Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

So you're going solely off.... the eye test?

We can't compare stats?

Maybe you're right, but your methods for comparison are purely subjective.

Stafford and jimmy couldn't be more different stylistically which makes your preference for one over the other a little off the mark.

But, you may be right 👍

You're comparing stats from players that have played in totally different offensive schemes.

I mean if we're going off stats than Mullens is damn near as good as Jimmy G and Stafford lol. Is that what you're telling me? Kirk cousins is just as good or better than Jimmy G too?

How are they stylistically different? They're both pocket passing QBs. Both run the offense they're coached to run. They're both gunslingers and think they can throw into tight places. Stafford would be running THIS offense...that's what I'm saying put a talent like Stafford with Kyle and you're gonna see points on the board imo.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

One example of him going thru his progressions, nice. But that's not typical of him.

Nah he goes through his reads, I have no idea where you thought up that?

He just hasn't been very accurate this yr. he's made poor reads and his mechanics have been turds.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

I don't think Stanford is a lock to run this offense the way Jimmy does, if that answers your question.

He possible could, but maybe not. A lot more to this offense than how much zip you can put on the ball.

(Edit: but a one game sample size (is the Super Bowl), yeah, I think Stafford would have played better than jimmy did)

What about him leads you to believe he couldn't run this offense? A UDFA learned how to run this offense. CJ Beathard learned how to run this offense. Brian hoyer learned how to run this offense. Matt Shaub etc..

Stafford imo would be the most talent QB kyle has ever had running his offense (more talented than Matt Ryan).

It's dumb to talk about anyway because it's not gonna happen. Stafford has been rotting away in Detroit

Yeah you may be right, and probably are.

BUT, the majority of QBs kyle has had through his coaching career couldn't fully grasp his scheme.... that's the reason I would say it's not a lock that stafford would thrive here anymore than he has in Detroit.

I'm happy with James G. There are a few QBs in the league I "think" would be better here, but I'm not positive.

I'm starting to think that Kyle tends to put too much on these QBs to compute in real time, which is why they tend to play well at first (simplified playbook), then regress a little (full playbook), then get better (understands the full playbook)

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh man not you too.

Stafford is worlds better than Jimmy G a playing QB. I don't even see how that's debatable

Being a better QB doesn't take into consideration having to learn a new offense and meshing with Kyle's scheme quick enough to get us to the SB and the W there.

You guys are nuts, Stafford is the slinger Jimmy wants to be. Stafford's arm talent, PLUS being able to hand the ball off all game and still win games would be devastating.

Stafford has been known to sling his way to bad situations. Thinking he automatically comes in here and we win all the games we won and then win some that we lost is pure speculation. Trying to play it any other way is stupid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

I don't think Stanford is a lock to run this offense the way Jimmy does, if that answers your question.

He possible could, but maybe not. A lot more to this offense than how much zip you can put on the ball.

(Edit: but a one game sample size (is the Super Bowl), yeah, I think Stafford would have played better than jimmy did)

What about him leads you to believe he couldn't run this offense? A UDFA learned how to run this offense. CJ Beathard learned how to run this offense. Brian hoyer learned how to run this offense. Matt Shaub etc..

Stafford imo would be the most talent QB kyle has ever had running his offense (more talented than Matt Ryan).

It's dumb to talk about anyway because it's not gonna happen. Stafford has been rotting away in Detroit

Stafford throws a great deep ball, but people in here talk about James's mechanics, you wanna see poor footwork, go watch Stafford. It's not as bad as Cam Newton, but he's not ballerina back there.

Stafford has mostly played in air-coryell offenses which will vertically stretch the field more than our WCO. I have yet to see him in a timing based, high short accuracy based offense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

So, all the guys dogging Jimmy from the SB and wishing for a guy like Lamar, how'd that work out last night?

Just poking the bear

Gross I never wanted Lamar. Baltimore can't play from behind. Lamar is a great athlete not a great QB IMO.

Why people can't stand Lamar Jackson, I'll never know. 36 tds vs 6 ints. He's ahead of Jimmy as a player, an athlete and a quarterback. He was an excellent draft pick, a deserved MVP. Seems like a good dude, hard worker. There's only one reason I can think of...

They lose one game to the defending super bowl champs and you vultures come out of nowhere.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

The worst thing in professional sports is being handcuffed by a mediocre quarterback. If he's awful, it's an easy fix... you get rid of him. But if he's just ok, you end up waiting on him for years to develop. Instead of seeing him for what he is you make countless excuses refusing to see the writing on the wall.

We assume because he's a "pocket passer" that he's intelligent and can read defenses, but he's shown just the opposite. How many games last year did he literally throw the ball up for grabs. You guys talk about his numbers from last year as if they were amazing, they weren't. 27 TDs vs 13 ints is not great, especially when he was surrounded by the best running attack in the NFL, explosive weapons, the best tight end and a play caller who could make anyone successful.

Even Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy. That's why he threw the ball 9 times against the Vikings and it's why he was so scared to call an aggressive game in the super bowl.

Jimmy's "talent" is overrated. He's a one read quarterback with zero pocket presence and mobility, above average arm talent who breaks down mentally when things get tough. Jimmy is basically a slightly lesser version than Andy Dalton.

We need to move on before we waste another could-have-been dynasty.

can we stop with this stupid untrue and nonsensical take now?

jesus christ lol let's go back to pre-2011 alex smith and Trent Dilfer even



"0 pocket presence. 1-read QB"

One example of him going thru his progressions, nice. But that's not typical of him.

Come on NY, that's not true at all, you should know better than that.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:
The worst thing in professional sports is being handcuffed by a mediocre quarterback. If he's awful, it's an easy fix... you get rid of him. But if he's just ok, you end up waiting on him for years to develop. Instead of seeing him for what he is you make countless excuses refusing to see the writing on the wall.

We assume because he's a "pocket passer" that he's intelligent and can read defenses, but he's shown just the opposite. How many games last year did he literally throw the ball up for grabs. You guys talk about his numbers from last year as if they were amazing, they weren't. 27 TDs vs 13 ints is not great, especially when he was surrounded by the best running attack in the NFL, explosive weapons, the best tight end and a play caller who could make anyone successful.

Even Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy. That's why he threw the ball 9 times against the Vikings and it's why he was so scared to call an aggressive game in the super bowl.

Jimmy's "talent" is overrated. He's a one read quarterback with zero pocket presence and mobility, above average arm talent who breaks down mentally when things get tough. Jimmy is basically a slightly lesser version than Andy Dalton.

We need to move on before we waste another could-have-been dynasty.

can we stop with this stupid untrue and nonsensical take now?

jesus christ lol let's go back to pre-2011 alex smith and Trent Dilfer even



"0 pocket presence. 1-read QB"

One example of him going thru his progressions, nice. But that's not typical of him.

That's because typically we don't have the pass protection allowing for that many progression checks.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:

Oh man not you too.

Stafford is worlds better than Jimmy G a playing QB. I don't even see how that's debatable

Being a better QB doesn't take into consideration having to learn a new offense and meshing with Kyle's scheme quick enough to get us to the SB and the W there.

You guys are nuts, Stafford is the slinger Jimmy wants to be. Stafford's arm talent, PLUS being able to hand the ball off all game and still win games would be devastating.

Stafford has been known to sling his way to bad situations. Thinking he automatically comes in here and we win all the games we won and then win some that we lost is pure speculation. Trying to play it any other way is stupid.

Stafford is clearly better than Jimmy, I don't even know why this is being argued.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

So, all the guys dogging Jimmy from the SB and wishing for a guy like Lamar, how'd that work out last night?

Just poking the bear

Gross I never wanted Lamar. Baltimore can't play from behind. Lamar is a great athlete not a great QB IMO.

Why people can't stand Lamar Jackson, I'll never know. 36 tds vs 6 ints. He's ahead of Jimmy as a player, an athlete and a quarterback. He was an excellent draft pick, a deserved MVP. Seems like a good dude, hard worker. There's only one reason I can think of...

They lose one game to the defending super bowl champs and you vultures come out of nowhere.

You could say the same thing about Jimmy. He loses one game to the SB champs and he's talked about being traded.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Jimmy also has had 7 career 4th qtr comebacks in 29 games. There's only 2 games before this season where he didn't have a 4 qtr comeback when given the opportunity. One was the first game vs the Hawks last year when our street signed kicker missed a 41 yarder into the tunnel, then the SB. Sucks that the ONE time it doesn't happen is in the most important game, but let's not act like he folds under pressure.

I never said he didn't have that in him or folded under pressure. The other poster said Stafford wasn't clutch which is just not true.

I got no problem being on this bandwagon...

Stafford/Shanahan > Jimmy G/shanahan.

FWIW I don't hate Jimmy G, He's my QB! Personally I don't think we have a FQB on the roster though. Just my opinion all good.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Stafford career stats:
62.5% completion percentage
89.4 rating
70 wins and 84 losses

Jimmy G career stats:
67.5% completion percentage
101 rating
24 wins and 7 losses

Obviously, Jimmy is a smaller sample size and Stafford plays for the lions.

The eyeball test tells me Stafford has a bigger arm and Jimmy is more accurate and generally comes through in the clutch(take out the SB). Jimmy also comes across as a natural leader who guys ride or die for and I don't see or hear that about Stafford. I am taking Jimmy.

Dude I don't give a crap about stats, put Stafford in Kyle's scheme not some b******t matt Patricia offense or all the all trash offensives he's had throughout his career and let's compare.

Clutch? Stafford is 5th overall (since 1960) in 4th QR comebacks.

Look I like Jimmy, I'm not gonna a homer about it though.

Lol I am not being a homer. If you didn't give a crap about stats why would you immediately point out a statistic to convey your point? Look, I like Stafford, but I am not taking him over Jimmy G for this team in this offense and I do not assume that if we had Stafford last year we would have a better chance to win the super bowl as you so eloquently pointed out.

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

So, all the guys dogging Jimmy from the SB and wishing for a guy like Lamar, how'd that work out last night?

Just poking the bear

Gross I never wanted Lamar. Baltimore can't play from behind. Lamar is a great athlete not a great QB IMO.

Why people can't stand Lamar Jackson, I'll never know. 36 tds vs 6 ints. He's ahead of Jimmy as a player, an athlete and a quarterback. He was an excellent draft pick, a deserved MVP. Seems like a good dude, hard worker. There's only one reason I can think of...

They lose one game to the defending super bowl champs and you vultures come out of nowhere.

He's not ahead of jimmy as a QB lol.

Great athlete. Great dude. But I wouldn't prefer him on my team..... I've had my fill of that type of offense

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

The worst thing in professional sports is being handcuffed by a mediocre quarterback. If he's awful, it's an easy fix... you get rid of him. But if he's just ok, you end up waiting on him for years to develop. Instead of seeing him for what he is you make countless excuses refusing to see the writing on the wall.

We assume because he's a "pocket passer" that he's intelligent and can read defenses, but he's shown just the opposite. How many games last year did he literally throw the ball up for grabs. You guys talk about his numbers from last year as if they were amazing, they weren't. 27 TDs vs 13 ints is not great, especially when he was surrounded by the best running attack in the NFL, explosive weapons, the best tight end and a play caller who could make anyone successful.

Even Kyle doesn't trust Jimmy. That's why he threw the ball 9 times against the Vikings and it's why he was so scared to call an aggressive game in the super bowl.

Jimmy's "talent" is overrated. He's a one read quarterback with zero pocket presence and mobility, above average arm talent who breaks down mentally when things get tough. Jimmy is basically a slightly lesser version than Andy Dalton.

We need to move on before we waste another could-have-been dynasty.

can we stop with this stupid untrue and nonsensical take now?

jesus christ lol let's go back to pre-2011 alex smith and Trent Dilfer even



"0 pocket presence. 1-read QB"

One example of him going thru his progressions, nice. But that's not typical of him.

That's because typically we don't have the pass protection allowing for that many progression checks.

When he does have time, he holds too long, doesn't move in the pocket, and folds and takes a sack or closes his eyes and throws something up. He can't extend... AT ALL.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9erguy:
Stafford career stats:
62.5% completion percentage
89.4 rating
70 wins and 84 losses

Jimmy G career stats:
67.5% completion percentage
101 rating
24 wins and 7 losses

Obviously, Jimmy is a smaller sample size and Stafford plays for the lions.

The eyeball test tells me Stafford has a bigger arm and Jimmy is more accurate and generally comes through in the clutch(take out the SB). Jimmy also comes across as a natural leader who guys ride or die for and I don't see or hear that about Stafford. I am taking Jimmy.

Dude I don't give a crap about stats, put Stafford in Kyle's scheme not some b******t matt Patricia offense or all the all trash offensives he's had throughout his career and let's compare.

Clutch? Stafford is 5th overall (since 1960) in 4th QR comebacks.

Look I like Jimmy, I'm not gonna a homer about it though.

Jimmy also has had 7 career 4th qtr comebacks in 29 games. There's only 2 games before this season where he didn't have a 4 qtr comeback when given the opportunity. One was the first game vs the Hawks last year when our street signed kicker missed a 41 yarder into the tunnel, then the SB. Sucks that the ONE time it doesn't happen is in the most important game, but let's not act like he folds under pressure.

Yeah, and to be fair to all here, both Jimmy G and Stafford have shown the ability to be clutch QBs.