Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by okdkid:
Right -- but then did the Broncos 2nd string not also have exposure to the playbook? Because players from the same opposing team were being exploited by the exact same offense they were exposed to all week. And since the ones played the ones and the twos played the twos... it's not a matter of a talent mismatch.

Sorry I got lost in what you said. Did you mean why did CJ and Mullens get plays with playaction and Jimmy didn't?

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Sure, but we're talking about Garoppolo. I don't know how anybody could watch that train wreck yesterday and not be concerned about his ability to translate it to the regular season. Maybe he can...I hope he can. But I don't see how you can just sweep it under the rug and say "Welp, dat's the preseason for ya!"

Zero of Shanahan's play calls last night asked Garoppolo to frantically throw what should have been two picks in six attempts.

So 2017 and his numbers last year were a fluke? All y'all could talk about last year was the pick 6 called back where the RB ran a wrong route. Other than that, Jimmy torched the KC defense in the 2nd half.

Jimmy haters have selective amnesia.

That's right. We are all Jimmy haters. 'zone gonna 'zone.

Originally posted by valrod33:
Its the 2nd preseason game of the year, You guys are looking into this way too much

maybe with jimmy.. but not with the offensive line in my opinion

You guys have probably discussed this all morning... but someone walk me off the ledge here

If Jimmy is non-functional vs KC, do we trot him out there week one? I know it's a big if... and he didn't have his full compliment of weapons and protection, but he wasn't up to task mentally. He also has that restrictive knee brace on.

With McKinnon we are super cautious... With Jimmy they want him to play week one, but didn't play him the first preseason game. He got limited time last night and looked atrocious. Dude needs extended playing time to catch up to game speed... but, another stinker, and what do we do? This team can't go 4-12 and have a wasted year waiting for Jimmy to get right.

I'm not optimistic that he can turn it around by Saturday, but I hope I'm wrong. Man, that was rough and really solidified the reports on his struggles in camp

The only real concern with JG is if he's got the full blown yips or the rusty yips. He's obviously not comfortable with anyone near his legs. From TC reports allot of his bad throws or pics were when people were around his legs and we saw it again.

That said, I've seen it go both ways. Sometimes QBs need the big hit to shake the rust off, other times they turn into Carr. The play calling did no favors, the O line and penalties did no favors, and JG looked rusty as hell. This is the adversity he needs to face cause right now he is considered the most overrated QB in the league. If he bounces back with a good game at the place that started all this then he is the franchise QB people have hoped for, if not then our D will have to carry the team... wouldn't be the first time.

Just remember it's preseason, not as an excuse but that everything will be sensationalized cause people are bored AF and just want something to rant about. First real pass rush he's faced in a year... not gonna get too concerned about it right now. If he has another game like that against KC then yeah hit the panic button cause you know Kyle is actually gonna scheme a little for that game. He needs JG to gain some confidence going into the regular season. I'm of the opinion that Kyle's attitude about the preseason gave the offense a very lackadaisical mindset going into the game where Denver was still motivated in trying to make up for getting castrated in that first joint practice whereas the niners just kind of phoned it in. But hey if the KC game is similar than I'll hop on the chicken little bandwagon.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Right -- but then did the Broncos 2nd string not also have exposure to the playbook? Because players from the same opposing team were being exploited by the exact same offense they were exposed to all week. And since the ones played the ones and the twos played the twos... it's not a matter of a talent mismatch.

Sorry I got lost in what you said. Did you mean why did CJ and Mullens get plays with playaction and Jimmy didn't?

In short, I took your thought to be "They had a jump on Garoppolo because they saw the offense all week."

What I'm saying is that the rest of the Broncos roster was also exposed to the Shanahan offense all week... but were dominated by it once the twos and threes came in. Why would they not, similarly, have the jump on Mullens/Beathard? Apologies if I'm misunderstanding your initial thought.

Originally posted by Furlow:
Why show our bread and butter in a meaningless preseason game?

we were unable to pass protect.. thats as much bread and butter than anything else we do. there is a reason why jimmy was back pedaling when he was in there which i think also led to his terrible throws. not all on the line but i am willing to say about 70 per cent was

I remember a play where CJ did playaction and there was someone right in his face as he turned around. At least I think I saw a play like that. I'll gif it if I find it. Remember that Scangerello (DEN's OC) also runs a similar offense so it's possible Fangio was all over this during the joint practices and Kyle is just being over protective of Jimmy.

Originally posted by sacniner:
You guys have probably discussed this all morning... but someone walk me off the ledge here

If Jimmy is non-functional vs KC, do we trot him out there week one? I know it's a big if... and he didn't have his full compliment of weapons and protection, but he wasn't up to task mentally. He also has that restrictive knee brace on.

With McKinnon we are super cautious... With Jimmy they want him to play week one, but didn't play him the first preseason game. He got limited time last night and looked atrocious. Dude needs extended playing time to catch up to game speed... but, another stinker, and what do we do? This team can't go 4-12 and have a wasted year waiting for Jimmy to get right.

I'm not optimistic that he can turn it around by Saturday, but I hope I'm wrong. Man, that was rough and really solidified the reports on his struggles in camp

Yes.

Because if he is truly horrible, we HAVE to know so we can pull the plug on his contract free of charge in April. We CAN NOT go into the offseason not knowing if Garoppolo is the guy or not.

Originally posted by sacniner:

You guys have probably discussed this all morning... but someone walk me off the ledge here

If Jimmy is non-functional vs KC, do we trot him out there week one? I know it's a big if... and he didn't have his full compliment of weapons and protection, but he wasn't up to task mentally. He also has that restrictive knee brace on.

With McKinnon we are super cautious... With Jimmy they want him to play week one, but didn't play him the first preseason game. He got limited time last night and looked atrocious. Dude needs extended playing time to catch up to game speed... but, another stinker, and what do we do? This team can't go 4-12 and have a wasted year waiting for Jimmy to get right.

I'm not optimistic that he can turn it around by Saturday, but I hope I'm wrong. Man, that was rough and really solidified the reports on his struggles in camp

Of course you play him. Starting Mullens is tantamount to giving up on the season. It might take Jimmy some time to get back to form, but he's not going to do it while sitting on the bench. And we can't go into next offseason wondering if Jimmy is the guy or not.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
The decision-making is my concern, but perhaps he needs only time. Even in the five victories in 2017, Jimmy threw 5 interceptions vs. 7 TDs. He started 2018 by throwing 3 interceptions against Minnesota. But then he threw no picks against Detroit or KC. Perhaps Jimmy just needs time. During his five games at New England, he threw zero picks vs. 5 TDs. He had two years of practice before he replaced Brady in 2016. He hasn't had that yet here.

Me too. I can accept that it may take more time to work back from his serious knee injury, but there is growing evidence that he throws up a lot of dangerous passes and will get picked a lot. When you have offensive gurus like Bill Walsh or Kyle Shanahan, the position is more cerebral where you take advantage of the matchups the offense is designed to exploit. Mullens to me looks more mentally in sync, but physically not as talented as Garoppolo. Maybe Jimmy just needs lots of injury-free reps and game experience. The good news is that we will have a defense that can carry the team while he develops.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

He has a whopping 10 starts under his belt and the oline is terrible. PP is worse now than when JG got here.

I don't complete disagree with his lack of experience but he is not a rookie. He worked with Brady/Bellick for 2 years and did not start until week 12. That is a long time that is not afforded to most rookie QBs. He has had lots of time to acclimate himself to the game under one of the best QB/coaching tandems ever. Not to mentioned he has been in this offense for 1.5 years under a offence minded coach whom has a good history of QBs. He should have shown up ready to play both mentally and physically last night and he did not; that is my concern. He look unsure of himself.

I also do not disagree that the line played poorly but as an elite highly paid QB, JG is suppose to make his OL look good with quick reads, fast release and a look of confidence. I did not see that. This why he got paid, to have these traits.

Lol
Dudes were in his face the min the ball was snapped.
Pretty tough to "make his OL look good" like that.

People forget what Ware and Von Miller did to Brady in the playoffs to go to the SB that year with Manning as QB?

A pass rush makes the best QB's look incompetent.

Our OLine sucks and has for years..
Got the same guys bashing some on here when it's pointed out asking the same b******t.. "who'd you took last year.."

It's not the 2019 picks, this Line should have been addressed since Kyle and Lynch walked into the door and I don't mean just McGlinch, I mean, every year.. games are won in the trenches yet we ignore the OL.. and don't give me the f**king list of crap this FO has Marched thru the front door the past few years for this OLine, it's been downright s**t for years and they ignored it..

Now it looks like the same ones bashing everyone, talking the "continuity the line will have" or my fav by NY, PFF ranked our line at like 13th! So we should shut up!!
Yet that same PFF ranked our run game at 31st!!!!

Now the same ones are making comments that "more should have been done" and they "wish they'd of done this or that.."
Lol
Just don't know how anyone could have been comfortable coming into this season with the same s**t for an OLine.. pathetic

Originally posted by okdkid:
People always forget the Garoppolo threw a soul crushing (and what would have been a game-losing) pick 6 vs. Detroit. He was bailed out by an unrelated penalty.

Almost caught rabbit don't make no stew.

There have been many game winning TDs called back due to a penalty. They don't count so stop talking about it.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by okdkid:
People always forget the Garoppolo threw a soul crushing (and what would have been a game-losing) pick 6 vs. Detroit. He was bailed out by an unrelated penalty.

Almost caught rabbit don't make no stew.

There have been many game winning TDs called back due to a penalty. They don't count so stop talking about it.

lol. Preseason don't count either. So I guess that's that then. hahah love this place

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by Giedi:
You said nothing wrong. I just dont prefer to view the team the way you do. I think the facts say that he hasn't thrown in one year in a real game, and that is a great DLine that they played against. Von Miller and chub aren't Ian Williams or demarcus Dobbs. Also we didnt play a lot of our starting pass catchers or starting defenders. Also its preseason. So you can look at it half full or half empty. You can scare yourself silly or you can enjoy the fact that he's back and that our defense looks great. Up to you.

i think just saying, its only pre season and denver has a good defense is nothing but denial and deflection to a serious issue on our team . you could also call it sweeping it under the rug. its up to you

Yeah, says the guy who was convinced we couldn't sign Jimmy to a long term contract. Yeah I tried back then to help you look at it realistically, it didnt work then, so why bother now.

sure,. i was wrong about that. so what.. i was not wrong about our pass protection woes last year or so far this year. last year at this time. many were saying. the offensive line is not as bad as the chicken littles are saying. well no matter the qb last year we saw it was. so one year later the same things by the overly optimistic homers are being said. its only pre season. we are vanilla. denver has a good defense etc etc

It's not a question of right or wrong. Remember, I said you *didn't say anything wrong.* It's just looking at it negatively. Again, nothing wrong with that, but go ahead and scare yourself silly if you enjoy that. Personally, I'm not going out of my way to ruin my own day, thank you very much.