The Raheem "The joy of a dream" Mostert thread!

Technically Mostert has $600K GTD in his base salary as of April 1.

He has no leverage, no one will trade a high pick when most if not all teams have their featured back(s).

He does have incentives, worth up to $1M each year based on yards and play time, and can get a $1M escalator in 2021 based on rushing and play time. What they can do is just put the $1M onto his 2020 base salary, and guarantee the entire base salary, then if he balls out, tell him we'll work out a new deal in 2021.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Technically Mostert has $600K GTD in his base salary as of April 1.

He has no leverage, no one will trade a high pick when most if not all teams have their featured back(s).

He does have incentives, worth up to $1M each year based on yards and play time, and can get a $1M escalator in 2021 based on rushing and play time. What they can do is just put the $1M onto his 2020 base salary, and guarantee the entire base salary, then if he balls out, tell him we'll work out a new deal in 2021.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Technically Mostert has $600K GTD in his base salary as of April 1.

He has no leverage, no one will trade a high pick when most if not all teams have their featured back(s).

He does have incentives, worth up to $1M each year based on yards and play time, and can get a $1M escalator in 2021 based on rushing and play time. What they can do is just put the $1M onto his 2020 base salary, and guarantee the entire base salary, then if he balls out, tell him we'll work out a new deal in 2021.

Poor mostert. Armstead walking around with a ridiculous contract

Originally posted by teylo31:

Poor mostert. Armstead walking around with a ridiculous contract

Lol, don't forget McKinnon.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I think it's 100% safe to say the only way forward is with him firing his agent.

I don't see the Niners motivation to work with that guy. They already have Mostert locked up.

He undersold his client and is going back to the well to make things right by Mostert. I'm not seeing why the Niners would do business with this guy. Can't trust him.

Just out of curiosity, do you at least understand the other side of the argument? That Mostert's agent negotiated a contract that was in line with the position/role he had on this team...and now that position/role is substantially more important and should be paid as such?

I only ask because to me, the "he already negotiated a contract just last year" argument doesnt hold water for the reason I just listed above. He negotiated a contract based on the role he was supposed to have.

It does hold water because he elected to give his rights to the Niners over these next two years. It's a pickle he put himself in. These were Mostert's choices.

Sure he negotiated a contract based on ST and some RB sprinkled in. He also negotiated a contract that provided Mostert zero protection should his RB production ramp up. His own agent treated it as an afterthought.

This is the contract they wanted.

Also why "should" it be paid as such? This is a business not a charity. Particularly for a limited value position on a team with a HC who can get production out of anybody.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Technically Mostert has $600K GTD in his base salary as of April 1.

He has no leverage, no one will trade a high pick when most if not all teams have their featured back(s).

He does have incentives, worth up to $1M each year based on yards and play time, and can get a $1M escalator in 2021 based on rushing and play time. What they can do is just put the $1M onto his 2020 base salary, and guarantee the entire base salary, then if he balls out, tell him we'll work out a new deal in 2021.

Best thing I've heard on the situation.

Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Poor mostert. Armstead walking around with a ridiculous contract

Lol, don't forget McKinnon.

That's his own fault really.

Even Steve Young called him out on the radio, crazy how him and his agent are the only ones who don't realize they're making a mistake trying to leave this system. If Mostert should be mad at anyone it shouldn't be the front office it's his dumb ass agent for negotiating that contract.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Poor mostert. Armstead walking around with a ridiculous contract

Lol, don't forget McKinnon.

That's his own fault really.

No, lol, don't forget McKinnons ridiculous contract making $22 mil and never playing a single down for almost 3 years.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Technically Mostert has $600K GTD in his base salary as of April 1.

He has no leverage, no one will trade a high pick when most if not all teams have their featured back(s).

He does have incentives, worth up to $1M each year based on yards and play time, and can get a $1M escalator in 2021 based on rushing and play time. What they can do is just put the $1M onto his 2020 base salary, and guarantee the entire base salary, then if he balls out, tell him we'll work out a new deal in 2021.

This is why AB is the best. This whole time we thought he had 0 GTD $. This helps. I wonder what the specific rushing incentives are. I especially like the last part. This should be relatively easy adding some good faith GTD $ now and revisiting a bigger contract after the season.

Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by ChicoCorrales:

Originally posted by teylo31:

Poor mostert. Armstead walking around with a ridiculous contract

Lol, don't forget McKinnon.

That's his own fault really.

No, lol, don't forget McKinnons ridiculous contract making $22 mil and never playing a single down for almost 3 years.

I'm sure the Niners had a crystal ball that told em he'd be injured for two years. Jet was actually paid so much because we we're desperate for help at the time and Kyle had/has big plans for him. Lets just hope he's ready to roll this year.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I think it's 100% safe to say the only way forward is with him firing his agent.

I don't see the Niners motivation to work with that guy. They already have Mostert locked up.

He undersold his client and is going back to the well to make things right by Mostert. I'm not seeing why the Niners would do business with this guy. Can't trust him.

Just out of curiosity, do you at least understand the other side of the argument? That Mostert's agent negotiated a contract that was in line with the position/role he had on this team...and now that position/role is substantially more important and should be paid as such?

I only ask because to me, the "he already negotiated a contract just last year" argument doesnt hold water for the reason I just listed above. He negotiated a contract based on the role he was supposed to have.

It does hold water because he elected to give his rights to the Niners over these next two years. It's a pickle he put himself in. These were Mostert's choices.

Sure he negotiated a contract based on ST and some RB sprinkled in. He also negotiated a contract that provided Mostert zero protection should his RB production ramp up. His own agent treated it as an afterthought.

This is the contract they wanted.

Also why "should" it be paid as such? This is a business not a charity. Particularly for a limited value position on a team with a HC who can get production out of anybody.

Ok so no. Got it. Carry on sir.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think it's 100% safe to say the only way forward is with him firing his agent.

I don't see the Niners motivation to work with that guy. They already have Mostert locked up.

He undersold his client and is going back to the well to make things right by Mostert. I'm not seeing why the Niners would do business with this guy. Can't trust him.

Just out of curiosity, do you at least understand the other side of the argument? That Mostert's agent negotiated a contract that was in line with the position/role he had on this team...and now that position/role is substantially more important and should be paid as such?

I only ask because to me, the "he already negotiated a contract just last year" argument doesnt hold water for the reason I just listed above. He negotiated a contract based on the role he was supposed to have.

It does hold water because he elected to give his rights to the Niners over these next two years. It's a pickle he put himself in. These were Mostert's choices.

Sure he negotiated a contract based on ST and some RB sprinkled in. He also negotiated a contract that provided Mostert zero protection should his RB production ramp up. His own agent treated it as an afterthought.

This is the contract they wanted.

Also why "should" it be paid as such? This is a business not a charity. Particularly for a limited value position on a team with a HC who can get production out of anybody.

Ok so no. Got it. Carry on sir.

Lol . . . you're a funny guy
He did answer your question and then some. You just had an answer that you'd accept in mind and didn't like what he came back with.

This situation is a little befuddling to me. The Niners are a very generous organization. To a fault. I've always felt that this could lead to problems. Perhaps this is one of those situations. But they must have some reservations about Mostert. Otherwise they would have found a way to get him paid.

I also don't think that it's fair to dump on his agent about the deal he negotiated. Here's a guy whose been cut and bounced around five different teams. Barely hanging on in the league. He gets offered a $3million a year contract . Must have felt like kitting the mother lode. Probably the player himself didn't anticipate that he'd break out as he did. Contingencies that are outside the realm of conjecture, as this must have seemed, aren't usually included in contracts. The agent did fine, given what had been the history with Mostert.

Mostert only performed exceptionally in the playoff games. He did show good signs for a half of the regular season. The sample size is way too small for him to be acting all uppity. Contrast that with the way Kittle is behaving. It's a very bad look. Potential character issues. The fact that they've gone public with it is another black mark. I wouldn't want to build a foundation around a person that uncommitted. Unless the player does a quick and sincere reversal on his position NOW, I feel that the Niners should seriously explore trade options here. It also sends a signal to others that the team won't look favorably on disruption of team chemistry.

The fact that Steve young disapproves of his approach just salts it for me.

^what I should have done is ended my post after the question. By adding a second paragraph with my own opinion, his reply was centered around that rather than answering my question in his own words.