to back it up with tangible evidence)

Let's begin with "Critical Situation #1",....vs. Minnesota....



Successful 1st drive...things starting to look a little ugly afterwards. Then this is where the abandonment of the passing game began in the playoffs that -- I'm sorry -- paints exactly the opposite narrative of what you're trying to claim.

I got the impression going from that bad end of the half to handicapping his arm for the 2nd half that Shanahan had gotten "spooked" at that point because he really, really wanted to advance in the playoffs and didn't want anything in the cards he didn't fully trust getting in the way of that. That transition between halves was how I saw it.

Then on to Green Bay....





You'd rather take a little more time to be clicking on all cylinders with the NFCCG in hand,...IF you are confident enough to do so. Again,...not wanting to do so (form the Minn game onto here) paints an opposite narrative of what you're saying. Onto the Super Bowl...



and some more-analytic stuff...



See the part about easy throws accounting for much of the good looking stats through 3 quarters? About just how much we utilized the run to setup the pass? Then what happened?

Mahomes finally got a little hot with our defense getting tired from short drives, scored some points, and we were required to score points in a short time frame, where, as KC's defense knows by that point, you're going to HAVE TO pass.

As the stats above show, when we finally needed to pass in the playoffs, we failed miserably.

The info I have about critical situations from our last postseason gives me the opposite feel for what you're trying to say was "proven."

Gonna need more,...and since I covered games 1, 2, and 3 of his most critical games here,...I have no clue where you're going to get "more" from.

Shanahan trusts Jimmy to an extent. He also doesn't trust Jimmy to an extent. This is not a black and white issue, regardless how much you may want it to be.

Those saying he does and those saying he doesn't -- without any additional info given -- are both right.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree Jimmy is running/executing the offense that Kyle designed for him (key word). My debate has been is the offense that Kyle envisioned and wanted all along? Or is he doing what any great coach does and form an offense around what his QB does well? IMO it's the latter of the two. Same thing with Alex Smith in KC vs Mahomes.

Kyle has always valued explosive plays. He had no problem dialing up vertical pass plays with Matt Ryan or Kirk/RG3. The backbone of his offense is and will always be the OZ and using a ton of play-action, regardless.

Bringing up air yards vs YAC isn't lazy at all...what's wrong with wanting a more complete passing game? What's wrong with having a QB that can be a legitimate vertical passing threat as well as an accurate QB on short/intermediate throws? I'm not speaking for anyone else, but it has nothing to do with "entertainment" for me regarding my QB being able to throw deeper than 20 yards lol. It has everything to do with allowing Kyle to USE his whole playbook. It has everything to do with being a complete passing team. Being able to throw it well vertically helps the team as a whole (including the running game). I have no idea why people don't want that or think they have to defend Jimmy over it

We know what Jimmy does well...short/intermediate passes and gets the ball out quickly. Not a shocker that 90% of his pass plays are exactly that. We know overall Jimmy has struggled throwing the ball vertically and we don't see many of those pass plays being attempted. I think it's fair to assume if Kyle had a QB that was better at that, we'd be dialing up those plays more, no?

At some point you're gonna need your QB to be able to make those vertical passes to win the game (SB/week 1 vs AZ come to mind). I've stated I don't care how we win as long as we get the W. I'm also not gonna make Jimmy out to be something he's not (or hasn't show he is yet).

Outstanding post. Exactly what I have been trying to get across too regarding Kyle's system.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Yeah you can tell he was. Kittle was pissed multiple times on Sunday night too.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:
Yeah you can tell he was. Kittle was pissed multiple times on Sunday night too.

Easy TD

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

uhh, no. JG would have to float it over deep to a covered Aiyuk and risk a 3rd down conversion. The right pass was the easy open Kittle

Pause it at the 5 sec mark

Originally posted by 49ers808:

5) The ugly

Just as basic stick flat concept to the left and JG sails high and to the left of the Kittle. It's wide open pic.twitter.com/GghfENBaC9

— rich (@richjmadrid) October 24, 2020

The bad continued.

Ground ball at the feet of the running back. Didn't Beathard throw one of these against Miami and got s**t for it?

Garoppolo was off target on at least 7 or 8 passes in this game and some were within 5 yards. Not ideal. pic.twitter.com/edfaDdC2zC

— rich (@richjmadrid) October 24, 2020

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I can't stand Madrid anymore. Our last exchange on Twitter is silly. He posted how Jimmy threw the deep route to Aiyuk wrong, so I posted the play and asked him to clarify where he wanted it thrown because it was clearly thrown correctly and I said, "Aiyuk needs to stack the corner". He responded and said that even if Aiumyuk did, it's still most likely incomplete.

He just posted that play and said, "good throw by Jimmy. Aiyuk has to stack the corner and help his QB out."

Ok....I'm done with him with crao like that