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Joecool
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Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by Shorteous:
Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Originally posted by KittleSkittle:
Your just asking for the wrong thing to happen to your qb doing s**t like that.
Why let your qb take a hit?
I understand jimmy needs to get the ball out but he'll get hit on that play almost every time.
Given the result of the play, do you think the Steelers would call that defensive blitz if they had the chance to do it over?
How would of you felt if Jimmy's collarbone would have snapped on that play..
You still think that would of been a good playcall?
Only QB in the league that makes that throw is JG and Rodgers.
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Fanaticofnfl
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Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
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Joecool
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
Well, not in week 3 but if the ratio doesn't improve, then it will mean something.
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Joecool
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Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Joecool:
6.2.5
Well, not in week 3 but if the ratio doesn't improve, then it will mean something.
what's 6.2.5?
I don't know. It's a Webmaster question.
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Niners816
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Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
I posted this a couple of days ago and its always been the numbers i like to look at when judging QBs:
Jimmy G:
9-2
28.5 ppg
399.2 ypg
258.6 pass
140.5 rush
For me PPG and YPG are a great indicator of how a QB is managing an offense. TDs and Yards are the sexy stats, but moving the ball consistently and putting up points IMO is the QB's main job. The great thing with Jimmy is these numbers can get even better when the RZ offense becomes more efficient and the int numbers start to fall. The above numbers are elite.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
I posted this a couple of days ago and its always been the numbers i like to look at when judging QBs:
Jimmy G:
9-2
28.5 ppg
399.2 ypg
258.6 pass
140.5 rush
For me PPG and YPG are a great indicator of how a QB is managing an offense. TDs and Yards are the sexy stats, but moving the ball consistently and putting up points IMO is the QB's main job. The great thing with Jimmy is these numbers can get even better when the RZ offense becomes more efficient and the int numbers start to fall. The above numbers are elite.
yeah, just a personal nit-pick of mine. would really like the INT numbers to come to a halt a bit
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OnTheClock
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Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
I posted this a couple of days ago and its always been the numbers i like to look at when judging QBs:
Jimmy G:
9-2
28.5 ppg
399.2 ypg
258.6 pass
140.5 rush
For me PPG and YPG are a great indicator of how a QB is managing an offense. TDs and Yards are the sexy stats, but moving the ball consistently and putting up points IMO is the QB's main job. The great thing with Jimmy is these numbers can get even better when the RZ offense becomes more efficient and the int numbers start to fall. The above numbers are elite.
yeah, just a personal nit-pick of mine. would really like the INT numbers to come to a halt a bit
Over time the TD:INT ratio, YPA, and Completion Percentage are pretty good barometers for a QB's level of play.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
I posted this a couple of days ago and its always been the numbers i like to look at when judging QBs:
Jimmy G:
9-2
28.5 ppg
399.2 ypg
258.6 pass
140.5 rush
For me PPG and YPG are a great indicator of how a QB is managing an offense. TDs and Yards are the sexy stats, but moving the ball consistently and putting up points IMO is the QB's main job. The great thing with Jimmy is these numbers can get even better when the RZ offense becomes more efficient and the int numbers start to fall. The above numbers are elite.
yeah, just a personal nit-pick of mine. would really like the INT numbers to come to a halt a bit
Over time the TD:INT ratio, YPA, and Completion Percentage are pretty good barometers for a QB's level of play.
what Jimmy's stats are telling me right now is that yeah, he'll throw a few picks, but at the end of the day makes plays when it matters
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Niners816
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Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
except when Joe was coming from behind, the game wasn't out of reach... and they weren't garbage time stats.
Top 5 QB's in the NFL with the most passing yardage
Patrick Mahomes #1 (3-0)
Andy Dalton #2 (0-3 record)
Rivers #3 (1-2 record)
Case Keenum #4 (0-3 record)
Matt Ryan #5 (1-2 record)
Mahomes speaks for itself obviously
as for the rest, look at all the yards Ryan Keenum Dalton have been putting up. have they been playing well? not at all.
so, no, it's not a pretty 'reliable' indicator. idk why people are so obsessed with passing yardage. look at passing avg and TD:INT ratio instead. or get into the PFF grade stuff
This game was proof though that TD-INT ratio doesn't mean much. He had one TD and two INT's and yet it's considered one of the best games he's played. Meanwhile Cousins had triple the TD's to INT's last season but was still considered very meh.
To me, game-winning drives is the best barometer. But even that's not perfect since some teams are better than others.
I posted this a couple of days ago and its always been the numbers i like to look at when judging QBs:
Jimmy G:
9-2
28.5 ppg
399.2 ypg
258.6 pass
140.5 rush
For me PPG and YPG are a great indicator of how a QB is managing an offense. TDs and Yards are the sexy stats, but moving the ball consistently and putting up points IMO is the QB's main job. The great thing with Jimmy is these numbers can get even better when the RZ offense becomes more efficient and the int numbers start to fall. The above numbers are elite.
yeah, just a personal nit-pick of mine. would really like the INT numbers to come to a halt a bit
Over time the TD:INT ratio, YPA, and Completion Percentage are pretty good barometers for a QB's level of play.
People kinda rag on the traditional QB rating but i always loved it as a statistic because it captures all the numbers. I think it captures quite nicely how dominant Joe and Steve were in '89 and '94 with their 112 ratings in leagues where 75ish was the average at the time.
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Niners816
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Originally posted by SkyZer0:
what Jimmy's stats are telling me right now is that yeah, he'll throw a few picks, but at the end of the day makes plays when it matters
If he just keeps progressing that td/int ratio with start to get in line. He just needs him some 3/0 type games to get that line up. Personally, I think by years end if he stays healthy we will see a line like this
66%+
4000 yards
25-26 tds
14-16 ints
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Joecool
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by SkyZer0:
what Jimmy's stats are telling me right now is that yeah, he'll throw a few picks, but at the end of the day makes plays when it matters
If he just keeps progressing that td/int ratio with start to get in line. He just needs him some 3/0 type games to get that line up. Personally, I think by years end if he stays healthy we will see a line like this
66%+
4000 yards
25-26 tds
14-16 ints
I think we can scratch that first game. JG just didn't look comfortable and I think that can absolutely be attributed to rust and over cautious on the knee. The last two games is more likely what we will see but better in the TD department due to all the penalties we have had this season. The first game had two TDs called back.
I think his baseline will be 30 TDS.
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flynhayn15
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The one non injury knock on Jimmy's game is his deep ball. Credit to Kyle, in this game, there were many plays were multiple receivers were open and every time, Jimmy chose the shorter pass. I wonder if that is because he didn't see the deep route open, if he trusts his intermediate throws more than his deep ball, he feels there is no need to vertically stretch the field the way our defense is playing, or a combination of the 3. I wonder if this is something Kyle wants him to improve on or if he is satisfied with the high percentage 15 yard chunk plays instead of the low percentage possible homeruns.
