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Originally posted by ShotTime:
Originally posted by SD49er:
Jimmy got hit right in the chin during the super bowl in an obvious penalty that wasn't called (along with a bunch of non calls against Bosa). Jimmy was not the same after that hit because he was concussed. This is not conjecture or speculation. Just watch the play - he was knocked out. Now, Jimmy wasn't playing great before the hit, but, he was playing well enough to win.

People here disregard Jimmy's amazing play over the course of his very short 49ers career for some reason. His talent is far greater than Mullens and Kaep (let's be real, Kap could not read defenses, go through progressions, or make all the throws. He had a fast ball and he could run strait.) Can Jimmy improve? Of course. Does he need to get better? Yes. But is he one of the best young QBs in football? absolutely. He is a better passer than Watson, Jackson, and Murray.

All he does is win and people want to send him packing. This entire conversation is absurd to me.

People don't want to send him "packing". People misinterpret that people feel we need to upgrade the position as, "packing". We don't let jimmy go until we find a replacement that much is clear, however all the jimmy homers or people on the fence act as if qbs just grow on trees. We could have jimmy for the next decade at qb and the reasoning for that could be from us busting on every qb draft pick, or the qb we draft simply just not being as good as jimmy.

A lot of jimmys "haters" concede he's average and some days very good, above average, but see the limitations of never becoming a blue chip qb. Then u have the homers who argue this and say he is well above average and with time easily can become a blue chip elite and to think otherwise is trolling and absurd.

The dude needs to play better, and if he doesn't our staff needs to have the capacity to understand how to find his replacement without killing his already hurt confidence in the process, since the process could take years to find someone better.

If he's never gonna be a mahomes, Brady, Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers russel Wilson, etc, then I don't know why anyone is opposed to us drafting qbs at random throughout the years to hopefully hit on a gem that can replace him and hopefully be one of these guys I just mentioned. These are the pinnacle type of qbs you look for in the nfl and it seems at all times there's always the 5-10 elite qbs, then the "above average" qbs (jimmy falls in this category) then u have the fillers/stop gaps, then the rookies or 2nd year rookies.

If you don't have one of those Elite qbs, u keep looking, but in a different way, if that makes sense

I'm not a Jimmy "homer," I've just watched every play of his 49er career and believe he is a franchise quarterback. I am only interested in the 49ers winning, not sticking to a player and wanting to be right. I just disagree with your position that Jimmy can't be elite. I would not trade him for any of the top young Qbs except for Mahomes. He certainly was elite in many of the most important categories last year including, including wins, third down conversation, first down passing, and the list goes on. He is also only getting better. I respect your opinion that the team should always be looking to upgrade. I agree actually. I just don't think it will be easy to upgrade when Jimmy is pretty damn good, especially with the risk associated with bringing in someone new.
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Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by sacniner:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by susweel:
People were making excuses for Jimmy oh he ain't got no weapons his WRs are crap. Then Nick went out and balled with even a worse group of weapons. No more excuses for Jimmy, either ball or grab the clipboard.

Another one who didn't bother to watch the 1st half of the Jets game.

Lol you talking about those check downs vs the worst team in the league.

NT hates Sus, but if you take emotion out of it his take isn't unreasonable. Jimmy needs to play better CONSISTENTLY so we can move forward. You can't point at two quarters against the worse defense in the NFL as your mic drop and shield of any Jimmy critique. That's asinine. Jimmy needs to step up, time is running lower and the excuses are getting thinner

If Jimmy played like Nick did against the Giants we would be on cloud nine. Nick balled out with a depleted team. NO PUNTS.

Jimmy needs to come in and play well for a stretch of games. If he plays well one game a lot of you will be asking Niner fans to eat crow, but one game isn't s**t. With this elite team, it's all about getting the chip now. Welcome to the big leagues, Jimmy

Nick played against the Jets too you know.

Yeah, he looked like s**t against them.

He didn't get to practice and run with the 1's all week though. Jimmy did and he was suddenly called upon later on.

When he did get his week to prepare with the 1's,...he looked alot better, as we saw.
[ Edited by random49er on Sep 28, 2020 at 4:45 PM ]
Originally posted by ShotTime:
It's really not. Let me lay it out for you.

If we ever meet KC in the super bowl again, we will ALWAYS need the better overall team to win, and if we don't, we will need to completely win in the penalty game, and have all the bounces and luck go our way. That is the issue everyone has.

Against other teams in 2020 we will usually have the better overall team, but that won't be the case from 2020-2030 and you and others seem content to ride him for that amount of time. When we have the lesser team, and the other team has a qb like Aaron rodgers, ruseeel Wilson, or Patrick mahomes, who will you be betting on? I can tell you where the Vegas odds will stand.

You typically always need the better overall team lol
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Jimmy G is a clearly better QB than Nick Mullens.

In 2020 it hasn't been clear at all. Short sample size thus far for both players. Jimmy's done a few things better,...and Nick has as well.

People are talking about how a guy looked in 2017 for God's sakes. That stuff is ancient history compared to today. Physically, he's a shell of his former self. If he's grown his game mentally,...then that can make up for it,...but the jury is out on that.

I think the only thing that's clear is you wanting to give a player that hasnt proven very much to you his last 6 games or so alot more leeway than he deserves.

You can't rest on your laurels in the NFL.
[ Edited by random49er on Sep 28, 2020 at 4:57 PM ]
You Jimmy homers are funny. We are an elite team due to COACHING, RUNNING GAME and DEFENSE. Jimmy is good at leading the troops and managing the game plan. The issue with Jimmy lies when he is asked to TAKEOVER/WIN a game with his raw QB talents (ie, THROWING THE BALL). Until Jimmy can prove he is an ELITE thrower, we will continue to struggle in BIG GAMES.

I am not saying Nick is the answer. Nor am I saying Jimmy is NOT the answer. All I am saying is Jimmy has obvious limitations and until they are fixed, we are going to have a hard time winning BIG GAMES (ie, SUPER BOWLS).

I am a 49ers fan and all I want to do is win a super bowl. Jimmy is a very likeable guy and I will continue to root for him when he is our QB. With that said, you Jimmy homers please stop acting like he is elite when it's very VERY obvious he is not.

Sorry in advance for those I offend. I am just speaking my mind.

Cheers!
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Jimmy G is a clearly better QB than Nick Mullens.

It's actually pretty close but Jimmy is probably a little bit better.
Originally posted by sf49ersfan7:
You Jimmy homers are funny. We are an elite team due to COACHING, RUNNING GAME and DEFENSE. Jimmy is good at leading the troops and managing the game plan. The issue with Jimmy lies when he is asked to TAKEOVER/WIN a game with his raw QB talents (ie, THROWING THE BALL). Until Jimmy can prove he is an ELITE thrower, we will continue to struggle in BIG GAMES.

I am not saying Nick is the answer. Nor am I saying Jimmy is NOT the answer. All I am saying is Jimmy has obvious limitations and until they are fixed, we are going to have a hard time winning BIG GAMES (ie, SUPER BOWLS).

I am a 49ers fan and all I want to do is win a super bowl. Jimmy is a very likeable guy and I will continue to root for him when he is our QB. With that said, you Jimmy homers please stop acting like he is elite when it's very VERY obvious he is not.

Sorry in advance for those I offend. I am just speaking my mind.

Cheers!

In your opinion, did Jimmy fail to do what you're saying in the saints game last season?
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
In your opinion, did Jimmy fail to do what you're saying in the saints game last season?

To be completely honest with you, that game was the 1st Niners game I missed in the last 20yrs. SORRY!!!

With that said, Jimmy played a great game and performed ABOVE EXPECTATIONS......BUT the Saints have a horrible D and have for YEARS. They make a lot of AVERAGE QB's look ELITE. s**t, look at Alex Smith stats (when he played for us) from when he played vs the Saints and I think we can both agree that AS had/has obvious throwing limitations.

All I am trying to say is I NEED to see more from Jimmy as a pure thrower. I think he lost tons of confidence after his injury and he has to get that trust back. If Jimmy can't perform ABOVE AVERAGE CONSISTANTLY, I am willing to explore other QB options as they become available.
The truth is not one of us has all the information that the coaching staff has/sees. Some want to point to stats while others say the eye test but none of us know what each quarterback is given or tasked with. What I mean by that is I'd bet Nick was given a condensed version of plays just like Jimmy was given in 2017 and balled out for those 5 games. This makes it alot easier for a qb to know where to go and be decisive.

What I think is happening is based off of last season Kyle has opened up the entire playbook for Jimmy and he's now processing alot more info and doesn't completely trust where to go at times which is causing the early season hesitation. While I think Nick has mastered Spanish 1, I think Jimmy is trying to get through Spanish 3, he's just further ahead and has more to deal with. There's gonna be some bumps in the road, we forget Jimmy only has one full season under his belt. We expected this more last season especially coming off an acl but we ended up in the Superbowl so people think Jimmy is a finished product but he's still has some learning and growing to do and unfortunately now that our window opened early people want him to be a finished product now. He isn't.

I trust Shanahan most of all and if he has Jimmy as the starter than that's what I'm rolling with, when or if Nick is in than I'm rolling with BDN. Go 49ers
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Originally posted by onetrackt:
Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

That's the problem.. SF has one of the worst sports media markets in the states and matches the fan base

Real players know the value of Jimmy, just cause he doesn't put up fantasy numbers doesn't mean he's not a good quarterback or leader.. dude f**king wins and that's all that should matter

We haven't collectively endorsed a QB since Montana and even the there was some controversy.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Jimmy G is a clearly better QB than Nick Mullens.

Not all arguments are saying that. Mein own is that while Jimmy G is better, he's not 20 million dollars better. After this season, I think it may be the better move is to keep Mullens and let Jimmy go (assuming he refuses an pay cut), whilst never ceasing to draft QBs.

Alternatively trade Mullens for an 1st if possible, and if not whatever can be acquired.
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy throws a pass that gets the TE injured "damn you Jimmy"

Nick throws a pass that gets the TE injured - not a peep.

Surely you jest. This must be what they call the "trolling," as Reed was abused by the turf, while Kittle was abused by Jimmy.

For Reed, the action was merely an freak incident and had nothing to with the pass. For Kittle, the pass was so bad that in the minds of the conspiracy theorist it would be thought of as intentional, an deliberate act of abuse of the kind when Father furiously swings the stinging switch upon the effete backside of the guilty son.
Originally posted by StOnEy333:
In your opinion, did Jimmy fail to do what you're saying in the saints game last season?

Pick and choose pick and choose.

You can do what your saying with almost every quarterback in the NFL. Every qb has great games. They didn't "step up" they just had a good game.

Stepping up is when everything around u is going wrong except for yourself (the quarterback) you take the kids for a ride and carry the game yourself when asked to do so.
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Originally posted by Gabberwocky:
Originally posted by thl408:
Jimmy throws a pass that gets the TE injured "damn you Jimmy"

Nick throws a pass that gets the TE injured - not a peep.

Surely you jest. This must be what they call the "trolling," as Reed was abused by the turf, while Kittle was abused by Jimmy.

For Reed, the action was merely an freak incident and had nothing to with the pass. For Kittle, the pass was so bad that in the minds of the conspiracy theorist it would be thought of as intentional, an deliberate act of abuse of the kind when Father furiously swings the stinging switch upon the effete backside of the guilty son.

Yup. Just like that. Totally just like a father beating his kid. Fantastic analogy.
Originally posted by thl408:
Yup. Just like that. Totally just like a father beating his kid. Fantastic analogy.

Only in the minds of the conspiracy theorist. For the reasonably man, who reads his paper at night in the easy chair before the fire, whilst drinking his fine vintage, it was simply that Garoppolo inexplicably hesitates, much like the common shellshocked Kaepernick.
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